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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: mx250 on May 14, 2010, 05:30:48 pm
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Whatcha reckon ;D......
A bit Maico'ish, whatcha reckon Paul?
(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/OzVMX/mysterybike.jpg)
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Ancillotti ?
it does look like hybrid though.
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CZ engined Husky?
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Ancillotti ?
it does look like hybrid though.
No not Ancillotti.
The cases look Montesa'ish - right side c/sprocket and a long distance from counter sprocket to s/arm pivot.
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Monty or Jawa?
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CZ engined Husky?
There is such an animal but this ain't it :D.
http://amsracing.com/item.php?id=516
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Whatcha reckon ;D......
A bit Maico'ish, whatcha reckon Paul?
(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/OzVMX/mysterybike.jpg)
Its a Jones AMEX
#8
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# 8 beat me to it.. it is an Ammex built by Gary Jones company in the late 70's.
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Ya spelt it incorrectly ;D.
Yeah a AMMEX 250, take a bow 8
http://www.earlyyearsofmx.com/AMMEX.html
AMMEX 250cc MX (1976)
Gary Jones won four consecutive 250 National championships while racing for Yamaha, Honda, and Can-Am. When he suffered a leg injury at Daytona and Can-Am bought out his contract, Gary took the $70,000 and started his own motorcycle company. Not an easy task, but at the time, Cooper Motorcycles was going out of business, and the Jones family bought the Mexican based company and used the Frank Cooper designed enduro bike as a prototype for the first Jones-Islo (the name would later be changed to Ammex, which stood for American-Mexican).
Under Mexican law, 68 percent of the Ammex had to be manufactured in Mexico, so the pieces that would be out-sourced included Sun rims, Diamond chain, Mikuni carbs and ART pistons. To ensure that the Mexicans didn’t use pot metal in the castings and frame, Jones shipped American-made chromoly and aluminum to the Saltillo, Mexica, Moto-Islo factory. The Mexican metallurgy was always suspect, especially in the crankshaft and transmission.
The Ammex borrowed its plate-style shift system from Maico, the dual-use kickstarter/shift shaft from CZ and a Yamaha YZ250 top-end could be slipped right onto the Ammex cases.
Ammex had high hopes, but unfortunately the Mexican peso was devalued-dropping from 12 pesos to the dollar to 120 pesos in less that a week. Since Ammex was a Mexican company, it was worth one-tenth of what it was the week before. Gary Jones lost his money and his dream of building his own motorcycle. Productions dribbled on a few years, but after the devaluation in 1976, the company was doomed.
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Very interesting, thanks for the history lesson.
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Is Jonesy aware of these?
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Is Jonesy aware of these?
I guessing he would be he lost a heap of doe trying to get them to the market
#8
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His father still had a few brand new ones in crates. More desirable now than they ever were.
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Ssshhh....aparently the financiers were hunting high and low for them. Don't drop Gary in it now!
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Is Jonesy aware of these?
There was a rough, incomplete one in a ute at Broadford earlier this year. I saw Gary Jones sitting on it, talking to a bloke that I assumed was the owner - it was a conversation that I'd love to eaves-drop on, but not even I'm that rude...
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where they any good as a race bike.
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nope i did n,t know that bike :o
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Jonesy (Alan) and I asked Gary Jones what he thought of the Ammex and he reckoned they were a great bike that with more development (time and money) could have been a contender. He reckoned quality control was a concern but it was getting better. When the Peso was floated and subsequently took a dump, Gary reckoned there were some good engineers in Mexico that were capable of producing anything as good as Europe. Floating the Peso buggered any hope of that however.
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Here's another:
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u194/TooFastTim/croppedMXIIbike.jpg)
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Is that an Aspes?
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Nope.
Hint. They didn't last very long in spite of being very successful at almost the highest level in the sport.
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Is it a Puch???
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SWM ?
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Sachs 250 or 125. or a simonni
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KTM
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Hercules
#8
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I'm with #8, Hercules/Sachs 250. Also sold in England as an EMC2 or something simillar
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Hercules
Yeah, thats my guess
I've never seen a swing arm like that ???
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I'm with #8, Hercules/Sachs 250. Also sold in England as an EMC2 or something simillar
Oooh so close. But no cigar.
It's an EMC (Eatough Motor components). Later they amalgamated with Cotton to form Cotton EMX, changed motors to Rotax and they won the UK MX champs in '79 with Pete Mathia aboard. Later still they and CCM were bought out to form Armstrong.
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQbZiiGGTi4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQbZiiGGTi4)
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2 great looking bikes.If you could find one or other I wonder what they'd be worth?I think I saw a Cotton EMX in a photo of a twinshock meet in a recent Classic Dirtbike mag and they commented how rare they were.
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Geez Tim, wish I'd found this thread earlier. That pic you posted is on the fridge at home!
Had a chuckle reading through all the guesses. I don't think anyone has ever correctly identified my old man's EMC. Maybe you?
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Your dads got one? Rotax or Sachs?
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No Sachs or Rotax, his is a very early one (Number 2 in fact) with a factory fitted Falta CZ 380 engine in it. My uncle bought it new from Bill Brown in England back in 1977, then it sat around doing nothing in Scotland for 25 years. My old man went back and retrieved it from a mate back in 2002, crated it up and shipped it to Aus.
I now just ride it (semi)regularly in Vic Classic MX series.
Here's a pic on the VCM site of me on it last year in Evo. Don't let the gratuitous holeshot pic fool you, the clutch blew up getting that start...
(http://api.ning.com/files/gYfw8-n-zrgYfm4dEDIR4UQZIZdTuwv5WkeIM9vDIO7eyYbcPXBQB4sBpIWnerCXaxCMnVVsl*76Npg4HBUsUildIC-FVokb/5.jpg?width=737&height=483)