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Marque Remarks => Spaniards (Bultaco, Ossa, Montesa etc) => Topic started by: mx250 on February 25, 2010, 10:37:47 am

Title: They're Coming out of the Woodwork.
Post by: mx250 on February 25, 2010, 10:37:47 am: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MONTESSA-ENDURO-250-1979-MOTORBIKE-TRAIL-BIKE-VINTAGE_W0QQitemZ150416498378QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Motorcycles?hash=item2305859eca

It amazes me how many Monties there are out there. As a percentage of bikes sold more Monties musta survived than any other brand :o 8).

It also surprise me how many, and seemingly random, variation and mutations of the basic enduro design there were. This one is claimed as a'79. I thought the VB based H7 would have been the current model by then. The frame is interesting - looks like the VR single down tube with forward mounted shocks - two top mounts but different to the earlier model, go figure.

(Oh, and tell him he's dreaming ::) ;D. A $1000 (reserve not meet :P) for a bike thats needs a little more then TLC to get presentable.)
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Post by: holeshot buddy on February 25, 2010, 09:15:37 pm: yep and my vr250 is up for sale soon as well :'(
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Post by: Hornet on February 25, 2010, 09:34:07 pm: MX , which one hade the shocks laid backwards ? thats onother one for my collection . I guess it was about 77-78 ? Pomeroy rode it .
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Post by: Stan S on February 25, 2010, 09:41:25 pm: Gday Walter, I think that was the Bultaco 1975 Mk 8.

p.s. do you remember the night your cousin told me to put my money where my mouth was and you had to lend me an SR500 engined Wasp to race the current world Champion with?????
Stan
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Post by: Hornet on February 25, 2010, 09:50:50 pm: Stan , YES it was a Bultaco . A blue and white one sticks to my mind .

Regarding the SR in the Wasp , when and where did deal go down ? I would be interested to know , it may trigger some memories .
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Post by: Stan S on February 25, 2010, 09:57:19 pm: It would have been about 1984 Ballarat Rovers club rooms about 3am after lots of beer and I would have thought not too many years after your Jag had an altercation with some trees.

Stan.
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Post by: Hornet on February 25, 2010, 10:06:37 pm: moore information please , the Jag nearly made it to the clubrooms and that was in 84
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Post by: Stan S on February 25, 2010, 10:10:43 pm: You did say recently that we should have improved our corner speed by now. As Neil Crompton the commentator that day said "I will just turn the page on the calendar and get a lap time on the 2 guys riding Walters bike."

Stan.
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Post by: Hornet on February 25, 2010, 10:19:32 pm: Now the penny dropped , you are the man that sold me the IT 175 , my first bike in australia . Are you still a member of the Rovers ?
I might consider stirring up the pot at a club meeting underway to Broadford . Still Thursday nights ?
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Post by: Stan S on February 25, 2010, 10:30:56 pm: Quite possibly but I can't remember that. But how many people have excepted a challenge from Emil Bollhalder ( 1984 World Sidecar Champion) at 3am to race him?
Anyway Walter we hope to catch up soon.

Stan.
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Post by: Stan S on February 25, 2010, 10:34:52 pm: Quote from: Walter on February 25, 2010, 10:19:32 pm
Now the penny dropped , you are the man that sold me the IT 175 , my first bike in australia . Are you still a member of the Rovers ?
I might consider stirring up the pot at a club meeting underway to Broadford . Still Thursday nights ?

Yes Walter, still a life member and still Thursday nights except the last one of the month which is a social night.
I will send you my phone number in a PM.

Stan.
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Post by: Hornet on February 25, 2010, 10:40:19 pm: Yeea the last one of the month . Thats exactly what happen at CD 4 . Trying to find the clubrooms after 15 years and 10 hours driving the truck and trailer from dusty Adelaide only to find out a note , " gone bowling "
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Post by: Stan S on February 25, 2010, 10:49:23 pm: Just as well you still had a sense of humour Walter :D :D :D

Hey Graeme sorry for hijacking your thread. I think they must be joking about the reserve price of the Monty.

Stan.
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Post by: mx250 on February 25, 2010, 10:56:34 pm: Quote from: Stan S on February 25, 2010, 10:49:23 pm
Just as well you still had a sense of humour Walter :D :D :D

Hey Graeme sorry for hijacking your thread. I think they must be joking about the reserve price of the Monty.

Stan.
There's a bid at $1000 which surprises me ::). If it's got a good strong motor a $1000 might be reasonable but I wouldn't be bidding unless I knew ;). But anyway appreciating prices is good for all of us who have a garage full of old shite ;D.
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Post by: hitatreeonce on February 26, 2010, 08:28:22 pm: Whats the pipe off it aint the montesa one thats for sure they go thru the frame over the top of the airbox on that model
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Post by: mx250 on February 26, 2010, 10:15:57 pm: Quote from: hitatreeonce on February 26, 2010, 08:28:22 pm
Whats the pipe off it aint the montesa one thats for sure they go thru the frame over the top of the airbox on that model
No, it's a Monty pipe. Here another but very similar model. Essentially the same but plastic tank and a very cosmetic differences.

I can't follow the chronological progression of these enduro models. This seems to be a VR based frame which went fibreglass tank to a plastic tank and then the VB based frame also went fibreglass tank to a plastic tank, all around the same time or currently. And they all called H6.

(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/montesa/79montesa_h6.jpg)

(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/montesa/enduro360h679cmaslg6.jpg)(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/montesa/e360h6-81.jpg)
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Post by: Stan S on February 27, 2010, 10:30:43 am: Hi Graeme, I may be wrong but this looks more like a 1977 model that had a down pipe as per this pic.

Regards Stan.

(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af39/gf079/Gregs%20pictures/endur250h6.gif)
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Post by: All Things 414 on February 27, 2010, 10:39:51 am: '79 should have the twin cradle frame (centreport motor)
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Post by: mx250 on February 27, 2010, 12:52:02 pm: Quote from: Stan S on February 27, 2010, 10:30:43 am
Hi Graeme, I may be wrong but this looks more like a 1977 model that had a down pipe as per this pic.

Regards Stan.

(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af39/gf079/Gregs%20pictures/endur250h6.gif)
I agree this is close to '77. It and the ebay bike and the yellow one I would say are very close relatives with a side port motor and a VR based frame with LTR. But subtle differences. Either they went through three very close models 6 months apart or they produced the side port and centre port motors concurrently, which seems strange to me.
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Post by: Mick D on February 27, 2010, 01:47:00 pm: best of both worlds for Ross

Your got to be kidding, EBAY YAMONTY (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Motorbikes-parts_W0QQitemZ260560110743QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3caa97c497) ???
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Post by: All Things 414 on February 27, 2010, 02:41:57 pm: Apparently it's a Maico motor ???.

This here is the VB enduro (all be it a 360).

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/montesa-360-enduro_W0QQitemZ270538351024QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Motorcycles?hash=item3efd57a1b0
Title: Re: They're Coming out of the Woodwork.
Post by: mx250 on February 27, 2010, 04:45:45 pm: Quote from: All Things 414 on February 27, 2010, 02:41:57 pm
Apparently it's a Maico motor ???.

This here is the VB enduro (all be it a 360).

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/montesa-360-enduro_W0QQitemZ270538351024QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Motorcycles?hash=item3efd57a1b0

:o :o :o Just my point - more of them!!!!
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Post by: mx250 on March 04, 2010, 07:36:22 am: Bloody Hell, here's another three Monties on EvilPay. I tell you, more Monties per number produced/sold here in Oz have survived compared to any other brand :o ;).

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Montesa-King-Scorpion_W0QQitemZ120538050540QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Motorcycles?hash=item1c10a0afec

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Montesa-360-H6-Enduro_W0QQitemZ120538053724QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Motorcycles?hash=item1c10a0bc5c

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MONTESA-KING-SCORPION_W0QQitemZ230444540321QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Motorcycles?hash=item35a790a1a1
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Post by: All Things 414 on March 04, 2010, 10:39:27 am: They're not real Monties.... :-X
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Post by: Stan S on March 04, 2010, 12:53:59 pm: What do you class as a Real Monty 414

Stan
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Post by: Freakshow on March 04, 2010, 02:49:14 pm: more survived cause they all got parked, peices of crap...............

Hey NImmo that H6 i had here for a while and flogged to that bloke was the same as the yellow one except the up and over exited on the left side. Maybe they were just using up bits they had left over, and every bike was parts bin unique .............
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Post by: mx250 on March 04, 2010, 04:26:23 pm: Quote from: Freakshow on March 04, 2010, 02:49:14 pm
more survived cause they all got parked, peices of crap...............
Now off you go and get your distemper shots. ;) ;D.
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Post by: All Things 414 on March 04, 2010, 05:07:42 pm: Quote from: Stan S on March 04, 2010, 12:53:59 pm
What do you class as a Real Monty 414
Only the Cappra's. All of them!
(Oh and the H7's)
And their BMX bikes are pretty cool too...... ;)

Quote from: Freakshow on March 04, 2010, 02:49:14 pm
Maybe they were just using up bits they had left over, and every bike was parts bin unique .............

That's probably close to the truth. More likely yours had a dodgy pipe on it Freaky..... ;)