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Marque Remarks => Honda => Topic started by: sudman on March 24, 2010, 05:40:33 pm
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My Baja 1000 C&J XL350 rolling frame is on it's way to NZ :), I think I am going to enjoy this winter shed project 8)
(http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab217/sudmanvmx/cid_0F9274118B5B402F8A39A5770EC0EB4.jpg)
now
(http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab217/sudmanvmx/CJAlBaker.jpg)
They look alike don't they.
I will be running a blog of the build on the Ozvmx Honda Thumpers page
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Those things are in my opinion seriously cool. I remember reading and re-reading the Bill Bell article in Cycle World and drooling. I would love one of those things. What a great project, really looking forward to seeing and hearing more about the rebuild.
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My Baja 1000 C&J XL350 rolling frame is on it's way to NZ :), I think I am going to enjoy this winter shed project 8)
Looks like a great winter shed project sudman. Do you have a lemon tree out the back? And a wall of offerings to the “God of Speed”?
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Hi Sudman, i spoke to you on that US site and gave you that old photo. i look forward to seeing what it looks like all together again.
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Great project I am so jealous!!!! Cheers
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Yep it's going to be a bit of fun, thanks for the old pic, I did manage to find a few more of the bike in action but in B & W off a French site of all things, there is very little information on the net about this bike & even less pictures so if someone out there has anymore info on Al Bakers 1975 Baja 1000 wining bike let me know.
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Sudman
I also recently got a CJ framed Bill Bell Honda 410 with Simons forks on the front, set of Fox shocks on the rear . currently having the Siomns forks been rebuilt. The pipe is a straight thru megaphone, with an Electron carb.
regards
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crabman, because of your suspension, yours sounds like around a 77-78 model but sudmans appears to be more like a 75-76 model.
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I did notice that sudmans bike has a floating rear brake and the Al Baker bike doesn't but who knows...
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Crabman it sounds good post a pic if you have one.
Thanks
Tony
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Well spotted JohnnyO I had picked that up as well, it will be good to get a frame number when it gets here to see if I can find out any history of the bike, I have emailed C&J but they have not replied as yet.
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Sudman there is a guy in the states who bought all Al Bakers stuff from an old warehouse in California a few years ago.
I've spoken to him and seen some photos of all the Mugen parts and bikes.
He may have some info on Al's C&J bike. I have his name and know someone who could put you in touch.
PM me if you want more details.
Cheers
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sudman what bike are you pulling apart for this frame ? is the centre port or side one. still very keen on haveing a ride on the blue beast.
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I would love own one like this baby. whats this frame??
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I did notice that sudmans bike has a floating rear brake and the Al Baker bike doesn't but who knows...
yep i noticed that too.
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sudman what bike are you pulling apart for this frame ? is the centre port or side one. still very keen on haveing a ride on the blue beast.
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I would love own one like this baby. whats this frame??
That thing is nice!
It says Champion on the swingarm so i guess it's a Champion frame.
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Nice bike....That's a Champion frame. In 1990 I built a very trick Champion Honda 350, very similar in concept to that bike. Mine had Maico forks, Bultaco Mk8 back wheel, CR 125 tank, Maico seat, very fast and trick stock bore 350 engine. I believe it's soon to race in WA with its third owner since me.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/Cus100.jpg)
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Firko is that the bike that Darren Cheney had at one time?
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"sudman what bike are you pulling apart for this frame ? is the centre port or side one. still very keen on haveing a ride on the blue beast."
It will be the centre port, Yep the blue beast does hall ass, I think we could arrange a ride on it for you
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Firko is that the bike that Darren Cheney had at one time?
That's the bike John. I sold it to Mick Murnane who rode it into the ground and he sold it on to Darren Cheney.
What year is this please Firko..?
I can't put a particular year on it Alison as it's built from a bunch of parts from various years. It was raced in pre '75.
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Here's a couple more C&J Hondas. Great things.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/Bill_Bell.jpg)
Bill Bell himself with the Baja winning bike.
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Brian O'Connor had this for sale a year or so ago.
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Our long time mate and 1992 Ravenswood Nats pre 65 winner Mike Middletons now retired C&J works bike. Mike rode for them in the 70s/80s.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/CJ%20MIDDLETON2.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/CJ%20MIDDLETON3.jpg)
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Above: Mikes C&J Hondas when new in the late 70s. He had three, one for MX, another for desert/enduros and third set up for flat track.
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This is a bit later but still looks nice.
(http://www.vintagefactory.com/500CJ.jpg)
Then theres this
(http://www.vintagefactory.com/Custom%20XL%202.jpg)
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gee, that is a very nice looking bike
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Nice bike think there is article on them on the excelent site
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My Baja 1000 C&J XL350 rolling frame is on it's way to NZ :), I think I am going to enjoy this winter shed project 8)
Are you looking for a 410 motor for the Bill Bell?
Crabman
[email protected]
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Hey subman,Winters here ..How the winter Baja project coming along ? cheers Alison.
Bit of inspiration.
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Ailson you must have your radar on :D the boxes just turned up from the states & I will post the pictures soon, it is in way better nick, I could just clean it & put it together.
Tony
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Good stuff,love parcels. :)
Found another bit on Baja..not a totally happy story,though the burgers and bikes nights sounds a good nosh up..... :P
http://www.earlyyearsofmx.com:80/
The Early Years of MX Museum has been open since early 2006 for special events only. Of special interest is his collection of 11 Husqvarna’s that include the 500cc Baja Invader (1 of 3 twin cylinder off-road bikes built by the factory) that won the 1969 Baja 1000. Other interesting motorcycles include a 1968 Suzuki TM250 (1 of 65) that was the first Japanese production MX’er, a Bultaco Rickman Metisse (1 of 24), and a 1972 XR750 similar to the one White raced on Grand National dirt tracks. The museum has many posters from the earliest years of MX in America and many of Edison Dye’s (the man who brought MX to America) original photos and documents.
cheers enjoy life to the full 8)
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I don't know how he does it but Klub Kevlars Las Vegas operative Bob Neilson has unearthed another gem barnfind. Bob's the bloke who recently sold the 500 Triumph Hindall on eBay and who sold me my B&S TM400 and other stuff. He purchased this very early C&J XL350 from the original owner who was a mate of Linn Kastin, one of the original owners of C&J who custom built the bike to the owners specs. According to Bob it's got a number of features not seen on the normal C&J. I'm sure the DT1 parcel rack isn't one of them. The Lyta tank will hopefully soon ne enroute to Casa del Firko.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/bobcj3.jpg)
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Below is the Trackmaster Harley Bob bought with the proceeds from the Hindall sale. The engine's an early Sportster with a stroker crank and shitloads of unobtainium. Cool or what? Bobs got some seriously interesting machines in his 20 bike collection.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/CIMG4245.jpg)
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Don't you just love big boxes of bike bits
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all the bits ready for a clean
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Lucky bugger. :o
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Firko, am I to understand your mate Bob Neilson over their is breaking this 350 up.
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Typical Honda, soon as you get them home they fall to pieces ;D.
Sorry, it looks great. Should be a great and unique resto when you finish 8).
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Firko, am I to understand your mate Bob Neilson over their is breaking this 350 up
No Col, Bob's going to do a co production resto with his son. They're possibly changing to an Elsinore tank so I've put my hand up for the Lyta Goldy tank. The decisions yet to be made.
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Mmmmm I jealousy 8)
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I don't know how he does it but Klub Kevlars Las Vegas operative Bob Neilson has unearthed another gem barnfind.
Below is the Trackmaster Harley Bob bought with the proceeds from the Hindall sale. The engine's an early Sportster with a stroker crank and shitloads of unobtainium. Cool or what? Bobs got some seriously interesting machines in his 20 bike collection.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/CIMG4245.jpg)
Wow old bobs got a nose for finding stuff, and the querky, looks like a tracy glass kit thats using a TRackstyle tank molded to a champion rear like the triumph ones tyhat were getting around.
Doubt its trackmaster though, the swing arm has been heavily modded and one off where it comes into the frame ( flat bar not tubed). Im guessing a normal harley doenst use a rear loop either ? but neither did Ray or neil so its a custom frame or a splice in. Suss out the lack of gusset area not normal sonic/track, more like a street bike or chopper framer conversion/maker.
ealry Snow flake wheels........ makes it look more like the old black/gold ducati road bike, look heaps sexy with some nice wide Borrani spoked set. Cant say i like the anodised stuff - eeeek .... even if it was just one colour anodised would look heaps tougher.
still be a interesting thing to get around on. I think its got heaps of potential if he gets retro on it, spoke wheels for sure though
Id love to get something like that and shove some of them loooooog forks in it, be a cool Retro chopper.
Did he ever finish that other blue/white one peice glass chopper thing he had before ( truimph? )or did he return it to track trim?
Id be inclined
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Freaky....Being the wheeler dealer Bob is, he's already passed the Harley on to Brian Deitz . Brian's a mega collector who owns the hanger next to Jay Leno at Santa Monica airport and has a very cool collection of dirt track and road racers plus some unique motocrossers. Brians currently hounding me to sell him my Boyd and Stellings TM and to talk Jonesy into selling him his Hagon TT500 monocoque mx'er.
Bob had a post on the VFT site asking if anyone knew of the bikes history. A previous owner got in touch with him and informed him that the frame's a Trackmaster that's been extended 8" to take the Harley Sportster engine. The engines a stroker hot rod engine with lots of go fast goodies. It started life as a street bike but has been recently used for vintage dirt track. The original owner ran the bike at the Bonneville speed trials about 25 years ago fitted with a blower and Hilborn injection but Bob doesn't know how fast it went. Bob said that Brian wants to put it on the street which we all agreed is where it belongs. Whatever, it's a very cool bike.
Bobs got the Sonic/Tracy old school chopper on the street and that's the way its staying. He did toy with the idea of building it as a dirt bike but decided to keep it as it is.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/bobs%20bobber1.jpg)
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Nice... that hard tail chopper is the ducks guts in retro porn i reakon. 8)
The HD still looks like a splice into me, there too much going on there for it too be early iron, but if they have added the rear loop for glass and the front end is a cut in from the HD then would explain a bit , and as a salt flat runner they make some odd shit up.
YEah id have moved that HD on too it was a lot of work and in no man's land, you would need to make it into something, it was lost in the state it was.
thans for the update.
thanks
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We're hijacking Sudmans thread here, my apologies mate, but I'll try and steer it back on course directly. For want of somewhere else to place this info about Bobs Sportster here's a little blog page from Sideburn Magazines website. To me the bike appears to be a stretched Trackmaster (8''as the original owner has indicated) but it's pretty obvious it's been built for something other than dirt track even though it'd probably work OK on a longer mile style track. The bikes supposed salt racing heritage is interesting but I reckon it's not even set up correctly for salt racing. Without the benefit of a closer photo, I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't a Boyd and Stellings aluminium swingarm.To me it's a very cool street tracker and I think the Tracy style bodywork and Rokon wheels seperate it from the 'everyday' Harley street tracker. Bob's done a swap deal with Brian Deitz for something "very rare and special" that he'll be sending me photos and infor on next week. http://sideburnmag.blogspot.com/2010/05/bobs-sporty.html (http://sideburnmag.blogspot.com/2010/05/bobs-sporty.html)
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is ther Harley motor lying down at an angle and a long way forward, or is it just the photo. I saw this bike for sale a while ago.
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a bit more info off the US swapmeet site,cheers A
FOR SALE
Ad # 3153505 May 19, 2010
C&J Prototype frame for the Honda XL 250/350 engines.
Please read the email from Denis Curtis, of Curtis Frames in Canada.
Hello Richard,
The reason I know it's a C&J is that early in '73 when the XL350 first came out I was approached by Clarke Simpkins Honda (Clarke Simpkins was the distributor of Honda products for British Columbia and Alberta at that time) Race director, who asked me to build an enduro frame and a motocross frame for the big single. What you see on my Curtis Racing website was the first enduro version, what you don't see is the later version of Enduro/MX/Desert Racer.
During the time I was building the bikes another racer friend shows up at my shop with a frame kit from California made by C&J. I have a picture of it somewhere. He had been road racing at Ontario motor Speedway in L.A. (now defunct) and had seen this C&J prototype in the paddock, being shown to several people.
He noticed, as did I, that the rear of the engine was held in a cradle which was mounted to the swing arm pivot and to the frame. The originator of that style of frame was Doug Schwerma of Champion Racing Frames, and he used that principle on all his Dirt Track racers.
One of the founders of C&J was a prevoius employee of Champion so there is the link. C&J went on to change the design of their frames.
I knew Doug Schwerma through Yamaha Motor Canada and we consulted on several joint projects particularly around Dirt Trackers. I never used that rear engine cradle idea on any of my frames, and that is how I know what frame you have!
Denis
Denis Curtis
President
CMR Racing Products Inc.
Belleville, Ontario, Canada
613.967.8112
So, I now have confirmation that backs up my original thoughts of this being a C&J frame.
$2000.00 plus shipping. Where eles will you find a C&J prototype frame?
Thanks Mark,
Richard
Richard Fogel
Rutherford, NJ
Phone: (201) 923-3761 | Email | Website
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Some days you just get lucky :), I got an email the other day from the guy in the state that I purchased my C & J rolling frame off telling me he had found the long lost motor from this bike :o The 1st question I asked was how much is this motor going to cost me, the reply came back " cost of freight " ;D now that has to put a smile on your face.
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Gearbox is missing but I have the important bit with all the correct numbers on it.
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lucky lucky lucky....
Stevens still working on the cdi bits-busy with other bikes ..when does your parcel arrive ??
cheers A
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About 6 weeks, shipping it with Kiwi freight again, I am at the stage now that the frame needs some colour on it but do I paint as done in the day or do I get it powder coated?
Cheers
Tony
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With a full rebuild we always go for poweder coating really does finish it off nice 8)
Bugger the cost its our bit of bling ;D
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Here's a little inspiration for Steven in the shed.
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Interesting info sent to me by the passed owner.
How many would you buy at that price if you could now?
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CDI off xr200 for honda xl350 motors works well
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Yep I have been running one for about a year now with no problems.
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About 6 weeks, shipping it with Kiwi freight again, I am at the stage now that the frame needs some colour on it but do I paint as done in the day or do I get it powder coated?
Cheers
Tony
Its August ;) ;D Is it here yet ? 8)
cheers A
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Alison your radar works so well I bet Steve & man child can't get away with anything :)
It has made it to NZ just waiting for customs to clear it, have not done to much other than collecting bits from the state, CR250 seat, new sprockets, footpegs etc dummy up the engine to make mounts & that's about it.
Had some VMX friends just come back from Kalgoorlie, they have family up there working in the Superpit, went out with metal detector & after about an hour found a nugget about size of small golf ball. :D
Also had a bit of fun riding in the red dust on a new CRF450.
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Alison your radar works so well I bet Steve & man child can't get away with anything :)
It has made it to NZ just waiting for customs to clear it, have not done to much other than collecting bits from the state, CR250 seat, new sprockets, footpegs etc dummy up the engine to make mounts & that's about it.
Had some VMX friends just come back from Kalgoorlie, they have family up there working in the Superpit, went out with metal detector & after about an hour found a nugget about size of small golf ball. :D
Also had a bit of fun riding in the red dust on a new CRF450.
No they got their secrets ;D We found an C&J in the states and waiting on an email-second in line :P (How could you need to wait on finance for such an item ::) ::) sell ya grandmother buy buy I say ;D , anyway so that's when I thought of your c&j on it's way ;D
Gold !! very nice size to unearth, now they are friends to hang out with.Heading up to the Goldfields next weekend,maybe the big bore pre85 will uncover some nuggets at the King of the Cross 25th Anniversary. :P
cheers A
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Was it the one from Marks swap meet site? I have seen pitures of that one, there is also a very cool one on ebay as well all road legal. Hope you get it they are so light less than half the weight of the Honda frame.
Tony
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Was it the one from Marks swap meet site? I have seen pitures of that one, there is also a very cool one on ebay as well all road legal. Hope you get it they are so light less than half the weight of the Honda frame.
Tony
Do you have a link for the ebay one ?
cheers
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On page three of this thread I posted some shots of Bob Neilsons barn find "C&J" XL Honda. Bob and I have done a bit of research of the bike and now know that it's a Redline framed bike that was built for the best mate of Redline owner Linn Kastin. Once it was realised just how rare the bike was in relation to its bargain $1600 price Alan Jones has bought it and it's now on its way to Oz. Apparently the bike was used for desert racing around 1974/5 and has quite a sturdy engine, supposedly built by Bill Bell. This is yet another example that if you're prepared to look outside of the circle, there are some gems still to be had for recession prices.
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Nice rack! :D
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It's a proper DT1 item Jeff...holy grail stuff to train spotters like Alan and I ;D
Here's a little inspiration for Steven in the shed.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/Thumper2012.jpg)
Number 18 seems to be in a bit of bother in the first turn photo! Would that be Mike Bell on #5? He looks tall enough and his Dad built a pretty good C&J Honda.
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...holy grail stuff to train spotters like Alan and I ;D
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Was it the one from Marks swap meet site? I have seen pitures of that one, there is also a very cool one on ebay as well all road legal. Hope you get it they are so light less than half the weight of the Honda frame.
Tony
What year are the frame makes of the side pipe and straight pipes --both pre75 ??
cheers A
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The Centre port frame came out in late 74 as per the price list above being 1st of Jan 1975,back then a lot of XL were being changed to centre port, Honda's centre motor did not come out until late 75, if you take a look at the Al Baker bike at the start of this post you will see it has a centre port head but side port cases.
Cheers
Tony
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Re frame era;have to stick with Dec 74 as we are sticklers for de rules ;D
up she goes 8)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300450408083&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT
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bill bell article on xlint web site
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It's a proper DT1 item Jeff...holy grail stuff to train spotters like Alan and I ;D
Here's a little inspiration for Steven in the shed.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/Thumper2012.jpg)
Number 18 seems to be in a bit of bother in the first turn photo! Would that be Mike Bell on #5? He looks tall enough and his Dad built a pretty good C&J Honda.
Well spotted it is Mike Bell on one of his Dad's XL440's, the track is Carlsbad Carrera 4 Stroke Nationals 1976
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Good thing only want this motor for the cases & gearbox.
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It's starting to take shape, I have most parts now & just making bits to put it all together, new cap screws to be plated yet, just made the 6mm alloy engine mounts.
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Motor ready for the frame.
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Not a bad days work
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Wow that engine's looking a lot better than the last time we saw it.. Cool project.
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And more work over the weekend.
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doing well..doing well.. :P
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looks beautiful. keep up the good work
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loving the pictures of the two bikes on the trailer. Those frames are once again readily available, (subject to a deposit and the time reqd to build the frame). The fastest twinshock 4 stroke in the northern hemisphere is one of these and blasts the opposition into the weeds. The motor is highly tuned as is the rider. It eats 490 Maicos for breakfast.....
Looks stunning and sounds incredible which is a great combination!
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I BAGS 1ST RIDE :D :D :D
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I BAGS 1ST RIDE :D :D :D
Take the second ticket and wait in line ;) ;D
cheers
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What year is this please Firko..?
Alison - Champions came pre 70, pre 75 and pre 80, the later ones had the mulit position swing arms and a few little changes, the early ones look a little more like a Dt1/Square barrel maicos, head stem stamps also changed from numbers to letter-numbers.
Probally just as easy to place them by the motor in it, and the swing arm.
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What year is this please Firko..?
Alison - Champions came pre 70, pre 75 and pre 80, the later ones had the mulit position swing arms and a few little changes, the early ones look a little more like a Dt1/Square barrel maicos, head stem stamps also changed from numbers to letter-numbers.
Probally just as easy to place them by the motor in it, and the swing arm.
Thanks Freaky,Just quiering what era club we may see it in ,if at all.
I'm sure if its at Bridgetown in November ,Steven will point it out with glee ;D
cheers
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Alison, that particular frame was stamped 1973. I bought from a guy who'd bought two in 1973 thinking he'd build a 250 as well as his 350. He never did get around to building the second bike so he covered the frame in Vaseline and wrapped it in Gladwrap ( ;D) and stuck it in his garage attic and forgot about it until 1989 when I asked him if he knew of one after running into him at the Dick Mann meeting at Sandhill Ranch where he was racing his original Champion XL350. We did the deal and I brought it home as excess baggage.
Do you know who's got the bike over there? I put a lot of love into that Champion and still reckon it was my neatest special build. I only sold it because I don't like the ergos of the Champion frame as an MXer. I just never felt comfortable on it. When (if) you do eventually run into the bike and its owner, I'd like to see if he's got the original engine I built for it. I know that later owners Darren Cheney and Owen Hutcheson fitted different engines and that my motor hadn't been used. If it still exists I'd like the chance of buying it back for sentimental reasons.......plus that minor fact that it's a pretty handy performer.
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Do you know who's got the bike over there? I put a lot of love into that Champion and still reckon it was my neatest special build. I only sold it because I don't like the ergos of the Champion frame as an MXer. I just never felt comfortable on it. When (if) you do eventually run into the bike and its owner, I'd like to see if he's got the original engine I built for it. I know that later owners Darren Cheney and Owen Hutcheson fitted different engines and that my motor hadn't been used. If it still exists I'd like the chance of buying it back for sentimental reasons.......plus that minor fact that it's a pretty handy performer.
Will keep our eyes peeled..you know it might belong to one of thoses vaseline/gladwrap people again.
The more I read on this forum everyday and the vmxwa members I know....there are a shit load of bikes out there, parked up! :'( :'(
cheers
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Gladwrap and Honda dont mix ;D
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Gladwrap and Honda dont mix ;D
sshhh :-X they might hear you !
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Firko is that the bike that Darren Cheney had at one time?
Answer: yes
Do you know who has it now JohnnyO ??
cheers
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Firko is that the bike that Darren Cheney had at one time?
Answer: yes
Do you know who has it now JohnnyO ??
cheers
No sorry i lost track of it after Darren. Mick Murnane may know.. he gets on here occasionally.
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She's now a runner ;D & it does sound good.
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Very nice Tony 8)
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Cheers Ian, it's been a lot hard than I thought it would be with having to make lots of parts by hand but it has been fun.
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Very Nice sudman
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I BAGS 1ST RIDE :D :D :D
Take the second ticket and wait in line ;) ;D
cheers
If you come over to the Johnny Old she's yours to ride.
Tony
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Shh but I am getting fonder of Hondas ;D
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Yep & this one you can touch the ground on Ian;D
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Great job Tony,is it coming up to Taupo?
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Yep that's plan, I have a picture on the wall of the office from last year of the old XL & me clearing the finish line table top so it's now time to see if the C & J can fly.
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Looking bloody good Tony :) you realise i will have to fit mirrors to the KX so i can keep an eye on you now ;D
I can bolt the mirrors to the crash bars iv'e fitted to keep the Buzzard at bay :D
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I have NOS opaque preston petty "Mudder" rear fender and an opaque "Tony D" front fender for that bike if you need them.
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It looks like the originals were silver to me.Ive seen old silver PP stuff go that colour before. Anyway Preston Petty Products is back in business again
http://www.strictlyhodaka.com/prestonpetty.html
Who would have thought that would happen 10 years ago. I wonder what other companies/products will make a come back?
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If you come over to the Johnny Old she's yours to ride.
Tony
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Great work Tony your mission on earth is complete ;) ;D ;D----have they picked a date for the 2011 Johnny Old event yet ??
Enjoy 8)
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Looking bloody good Tony :) you realise i will have to fit mirrors to the KX so i can keep an eye on you now ;D
I can bolt the mirrors to the crash bars iv'e fitted to keep the Buzzard at bay :D
What about fitting a leveling bar as well that way I will have an easier ride & it will make it a little harder for the Buzzard & me to pass ;) ;)
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I have NOS opaque preston petty "Mudder" rear fender and an opaque "Tony D" front fender for that bike if you need them.
It looks like the originals were silver to me.Ive seen old silver PP stuff go that colour before. Anyway Preston Petty Products is back in business again
http://www.strictlyhodaka.com/prestonpetty.html
Who would have thought that would happen 10 years ago. I wonder what other companies/products will make a come back?
Yep they are grey under the steering head good old SoCal sun.
I would be interested in your fenders E74 pm me if you like thanks Tony
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If you come over to the Johnny Old she's yours to ride.
Tony
Great work Tony your mission on earth is complete ;) ;D ;D----have they picked a date for the 2011 Johnny Old event yet ??
Enjoy 8)
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No dates yet but it's looking like 2012 for the next one, I can now start my 2nd mission which is a another C & J project
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And now it's all done :D even had my 1st ride on it tonight ;D
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Well done mate,I cant wait to see it flying over the table tops at Taupo ;D
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Yep I am hoping the new smaller CR250 tank will be ready by then as I want to keep the MR250 tank for show. My CDI coversion is working well as it starts 1st kick even when it's cold ;D
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I BAGS 1ST RIDE :D :D :D
very nice work mate .cant wait to hear it :o :o
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Thanks for the feedback guys, out for a test ride this weekend with a little luck.
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Sweet bike Suds.....Good enough for a magazine shoot I reckon.
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out for a test ride this weekend with a little luck.
How did the test ride go? .... like a Red Rocket :P
I found this one today, on Elsinore Works Shop Facebook..cheers A
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Did not make the test ride as I worked all day Saturday & it was to wet Sunday, looks good for this weekend, been fitting up the CR250 race tank so pictures to come soon of that.
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The son-in-law has now finished the race tank :D & he has done a fantastic job of a tank that was a real shit box, it had come from a old road race CR250 it had dents as big as your fist & to top it had been sand blasted. Good to see all that training at RNZAF has not gone to waste. ;)
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And I got the C & J stickers dones as well.
Next project clean the shed.
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Looks sweet as, I have my Cheney XL440 on its way to NZ as we speak, maybe we can have weird 4 stroke kit bike shoot out ;D
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Sounds like an idea Mark, are you coming back to do some riding in NZ.
Tony
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Taupo report please 8)
cheers
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TM Bill 3x1st & me & the C & J 3x2nds, pictures to come soon.
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TM Bill 3x1st & me & the C & J 3x2nds, pictures to come soon.
yep hard to beat Bill on his home track .... mate of mine in Auckland with RM250 mentioned he was coming down to stomp you all to dust.... did he make it ?
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I don't know but the dust did ;D
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TM Bill 3x1st .
greedy bugger ;D
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TM Bill 3x1st & me & the C & J 3x2nds, pictures to come soon.
yep hard to beat Bill on his home track .... mate of mine in Auckland with RM250 mentioned he was coming down to stomp you all to dust.... did he make it ?
Only RM 250 from Jaffa land appeared to be stuck in reverse ;)
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Only RM 250 from Jaffa land appeared to be stuck in reverse ;)
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No I think he managed to pick up very rare NOS reverse kit from one of his mates in Europe,..... ;D
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True,there certainly wasn't any chance of an engine seizure when only the pilot jet was engaged!
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Pic's from round two.
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more
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Craig should be picking up the Cheney in a week two, motor is rebuilt so hopefully it shouldn't be too much of a mission to bolt some forks and shocks on.
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Cheney monoshock just hit the wharf in Otahuhu ???
Anyway another build coming up. ;D .....
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Cool looking forward to seeing it, how big is the motor out to Marc
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Cool looking forward to seeing it, how big is the motor out to Marc
420cc from all account, it looks rebuilt but who can say these days.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CJ-Honda-XL350-Elsinore-Ahrma-Vintage-Motocross-/360328564549?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item53e5418f45
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-XR-500-C-J-MX-/230563838319?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item35aeacf96f
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Nice find Paul I tried to buy that bike about two years ago (XL350), but the old owner would not ship it. Here is the old ad copy.
XL 350 (420CC) Bought for a project bike. Just don't have the time to work on it.
It runs but needs work. I think it's a C&J chassis. Late 70's forks. S&W Shocks.
$2000.00 OBO Call or Email for more info or Photos.
I don't need it now I two of them.
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Mad muffler on the XR500 :D
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I've been watching that XR500.. would be a cool bike to own. It has some history, owner John Hateley was a big dirt track star in the 70's.
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Marc.com ..... "Cheney monoshock just hit the wharf in Otahuhu"
Your on drugs Bro ....there is no Warf in Otahuhu ???
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Stu, may be Mangere Bridge wharfe
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I picked that old beast up for my mate dot com,Mainfreight Otahoohoo bro.
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Any of you kiwi bro's heard from subman/Tony lately ?
Is that TMBill's 50th suzuki59 :P
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I call in and see Tony (sudman) every trip through thru palmie and have a coffee , he is getting weaker all the time but still seems to be in good spirits & takes a keen interest in my progress with the '74 C&J XL412 that I bought off him (the black one on page 1 of this thread)
Tony is a top bloke , the world needs more sudmen
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Went riding today with these two.
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