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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Marc.com on August 06, 2010, 11:14:14 pm
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In no special order and apologies for missing heaps and just list for the fun of it/ ;D
Aussie
1. Mick Doohan
2. wayne Gardner
3. Chad Reed
4. Stephen Gall
5. Chad Reed
6. Kevin Magee
7. Anthony Gobert
8. Jeff Liesk
9. Rob Phillis
10. Shane Watts
Kiwi
1. Shayne King
2. Daryl King
3. Ben Townley
4. Ivan Mauger
5. Graeme Crosby
6. Rod Coleman
7. Stephen Merriman
8. Robert Holden
9. Roger Freeth
10. Bert Monroe
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In no special order and apologies for missing heaps and just list for the fun of it/ ;D
Aussie
1. Mick Doohan
2. wayne Gardner
3. Chad Reed
4. Stephen Gall
5. Chad Reed
6. Kevin Magee
7. Anthony Gobert
8. Jeff Liesk
9. Rob Phillis
10. Shane Watts
Kiwi
1. Shayne King
2. Daryl King
3. Ben Townley
4. Ivan Mauger
5. Graeme Crosby
6. Rod Coleman
7. Stephen Merriman
8. Robert Holden
9. Roger Freeth
10. Bert Monroe
Hey Marc, I seem to remember some where(and that is surprising at the moment) Shane king in recent years doing well in Aussie MX. Darryl King doing well in Enduro’s ?
Are they Related?
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One of my best friends was Peter Bay Neigbourg, from Invercargill, NZ.
He is Dead now. He lived in my home with my children. We always had bikes. His favourite was his YZ 465 G(as well as other roadies). We worked together in many jobs, a couple of hotels for a while, on Friday and Saturday nights. He always had me covered. We worked all the time and dreamt we would race all the time.
He used to tell me about Bert Munroe, "BEFORE THE MOVIE", super achiever, a man of total conviction to going fast on motorcycles. “Fastest man about” “done Nz Proud”….I used say “Shiiitt Kiwi”, and he used to arch right up. God he was proud. Old mate Pete “moved on” right before the movie.
Naturally, I love that movie, I hold it close, just like “On any Sunday” and “Naturally Free”.
A Man, that just kept wanting to improve his machine, he had a great adventurer, gave a women a smile, when he was on the way to smoke em all, at the Bonneville salt flats. Well what do you know Pete? You weren’t bullshitting me after all Brother.
Well, carton is all gone now Pete, so I think I will climb in to bed. And pass out while I watching Bert, again, goodnight Mate.
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Hey Marc, I seem to remember some where(and that is surprising at the moment) Shane king in recent years doing well in Aussie MX. Darryl King doing well in Enduro’s ?
Are they Related?
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Darryl is the older brother, can't remember if he's pushing or over 40 yet. Theres a heap of very fast vets riders over here now with either of the 3 king brothers able to run with the young guys. Wasn't Darryl still racing the aussie mx titles a couple of years ago?
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What about Kiwi Chris birch or barry briggs
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In no special order and apologies for missing heaps and just list for the fun of it/ ;D
Aussie
1. Mick Doohan
2. wayne Gardner
3. Chad Reed
4. Stephen Gall
5. Chad Reed
6. Kevin Magee
7. Anthony Gobert
8. Jeff Liesk
9. Rob Phillis
10. Shane Watts
Kiwi
1. Shayne King
2. Daryl King
3. Ben Townley
4. Ivan Mauger
5. Graeme Crosby
6. Rod Coleman
7. Stephen Merriman
8. Robert Holden
9. Roger Freeth
10. Bert Monroe
What, Hugh Anderson couldn't get a gig ? Four GP world titles and 25 Grand Prix wins.....tough room.... ::)
Good to see Chad Reed made it at #3 and #5, he must be REALLY good....
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What about Kim Newcombe? Did he stick it up the Euro's or what? Jerry
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What about Kim Newcombe? Did he stick it up the Euro's or what? Jerry
Beat me to that Jerry, Kim Newcombe deserves a place up there with the greats. Kim and his self tuned(with Rod Tingate's guidance) Koenig beat the MV Augusta's with Ago and Phil Read fair and square. Here's why.
HANS DE WIT'S KOENIG (http://www.youtube.com/user/no1bo1dy#p/a/f/1/J0Zx9goy2f8)
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HANS DE WIT'S KOENIG (http://www.youtube.com/user/no1bo1dy#p/a/f/1/J0Zx9goy2f8)
oh, thank you Lawrence. What a cracker bike, ride and circuit!
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others I can think of Aus; Willing, Handsford, Crumps (both), Stoner, Mladin, Baylis NZ; Avant, Ivan Miller,
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Excuse my ignorance about NZ racers, but on longevity and record alone Ivan Mauger has to be number 1 Kiwi.
Mick Doohan is definitely top Oz, if he hadn't mauled his leg he would have won 7 in a row I reckon.
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I vote for Shane Watts to be moved closer to the top.
Did heaps here but in Amerika he was not appreciated.
By his competition that is. :)
Didn,t they start to get upset with him winning everything he entered ? :)
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Excuse my ignorance about NZ racers, but on longevity and record alone Ivan Mauger has to be number 1 Kiwi.
Mick Doohan is definitely top Oz, if he hadn't mauled his leg he would have won 7 in a row I reckon.
I always thought his name was Ivan Miller. Of course I could be mistaken again(obviously same bloke Curly) Probably.
The chap I am thinking of used to ride a 400 husky cross(early 70’s), that left everyone behind, as he was in a class of his own, full stop. In those days I think they used 3 foot thick trees trunks to plot out a course. And he could dance the arse or the rear end of a husky on the back wheel through them. Yes he should be moved up to #1, he was so far ahead of the rest of the band, he couldn’t hear the music.
But don't forget, they made a movie about Bert and he pulled a root on the way.
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Mauger was multiple world speedway champ......Miller was a top MXer in Aussie and NZ.
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Mauger was multiple world speedway champ......Miller was a top MXer in Aussie and NZ.
Thanks for that Davey Crocket. I am definitely an Ivan Miller admirer. Mind boggling.
Did he do well at trials as well?
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Mauger was multiple world speedway champ......Miller was a top MXer in Aussie and NZ.
Both are legends.. I think Miller also had some success in England.
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Excuse my ignorance about NZ racers, but on longevity and record alone Ivan Mauger has to be number 1 Kiwi.
Mick Doohan is definitely top Oz, if he hadn't mauled his leg he would have won 7 in a row I reckon.
Definitely Mick Doohan for me too Curly. I think I would have them all on VHS. He dragged me into the scene, with his fearless determination, I couldn't miss a race(TV).
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Burt nearly pulled 2 in the movie, but 1 had goolies.
Drivin Ivan Mauger actually was a 10 time World Champ, he won 6 Speedway & 4 Longtrack titles, there may be more. Maugers career spanned 4 decades.
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Burt nearly pulled 2 in the movie, but 1 had goolies.
Drivin Ivan Mauger actually was a 10 time World Champ, he won 6 Speedway & 4 Longtrack titles, there may be more. Maugers career spanned 4 decades.
Yeah that's right, you are right about Burt :D :D ;D ;D
Ivan Maugers achievement, Wow.
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Mick, this is a bit of a run down on Ivan Mauger's speedway career.
Titles
* World Champion: 1968,1969,1970,1972,1977,1979 - R/Up 1971,1973,1974[1]
* New Zealand Sportsperson of the Year ( Halberg Award ) 1977 and 1979.
* World 1000m Longtrack Champion 1971,1972,1976 R/Up 1974,1975
* World Pairs Champion 1969,1970 R/Up 1971,1972,1978,1981
* World Team Speedway Champion 1968,1971,1972,1979
* European Champion 1966,1970,1971,1975
* British Champion 1968,1970,1971,1972
* Intercontinental Champion 1975
* New Zealand Champion 1974, 1981
* Australasian Champion 1977, 1981
* British-Nordic Champion 1968, 1971
* British League Riders Champion 1971, 1973
* Embassy Internationale Winner 1970, 1971, 1972
* Northern Riders Champion 1964, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1972, 1980
* Provincial League Riders Champion 1963, 1964
* Lubos Tomicek Memorial Trophy Winner 1971, 1972, 1973, 1979
* Silver Sash Match Race Champion 1968, 1969
* Golden Helmet Match Race Champion 1970
* Scottish Open Champion 1970
* Scotianapolis Winner 1969, 1970
* Leningrad Cup (USSR) Winner 1969
* Lokeren Memorial Trophy Winner 1970
* Golden Key of Bremen 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975
* Australian Long Track Champion 1962
* Victorian Champion 1962, 1963
* Yorkshire Television Trophy 1979, 1980
* Lada Indoor International 1979
Guinness Book of Records
* Most Individual Championship Wins 9 (6 Speedway / 3 Longtrack),
* First Person to Win World Speedway and Longtrack in same year,
* Only Person to Win 3 Individual World Titles in succession,
* Most Individual World Speedway Wins 6 (Joint with Tony Rickardsson)
* Most World Final Championship Finals 52,
* First Person to Win World Speedway, World Longtrack, World Pairs, and World Team Cup, Championships (Achieved 1971 with World Longtrack win)
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Geez....he was a busy boy....use to watch him in NZ in the 70's when he came home for a well deserved break.
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I rest my case.
Thanks Stan, I'd even put him up for Worlds best.
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Mick, this is a bit of a run down on Ivan Mauger's speedway career.
Titles
* World Champion: 1968,1969,1970,1972,1977,1979 - R/Up 1971,1973,1974[1]
* New Zealand Sportsperson of the Year ( Halberg Award ) 1977 and 1979.
* World 1000m Longtrack Champion 1971,1972,1976 R/Up 1974,1975
* World Pairs Champion 1969,1970 R/Up 1971,1972,1978,1981
* World Team Speedway Champion 1968,1971,1972,1979
* European Champion 1966,1970,1971,1975
* British Champion 1968,1970,1971,1972
* Intercontinental Champion 1975
* New Zealand Champion 1974, 1981
* Australasian Champion 1977, 1981
* British-Nordic Champion 1968, 1971
* British League Riders Champion 1971, 1973
* Embassy Internationale Winner 1970, 1971, 1972
* Northern Riders Champion 1964, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1972, 1980
* Provincial League Riders Champion 1963, 1964
* Lubos Tomicek Memorial Trophy Winner 1971, 1972, 1973, 1979
* Silver Sash Match Race Champion 1968, 1969
* Golden Helmet Match Race Champion 1970
* Scottish Open Champion 1970
* Scotianapolis Winner 1969, 1970
* Leningrad Cup (USSR) Winner 1969
* Lokeren Memorial Trophy Winner 1970
* Golden Key of Bremen 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975
* Australian Long Track Champion 1962
* Victorian Champion 1962, 1963
* Yorkshire Television Trophy 1979, 1980
* Lada Indoor International 1979
Guinness Book of Records
* Most Individual Championship Wins 9 (6 Speedway / 3 Longtrack),
* First Person to Win World Speedway and Longtrack in same year,
* Only Person to Win 3 Individual World Titles in succession,
* Most Individual World Speedway Wins 6 (Joint with Tony Rickardsson)
* Most World Final Championship Finals 52,
* First Person to Win World Speedway, World Longtrack, World Pairs, and World Team Cup, Championships (Achieved 1971 with World Longtrack win)
Wow, thanks Stan S. I am with Curlys last post, beat That. Frickin amazing.
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I might cop some flak here, but in my opinion, Mick Doohan is indeed one of the greats but there wasn't a lot of competition in his era.
He came into his own when Rainey, Schwantz etc retired. He was definitely their equal, but had they been around a little longer, I don't believe he would have won as many titles as he did.
I'm more impressed by guys like Wayne Gardner for example and how they made their way to the top. Spending months living out of a van and even riding their bikes to the track just to make it to the races!
I know that's like saying Ago would have kicked Rossi's butt and maybe just a worthless observation............... ::)
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I might cop some flak here, but in my opinion, Mick Doohan is indeed one of the greats but there wasn't a lot of competition in his era.
Your kiddin aren’t ya. Five world championships. Anyhow I am not going to stay and argue. I am out of here.;D
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I might cop some flak here, but in my opinion, Mick Doohan is indeed one of the greats but there wasn't a lot of competition in his era.
Mick just convinced everyone else they were riding for second place
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I might cop some flak here, but in my opinion, Mick Doohan is indeed one of the greats but there wasn't a lot of competition in his era.
He came into his own when Rainey, Schwantz etc retired. He was definitely their equal, but had they been around a little longer, I don't believe he would have won as many titles as he did.
I'm more impressed by guys like Wayne Gardner for example and how they made their way to the top. Spending months living out of a van and even riding their bikes to the track just to make it to the races!
I know that's like saying Ago would have kicked Rossi's butt and maybe just a worthless observation............... ::)
If you remember back to '92 Mick was kicking everyones butt including Rainey and Schwantz and had a huge lead in the championship when he broke his leg. He missed several races and came back on crutches to ride the last race and only just missed out on the title.
He was beating the best before they retired and to go on and win 5 titles with a leg like his is a remarkable achievement.
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Mick just convinced everyone else they were riding for second place
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Too true Doohan was the Rossi of his day, completely dominant and tough as nails. remember Mick did it without traction control and anti wheelie.
Hugh Anderson was probably my ommission but he comes from or on the back of an Era of Surtees, Reed, Hailwood, etc who probably in the front of my brain/
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OK GLOVES OFF, best NZ rider, best Aussie:
1. As mentioned Hugh Anderson and Ivan Mauger would get it off world titles and longevity.
2. No brainer Doohan, Michael .... totally dominated, fist full of world champs, could ride through injury, wasn't a wanker and you can't really debate he was the best from down under.
Best rider on ever, I am not buying that it was Hailwood or Ago, Valentino Rossi, won and and keeps on winning without Agos equipment advantage.
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Best NZ rider.....Ivan Mauger. Pity he's such a prick.
Best Aussie .....Mick Doohan. Nice bloke to boot.
Best rider ever...I'll go with Vale Rossi....funny little bugger.
My Favourite....Randy Mamola.....almost but not quite.
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Clarification I am only voting for the best MX rider; tarmac scratching and dirt tracking (no not the type done in Paddington) is not of interest to me but if it was, I would say Aaron Slight and Mick Doohan.
MX racers:
Best Kiwi:Darryl King an absolute motocross legend and good fella.
Best Ocker:Who cares..just kidding umm err hang on maybe..oh well Jeff Leisk it is!! ;)
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Best Ocker:Who cares..just kidding umm err hang on maybe..oh well Jeff Leisk it is!! ;)
Jeff Who ??, holy hair gel cmon Chad Reed, has actually won the toughest MX and SX series on earth.
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Sorry Marc,'The Chad' doesnt deserve to clean Jeff Leisks boots.
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Sorry Marc,'The Chad' doesnt deserve to clean Jeff Leisks boots.
Ha ha.. I'm a Leisky fan too. Will be awesome to see him back in action at Farleigh in Sept.
Darryl King is a good choice for the kiwis..he's been at the top for a couple of decades.
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Ha ha.. I'm a Leisky fan too. Will be awesome to see him back in action at Farleigh in Sept.
Darryl King is a good choice for the kiwis..he's been at the top for a couple of decades.
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Darryl and Shane are just the tip of the King family MX iceberg with still fast older brothers and up coming nephews that are also horror fast. Something in the Taranaki water has produced more than an occasional world champ and Australian champ. ;D
I like Liesky but he looses out based on he never won in the AMA and Chad did, given how effortlessly even the second best US riders win the MXdN its not hard to see where the real competition is.
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Yeah Marc I reckon you shared a few spliffs with Geoff King,come on admit it.
Sorry I cant agree with you,Leisky is the man,especially with such a character of a brother; 'Red dog".
'The Chad' is a pimply faced girls blouse compared to Leisky,even though I respect what he has done.Leisky is from the era of real men who tamed the evil two stroke open bikes.
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I like Leisky because he did it in a tough era against real men on real bikes.
Chad's turned gay since he went to the US with his pox accent and ear rings, there has been no depth in the US for years with RC and Stewart doing it effortlessly against a field of prima-donna's.
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I like Leisky because he did it in a tough era against real men on real bikes.
Chad's turned gay since he went to the US with his pox accent and ear rings, there has been no depth in the US for years with RC and Stewart doing it effortlessly against a field of prima-donna's.
Come on Johnny, don't hold back. Tell us what you really think? :D
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If you remember back to '92 Mick was kicking everyones butt including Rainey and Schwantz and had a huge lead in the championship when he broke his leg. He missed several races and came back on crutches to ride the last race and only just missed out on the title.
He was beating the best before they retired and to go on and win 5 titles with a leg like his is a remarkable achievement.
Fair enough, I guess I just saw things a little differently back then. :D
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I like Leisky because he did it in a tough era against real men on real bikes.
Chad's turned gay since he went to the US with his pox accent and ear rings, there has been no depth in the US for years with RC and Stewart doing it effortlessly against a field of prima-donna's.
That's funny. ;D The last time I mentioned Chad's 'Pox' accent on this forum I copped it from all quarters. I've been too scared to bring it up again. :-X
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Here, here John ;D
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What about THE CROZ for NZ Hero.
Wheelstanding from corner to corner down the hill at Bathurst and waving to the crowd will do it for me every time.
Guy had pineapples the size of pineapples and a wicked sense of humor too. :)
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I like what Chad has achieved but just not into his image.
Leisky retired a few years too early or he surely would've come home with a World 500 MX Title.
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That's funny. ;D The last time I mentioned Chad's 'Pox' accent on this forum I copped it from all quarters. I've been too scared to bring it up again. :-X
He was only there a week and he had it ::). The lights are on but no-one's home.....
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Sorry I cant agree with you,Leisky is the man,especially with such a character of a brother; 'Red dog".
Red Dog is a fat sweaty bastard with a disturbingly good sense of balance when it comes to wheelieing an MX bike at walking speed.
Regard Chads pox accent and dress sense, its exposure to the Yanks, Jeff came back with a forked up American Accent and poncing about in corduory jackets and paisley shirts like Jeff Emig.
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I saw Ivan miller in action at Wollongong track [Kembla] about '70, NOBODY had seen such fantastic leaps through the air 'till then. I have a shot of him doing his thing there on a colour slide, one day I'll get that one and some other pix on here. cheers pancho.
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I saw Ivan miller in action at Wollongong track [Kembla] about '70, NOBODY had seen such fantastic leaps through the air
I saw him quite a few times as used to flag marshal as a 12 year old at the Whakatane club. Miller was world class without a world title.
How about a Neville Coombes / Leisky show down at Fairlie Castle, now that would be cool. Nev can show a few ex world champs the way round so I wouldn't back Liesky.
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Who is Neville Coombes? I think Leisky will have bigger fish to race against such as Dave Thorpe and Eric Geboers
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Who is Neville Coombes? I think Leisky will have bigger fish to race against such as Dave Thorpe and Eric Geboers
Oh Nev is little known NZ hard man who has shut down Mathia and a few exGP stars along the way we have the video footage to prove it/
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Yes Nev is a great racer Marc,but admit it 'The Chad' is a bottom bandit compared to Red Dogs younger bro.
PS Robert Holden is the next best Kiwi road racer.
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the best kiwi is the 1 that dosent rib us australians about the all blacks.
let me see there isnt any thay all do.but some of them can sure ride bikes wll and also build them
my fav is john britten god rest his soul
jim
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poncing about in corduory jackets and paisley shirts
What's wrong with corduory jackets and paisley shirts?
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Yes Nev is a great racer Marc,but admit it 'The Chad' is a bottom bandit compared to Red Dogs younger bro.
PS Robert Holden is the next best Kiwi road racer.
Tell you man Chad has just been tainted by the yanks and will come to his senses when he is back to OZ full time. The problem with Chad back in Aussie racing SX is nobody can come close to winning, so by promoting the series he gets to make a profit and win his prize money back.
So I vote him the smartest rider in Aussie.
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Smart yes,gay accent; yes.
I concur re corduory jackets and paisley shirts.I bet you have a few in your wardrobe Marc, along with those safari suits and leather chaps! ;)
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I was prepared to sit back and watch this thread evolve into a Chad Slam without getting too involved but you've gone and got me riled Marc >:(.....How dare you denigrate those of us who are proud enough to display our corduroy and paisley penchant in public? Whenever I'm wearing my burnt sienna Ralph Lauren corduroys and House of Merivale vintage paisley button down I morph from Westy dork into the complete urban metrosexual package, ready to take on life's challenges. ;D
I reckon Chad made a conscious decision to adopt the American accent at the end of his first day of being asked to repeat himself. The spin doctors behind his career would have surmised that he'd need to be understood by the public to be accepted. It wouldn't have been so bad if he'd have been articulate and understood how to adapt the Aussie accent to make it understandable to Americans. Unfortunately the mumbled Kurri, country boy twang went over most listeners heads. Listen to Aussies who have lived in in the USA for years like Olivia Newton-John, Hugh Jackman, basketballer Andrew Bogut, Phil Noyce the movie director and many more and you'll notice that they've learned to seperate each word, slow down and pronounce each word precisely....all without losing the basic Aussie accent. Listen to Errol Flynn in his old movies and you'll get a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
I lived there for seven years and after learning the tricks rarely had any problem being understood without having to adopt a bullshit American accent. Whenever I got together with fellow Aussies however we would automatically slip straight back into Aussie 'oldspeak' and any Americans in the conversation would be totally lost. I reckon that if Chad had been guided correctly early in his stay there he'd have been fully understandable without the pseudo American accent. Robbie Madison and Mat Mladin are also good examples of Aussies who have largely kept their accents.
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I morph from Westy dork into the complete urban metrosexual package, ready to take on life's challenges. ;D
Yeah they used to have another name for Metrosexual out West in the old days. ;D
You can't blame Chad for wanting to fit in to his environment, its all tatoos, limos, sex adictions and bling bling. Tiger Woods probably is a bigger icon and better known to young riders than Roger Decoster.
I blame Jeremy McGrath, his goateeness spawned the next generation of Xtreme MX stars.
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What about Kiwi Chris birch
CONGRADULATIONS on Chris placing 8th in the Erzberg Event on the old mining dumps ..whoooo one hard race,,2-5 hours of body&bike bashing :P
Results – XVII Erzberg Rodeo Hare Scramble
1. Tadeusz Blazusiak (POL/KTM);
2. Dougie Lampkin (GBR/Gas Gas);
3. Jonny Walker (GBR/KTM);
4. Ben Hemingway (GBR/KTM);
5. Xavi Galindo (ESP/Husaberg);
6. Dan Hemingway (GBR/KTM);
7. Taichi Tanaka (JPN/KTM);
8. Chris Birch (NZL/KTM);
9. Lars Enöckl (AUT/KTM)
fullnoise.com
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CONGRADULATIONS on Chris placing 8th in the Erzberg Event on the old mining dumps ..whoooo one hard race,,2-5 hours of body&bike bashing :P
Regarded as one of the ugliest events in the world. I figure Chris will follow Whibley into the GNCC series, both of them are world class.
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I figure Chris will follow Whibley into the GNCC series, both of them are world class.
I reckon Chris will go anywhere he can get a ride. He's racing in South Africa this year (and what a fuggin' bunfight that was last week). But I reckon Chris would prefer europe to the US.
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Results – XVII Erzberg Rodeo Hare Scramble
1. Tadeusz Blazusiak (POL/KTM);
2. Dougie Lampkin (GBR/Gas Gas);
3. Jonny Walker (GBR/KTM);
4. Ben Hemingway (GBR/KTM);
5. Xavi Galindo (ESP/Husaberg);
6. Dan Hemingway (GBR/KTM);
7. Taichi Tanaka (JPN/KTM);
8. Chris Birch (NZL/KTM);
9. Lars Enöckl (AUT/KTM)
Three cousins in there.
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Results – XVII Erzberg Rodeo Hare Scramble
1. Tadeusz Blazusiak (POL/KTM);
2. Dougie Lampkin (GBR/Gas Gas);
3. Jonny Walker (GBR/KTM);
4. Ben Hemingway (GBR/KTM);
5. Xavi Galindo (ESP/Husaberg);
6. Dan Hemingway (GBR/KTM);
7. Taichi Tanaka (JPN/KTM);
8. Chris Birch (NZL/KTM);
9. Lars Enöckl (AUT/KTM)
Three cousins in there.
What you mean Chris Birch and Taichi Tanaka are cousins ???
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;D
Dougie and the Hemingway bros are cousins.
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Yeah Marc I reckon you shared a few spliffs with Geoff King,come on admit it.
.... but I guess you could say their old man Ash sired more World MX Champions than anyone else, they should have put him out to stud, I mean look at Vale and Stefan Everts, clearly the ability to win world championships is genetic.
Imagine what the Aussies could come up with in the next generation if Chad was interested in girls/ ::)