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Clubroom => Trail & Track => Topic started by: Ji Gantor on June 28, 2010, 09:08:51 am
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Over the week end we went to the Dalbymoto Linville Trail ride.
Only 1.5 hours from Brisbane.
The trip out, towing the bikes, saw us travelling along the Brisbane river 200 meters above sea level.
Fantastic scenery.
We arrived, was allocated a camp site and started erecting the tent.
Camp set up, it was time to sign in.
During sign in we saw the first breaking of the rules.
Rule number 1 all nominations have to be prior to the event, there will be no paying on the day.
Heaps of guys were paying on the day.
Rule number 2 everyone must attend riders briefing, on Saturday there would have only been one hundred riders may be out of a possible 250.
If the organisers break their own rules it is as weak as second hand water !
Who is going to have respect for their rules when the organisers break them from the get go.
My son and I front up to the Novice track entrance to find no one there.
We proceed and find the first trail arrows pointing down right through a camp site of 5 or 6 tents. Confused we sat there until some sweep riders turned up. When asked where is the track they told us that they did not know. I showed them the arrows pointing to the tents. They decided to get on the radio and find someone that knew. I suggested that I would go down around the tents and see if the track was down there, bingo it sure was.
Rule number 3 no open riders on the novice track unless they were with their child. My son and I did 4 or 5 laps before we saw the first open riders blasting around. We left the track.
That afternoon a mid twenty year old male rider finishing the open track decided to show off by performing a high speed wheel stand into camp. It went wrong and he speared off into a 4 strand barbed wire fence. He hit a timber post and cartwheeled for a while until coming to rest.
He broke his wrist, ankle and his spine. An airlift was organised to take him to hospital. Rule number 4, 5 kilometers per hour through the pits.
Had this fellow speared off to the left instead of the right he would have hit campers making even more injuries. That post was only 3 meters from a row of tents.
Ji
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The timber fence post he hit was solid.
The Honda enduro bike he was riding was pretty smashed up.
Ji
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I heard the cost from the QVMX pres once that the toilets for an event was $2000.00 and the Ambos $2000.00.
I have no idea how much an airlift would cost.
Ji
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That night we all settled down with a nice meal a hot shower and a warm bed.
But at around 10.00pm a drunken fool rode past our tent and smashed into a 4 strand barbed wire fence.
This fellow was going fast enough to break all four strands.
Rule number 5 no riding bikes after 6.00pm and MA rule that states riding can only be done by those with a 0% blood alchol content.
Ji
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We woke up on Sunday morning got changed, fueled our bikes and went to riders briefing.
We then jumped onto our bikes and rode off to the novice track.
Again there was no one on the gate.
We did two laps before heaps of open riders blasted by us, showering all with large rocks and dust.
They carved up the track and made it unridable for novices.
We decided to do one last lap and go but on our last lap an open rider blasted by my son on the first hill climb punting him off the track into the rocks. He hit is head onto a rock carving a big chip into his helmet, his knee banged another rock and yet another rock crushed his radiator.
We returned to camp and saw the ambos for the first time.
I went off to complain.
They then had someone placed on the gate kicking the open riders off.
A bit to late.
We left saying we would never return.
Ji
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My God, the more I read the worse it got! Glad you and your son got out of there in one piece!
You would think that an 'organised' trail ride would be a bit better, well, organised...
Tex
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In my opinion there are only a few people that can organise and run an event.
One of them is Worms.
I hope they get someone like Worms or trail riding will be banded.
Ji
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Hi Tex,
Yes we feel the same.
There were a few other families like us that we spoke to and they all said the same thing as us.
Most of them packed up Sunday morning before the ride started.
They were the smart ones.
Ji
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I wanted to discuss rules before CD7 and lots told me to go away and even asked if I was a public servant because I loved rules so much. Well chaps this is why we have rules to stop this kind of stuff. But rules are nothing if they are not enforced.
I know this is not VMX but I saw quite a few fellows at this shindig that were at CD7.
There were IT's (one was a member of the IT club), Pre 85 YZ's and Pre 75 YZ's and that is what I saw, most of the time my son and I were riding.
Ji
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I had my helmet camera working on Sunday and captured a heap of the open riders wheelstanding up one of the hill climbs past kids strugling up the hill.
I will post the Youtube shortcut here soon.
Ji
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Aw Ji thats a pity. The ones I,ve been to aren,t too bad .
Looks like a nice place to ride. :)
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Hi Mike,
This is the first time they have held this event at this location.
It was organised by experianced trail riding clubs that should have got it right.
After my son was first aided, I sat on the return path waiting for the fellow for some time.
The loop Sunday was 50 kilometers long so I gave up and went.
I can tell you they would have needed the cops to pull me off him, that is how mad I was.
But on the drive home I remembered what Peter Bell told us at CD7 "Don't take matters into your own hands let me deal with it"
Ji
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Not a good weekend Ji, :(
Doesn't matter where you go,Life is like a box of chocolates always a bad one in there-probably marzipan ;D ;D
cheers Alison
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Marzipan's all right, Ginger is the one to watch out for. Who the hell wants to put chocolate on a vegetable?
Sorry to hear about your boy. Glad it was nothing too serious.
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If life is like a box of chockies it sounds like all of the Fruit & Nuts went to Linville.
Jeez Ji, I know exactly where you are coming from and as long as there are young fellas on bikes it will happen. I just wish the 'organisers' would do just that-organise!!
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Organized a few Enduro,s and pony expresses in my day and never found a way around the "Halfwit Factor".
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That sounds like the Event From Hell :(.
It wasn't one wrong but multiple wrongs compounding. And I think you are right Ji, the organisers (apparently using the word very loosely :P), didn't do themselves any favours by being lax.
I don't think an organiser has to be rude and regimented but they have to enforce rules - and they have to have enough responsible manpower to do just that. It's amazing how things spiral up or spiral down according to the leadership of the organisers.
I hope the matter is brought to the attention of MA Qld - if it was an MA event or not. These types of events are damaging to motorcycling sport. Sometimes idiot have to be protected against themselves. The idiots here are both the drunk etc riders and the organisers.
I hope you and your son are 'doing okay' 8). You are doing the right thing, pursue the matter through and make sure the club and the MA know of your experience and the flaws of the event.
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Hi Mike,
Yes there are plenty around.
The property was fantastic.
This could have been one of the best rides ever.
Ji
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Hi MX,
We went to the Kingaroy trail ride a few weeks earlier which was run by the same crew and it was the best.
Hot showers, plenty of toilets, well organised.
Even down to entering the trails, you had to pass through a cattle gate where a fellow marked down your number, when you returned he then took you off the list of riders on the track.
I informed MQ on Monday as soon as possible about what happened at Linville but to date have had no reply.
Ji
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What a horror trip. You were totally right to be pissed off. That explains why you came on all stroppy on the Ti thread on Monday morning. ;). I'm glad your lad wasn't badly hurt mate.
There's no accounting for the dickhead factor and unfortunately a table full of rulebooks ain't going to mean a thing to a piss and testosterone loaded 20 year old on a dirtbike. Because of the high entry numbers and the non competitive style of these events, the wanker quota will always be a appreciably higher than at a 'proper' race meet. I've been to a number of these organised trail rides over the years but eventually gave them away after some organisers continually failed to address the bad behaviour. I remember Sydney's Oyster Bay club running some very well organised trail rides at Upper Colo and Sunny Corner used to be fun before it became too big. It's no fun waiting for half an hour at the bottom of a gnarly hill for the bottleneck to clear. Maybe the use by date is up for these type of events, ruined by their own popularity?
I wanted to discuss rules before CD7 and lots told me to go away and even asked if I was a public servant because I loved rules so much. Well chaps this is why we have rules to stop this kind of stuff. But rules are nothing if they are not enforced
I kind of understand where you were coming from Ji but you copped a load because of the way you kicked your discussion off...."no open toed shoes", "generators off by 10pm" and other 'school monitor" style stuff. By the tone of your initial post it seemed that you envisioned that Conondale was about to be engulfed into a sea of drunken debauchery and that your family was in danger of being kidnapped by Bultaco riding crack addicts and sold to the Gold Coast Russian Mafia slave traders. In reality 99% of the participants behaved themselves admirably with not a sign of the evil you you were trying to prevent.
My dad was an old school arse kicking cop who hated rules and rulemakers.
His favourite saying was that "sensible people act sensibly and don't need to be told how to behave". After attending all seven Classic Dirts and never seeing any offensive behaviour at all, you grossly underestimated the "sensibility" of the vintage movement. That's why everyone arc'd up, we didn't need anyone telling us how to behave.
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Hi MX,
I informed MQ on Monday as soon as possible about what happened at Linville but to date have had no reply.
Ji
Good for you Ji
I still kick myself to this day for not reporting a level 3 official for so real bad things said at a riders brief/meeting a few years back.Then I wonder if I would of had back up from others.? I know Steven would have,we have more knowledge now, so are more wise to reporting incidents etc.
Other group members where horrified and still haven't returned to that venue.Be a long time till we do. :(
Hopefully the perpetrator gets his back one day.I believe in Karma ;D
Also hope something comes out of your reported incident in the end.
Some chocolates just needs melting down all together ;) ;D
cheers Alison
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Thanks for that firko it really helps.
I hope your surgery goes well.
Tell them not to cut off your foot we all want to see you back on the track.
I hope you are keeping your stress levels down as heart attack is the biggest killer after surgery.
Just keep thinking happy thoughts.
They say the mind remembers everything while out to it on the cutting table. You know all that hacking with the knife and sawing with the bone saw.
Just think the day after your surgery the phisio guy will have you up and walking bending that old foot back and forward.
Just keep remebering its for your own good while the pain swells.
You should be off the morphine before you know it.
Ji
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Thats a real shame.
That type of unorganised event is what drives the families away from future events .
Having said that , if you have a chance come to our Rockley event, we will show you a well organised event.
We have a couple of 6'3'' secret weapons that stop that kind of rubbish from ocurring. (they are not fun police , just people making sure everyone has a fun time).
A safe event is a fun event
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Thanks Alison,
Yes I too believe in Karma.
I am sure some people will get what they got coming to them.
Ji
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Hi Shoey,
I would love to attend your event.
Where is it?
We did have some great father and son time while riding the trail, it is just the bits inbetween that put a bad taste in my mouth.
Keep well mate
Ji
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…Tell them not to cut off your foot we all want to see you back on the track.
I hope you are keeping your stress levels down as heart attack is the biggest killer after surgery.
Just keep thinking happy thoughts.
They say the mind remembers everything while out to it on the cutting table. You know all that hacking with the knife and sawing with the bone saw.
Just think the day after your surgery the phisio guy will have you up and walking bending that old foot back and forward.
Just keep remebering its for your own good while the pain swells.
You should be off the morphine before you know it.
Ji
Well that should help to quell any anxiety that Firko was feeling :D
P.S. hopefully the the 'physio guy' will be a young well built young lady - you never know your luck
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Big tuff guy like him will probably tell them that he does not want any pain killers post surgery. Good for him.
The problem will be sleeping, your foot always gets in a funny position and boy does that hurt. He will most likely not get much sleep for the pain. Every day he will have to put his foot up so the fluids can drain out of his swallon foot.
How painfull.
But he is a tough guy so I am sure he will pull through.
Post surgery depression can be a problem too. This can lead to all sorts of metal problems which can only be solved by Electro Shock Therapy.
I hear its pretty good now.
Well lets just hope that NSW hospitals can kick a goal better than the NSW State of Origin Footballers can.
Ji
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enough Ji --Firko will be alright and I'm eating my breakfast :P :D
Alison
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Sorry Alison,
I just wanted to make sure he was not feeling stressed because he will be in good hands.
Ji
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Sorry Alison,
I just wanted to make sure he was not feeling stressed because he will be in good hands.
Ji
I think he's already on the trolley going down to the OR ;) ;D
Have a good day yourself 8)
cheers Alison
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Thanks Alison,
I will be thinking of hoppy and looking forward to reading his words back on the forum soon.
If MQ does not respond by end of week about the trail ride I will be contacting MA.
Ji
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Thanks for that firko it really helps.
I hope your surgery goes well.
Tell them not to cut off your foot we all want to see you back on the track.
I hope you are keeping your stress levels down as heart attack is the biggest killer after surgery.
Just keep thinking happy thoughts.
They say the mind remembers everything while out to it on the cutting table. You know all that hacking with the knife and sawing with the bone saw.
Just think the day after your surgery the phisio guy will have you up and walking bending that old foot back and forward.
Just keep remebering its for your own good while the pain swells.
You should be off the morphine before you know it. Ji
Jeez Ji, you sure know a bit about pre op psychology! Unfortunately, bending my old foot back and forth is just the thing the operation is going to prevent. I'm having the ankle fused into the one, solid position*. No more tap dancing, tightrope walking and sadly, my plan to accompany Shoey on his next Everest climb might have to be cancelled as well. Sorry Rob, I know the team was depending on me. :'(
*Tomorrows little op is the first of three planned. This one is to clear some of the floaties out of there and to stick the camera in there to see what is the better option for operations 2&3. The surgeon is apparently one of very few in the world that does ankle replacements so there's still a (very) slim chance of a replacement rather than a total fusion.
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I'm having the ankle fused into the one, solid position.
Just make sure your surgeon doesn't have a weird sense of humour. You wouldn't want to wake up and find that you have to walk on tippie toes for all time… ;)
And Ji,
I think a "Psychology for dummies" thread should be in your future plans. :D
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That sounds great.
I heard a statistic during the gun buy back which has always stuck.
In that year there was 13 firearm related deaths.
No wonder they took the guns off everyone.
In the same year 50 people died from mistakes in our hospitals.
But again don't worry Petal (Doctor Death) is locked up and there couldn't be two of them.
The big thing about surgery is not to have a raised blood pressure, very bad for you. Clots are no good either, they can travel to the brain and cause strokes.
Any way good luck I am sure you don't need it.
Ji
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I was thinking about Knee and Ankle Surgery for Dummies.
I have already purchased the meat and the bone saw.
The bone saw is S/S
Ji
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Mark
Good luck with the operation , You will be right mate.
Go in positive ;D, come out well and repaired ;D.
I will ask the climbing team to take you off the permit.
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Hi Shoey,
I have done some mountain climbing in the Southern Alps of NZ.
Everest cost about $100k US per person, oh well it use too.
How many of you are going?
Ji
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I`ve got this gut feeling that Ji is actually a surgeon, just think about it he knows a lot about Ti and post operation complications.
If i was you Firko i would be worried, i reckon if Ji does your operation you will be coming home with 2 left feet just to piss you off. :)
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Good luck with surgery Firko mine went good hope yours is the same............
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Ha :) Ha :) Ha :) Funniest thing I have ever read. Next time I have a prang gotta ring Ji.
Cheer me up no end. ;)
Got a mate who woke up with his foot on sideways. Doctor said that he was a fool
and that there was no problem. This happened at Bundaberg. :o
Went to another doctor in Bris who rebroke his knee and put it on straight. :)
Knee knackered but foot points where it,s supposed to now. :)
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Hi Mike,
Glad you liked it.
Surgery can be interesting.
Swallon nuts
Ji