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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Freakshow on April 27, 2010, 02:26:44 pm
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LOng story but guy told me he had a Ts 250 roller i would like "same as your TM250" , great seat, tyres you know the drill, how much i say $50, ok sounds like i deal and i pay up, thinking spare forks and wheels at least.
anyhow went over there this weeks ( actually forgot i paid him before nats) and this is what he wheels out, now while i stand there and think of asking for my dough back, when i get more intregued about why the bottom of the frame is missing ?? then he point to a home made buggy a mate gave him in the corner, out fof interest i take a look and there sitting high on the back is a near perfect looking early Ts motor still attacted to its lower frame..........
i looked at it a bit longer in relation to this "buggy" and i realise this guy is a real red neck and the buggy is never going to work. I went on to ask how he is going tosecure the motor, then how are you ever going to get a left chain drive to run a right small cain drive axle on the other side of the motor, how do you change gears from behind your head and so on....... the with a puzzled look on his face preceeds to tell me hell swap the motor for a water pump or centrifical 50cc motor to suit the buggy. i kinda smiled and wondered back to TS monster i know own and he hands me a handfull of bolts.plates and frame bits he cut up ::) like thanks....
anyhow the is only a little ali batdge on the front that says Ts250, weight, eng number and frame ( both match numbers) there is no comp plate , so unless this is a real rare RH66..... ;D
can some one ID it, and then tell me if there are any bits worth saving. It does have a very cool pointy tank and a steel oil tank with an eve cooler OIL stamped ali screw filler bung.
front wheel is a 19' with a double cam brake. Forks unfortunatly arent even ali and are steel in a Betor copy look.
cheers Freaky
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/RIMG0241.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/RIMG0238.jpg)
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Also im not sure why but i cam with what appear to be kids push bike bars. and when i say kids i mean them little ones with trainer wheels........... and yes they have perches onthem so they werent fitted just to move it around the shed.
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Are you sure that ID plate says TM freaky ???
Are you going to tell us the ID numbers? Or is it an out and out guessing competition ???
To me it looks like a mutilated 1969 Suzuki TS 250 savage ::)
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Mind you Freaky, how much do you want for the front wheel ;D
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yup Freaky, it's is/was a '69-'70 TS250. I have one myself I'm hoping to drag along to CD7 ;)
(http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p5TQT0NqpDQ1ci_kowV4SzADocYMMfGldylaLa7SNtbAz2RWtnKKYhKza2wOACfQOgwg3OggmlYOOV-oj3-CVLA/1969%20TS250-1%20right.jpg)
(http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pnjXisexL9QlFSuKU2DBHrmK0dpvSMsq9WBU13jzhBIFAWt7LpaPPNwzpW93yJ-kWuVuUr29yVGw4P7X8CswKgw/1969%20TS250-1%20left%20007.jpg)
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Looks like you will get your money back on T 250 / front brakes.????
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.........did you get the motor or not ?? ??? ??? ???
Roger
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you obviously still have the '69 TS roller Roger :) would make a decent project if you could get the engine complete ;)
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Whats with the head on the tm doc, looks to have fins shaved for an up pipe
Nice looking bike though
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YEp the motor and the rest of the frame are still there, read the story, after i explained the working of the motor, he realised it was all in vain as it wont work in the buggy, and the motor looks immaculate...... grrrr
HE would swap the motor for a smaller auto or similar for this buggy, (that im sure will never ever be running). probally for the right money i guess he would just sell the motor anyway, with or with the bottom rails still attatched ::) he also umbolte the electrics etc so it actually was a complet unit, will still is really.
Doc seems yours has differant forks to this one, these be steel, still yours is a cute bike by the look of it though, but im sure its the same thing. well excepy you TM covers and seat :)
Whats worth selling or keeping from this bike ? are they even collectable, as i dont think its worth putting back together, so ill sell of most of it and bin the frame unless someone can tell me otherwise...
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other thing i noticed was the clutch on the motor was like the DT1 with the button and the rod set up, which was interesting to see how similar the cover and actuator was to the yamaha set up
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ooh yeah and the really cool Steering dampner ? what with that, it looks to be set up for them with the lugs on the frame and lower clamp, prity impressive unit too for pre 75 nevermind pre 70
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Tony it is meant to have an up pipe same as the one on the floor in Freaky's photo's ;) The pipe I have on mine is what they called the kit pipe from the R/T MX kit. I also have the kit ignition and airfilter but I haven't fitted them yet even though I've had them for years..all in good time ::) the pic below is how the bike arrived (many thanks to Ed- PERM) I've still not ridden it but I can tell you just from wheeling it around that it weighs about 500kgs and would make the ground shake if it were MX'ed. I'd reckon dirt track is the go for these old TS's and that's where the standard twin leader front brake may also come in handy as it'd be right bastard to try and pull up :o :D
(http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1puTDOoZmRrUAajNLK5bLPtwLlLkg6EKltQlSnzD6fyF0hqUseOMhYjFmVH-adJU-vTxsXp_mbNnTdPupj-YhuHQ/69%20TS250.JPG)
Freaky if you wish to part with that steering damper I'll gladly take it off your hands..it's all about appearances ya know! :D the forks and wheels on mine are '76 TS400 which gives it alloy rims and the 21" front hoop ;)
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yep this one has the 19" front which is why i was going to test the IRC tyre on it on one of my Ft bikes, also im going to use the chrome rear guard on a frame im working on too, so it has bits i can use, just kinda not what i envisaged, i mean he kept going on a bout how good the seat base was......... trust me its just average, but probally in better mech cond than the yellow one tured up like, the bike was runnignas i do remeber seeing it running with an old chap a while back, its just a shame he chopped it, but i guess its made it easy to make the call on it.
I'll brake it down, i reakon when i get a chance and bin the frame, rest ill list on ebay or take best offers off here, i just dont have room for it, and really no use, if i can find a fit for the tank, id like to run it on somthing cause its a cool shape , but i doubt that will ever happen either.
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Sorry , Doc, Ive still got the roller but no way to get it up to you if you still want it. Let me know ?
Roger
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no worries Roger but I'll pass thanks ;) I once entertained some wild notion of doing a full resto on a '69 TS but the reality is I have more than enough bikes/project now and adding more would be total insanity ;) cheers
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These old TS Suzukis can be made into pretty competitive pre '70 class bikes if you're pretty good with a hacksaw and grinder to knock as much weight as you can out of the frame and know a good porting bloke. They're very similar to the DT1 in as far as what needs to be done and if everything is done properly the end result is a pretty fast piece of kit.
Below is the ex Eddie Brooks TS that was one of the bikes to beat in its class back in the nineties. It's now owned by Sydneys Ray Atkins and ridden by his granddaughter Kathleen.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/suzukitskathleen%282%29.jpg)
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NIce bike, Im assuming its run now as a PRe 75 bike in club looking at the front end and top end.
Still im really diging the tanks. do they fit on a TM ????
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(http://www.vintagemx.us/images/photos/15493938-20337-large.jpg)
well heres them forks
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Those are the old TS 'clunker' forks Freaky, Not worth fitting to anything except a restoration project as they are pretty much hopeless anywhere except on the road. The TS tank has totally different mounting to the TM tank, it could be made fit but it would take a little work to make another rear mount. They aren't a small tank by any means either ;)
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Hey Freaky, have you got a pickup price on the whole lot?
I have a mate just around the corner from you.
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...........do you want the roller Mick ?
Roger
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Whats a whole lot ? or what bits did you want. i only drop it of at the farm so i havent had a look at it yet ( took the fot in near dark)
ill pull it apart on the weekend and put the bit i want on one side and the other stuff on the other side, so if anyone interested happy to do some swap etc.
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Whats a whole lot ?
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/RIMG0238.jpg?t=1272463470)
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/RIMG0241.jpg?t=1272463613)
or if you are going to split it up
Mind you Freaky, how much do you want for the front wheel ;D
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Seems i was right, just got a call asking me do i want to buy the motor, as its sounds to fast for the kids go kart idea.
Still has the frame attatche to it so i guess it could be saved ??? What else does this motor fit, incase i have somethign easier to slip it into, sounds like its running fine thou. Still what amoron would have been at least worth a few bucks more if he had just sold it as it was, and with the money he made, bought a proper go kart motor.
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freaky .... follow my Ts/Tm thread as this is what frame I have butchered up literaly ;)
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Your frame is a later 250j/k frame from memory Stew. Not sure the early '69/'70 motors drop straight into the later frames..quite possibly they might but I've never tried to know ;)
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Nah dont need a new project, just figuring out if i need any of it.....