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Marketplace => Wanted => Topic started by: TT on January 28, 2010, 09:16:00 pm
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I'm after the following:
A good, running PE250T engine along with all ancillaries i.e. carby, ignition, pipe etc
A '79 RM250N frame, fuel tank, seat & side covers. Or a complete rolling frame.
Will also consider PE250T front end, wheels and swingarm.
All prefereably in very good order, but will consider anything.
Cash waiting.
Email, pm or phone me on 0410 504 815 with what you've got, price and location.
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Tony,
Pe T and X are very much the same bike, main difference being T has a bash plate and X have wings 99.9% of parts will interchange ;) and both these bikes share a lot in common with the Rm of previous year.
They do pop up on a regular basis quite cheap, main point to look for is crack in frame above above LHS foot peg - MOTOR's chain rash in front of sprocket.
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There was a rolling 82 250 Z down at Two Wheel Recyclers at Hackam which is also the same. not sure they still have it though. was pretty rough but had complete motor.
Any particular reason you want the PE-N front end instead of the T? Do you want the non full width hub?
Also any particlular reason you need 79 RM frame? 80 RM250/400 frame will also work too.
Others are going to have to chime in here as to whether the 79 PE swing arm fits 79 RM frame which had an alloy swingarm. The RM was usually a year ahead development wise of the PE.
On the front rims take a real good look at them for cracks if your hoping to use the rim. Its very common for them to crack at the weld join which is under the takasakgo stickers.
Engine and electrics are all the same for 80-82 except for minor differences on some 82 parts like different clutch (plates same though) and kickstart drive gear all which the T/X superceded to anyway, so its all interchangeable and all 3 can be considered the same with just refinements and improvements over 3 years. Theres often this stuff on ebay so its not exactly impossible to find although if you want the exact Australian spec stator and flyhwheel that will be more difficult. Other model stuff can me made to work and you can build up stators using new primary and pulsar coils onto an old stator plate. Its not as much of a drama as others will make it out to be. Nothing is impossible there.
Carby is the same as found on the 400 except for jetting differences. They are just a 36mm VM mikuni. You might want to consider a new one which are not that expensive off ebay and then just jet to your required specs.
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Maybe I should come clean now..............
I want to build an "RS250". ;D
After much research, I've established that it is an RM250N frame, seat, tank and side covers, PE250T engine and PE250T wheels and forks. Sorry Leith, I meant PE250T front end with the full width hub.
Thanks for the info, boys.
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Hi Tony Rs I thought they were more a playbike like not a full blown PE or RM somewhere inbetween I spose it would be cheaper to make one than to buy one from US not that they sell for mega$ over there just shipping it back so if it were a rm-n frame were they non complianced thanks Michael.
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Ok that makes sense. I will hunt down my RS articles then. I was pretty sure the 1980 RS250 T had DR400 T forks (US model) well thats what one article says. Alpha Sports and the Zedder cross ref program will be handy for you. Your lucky the rubber tail lights are still available brand new for about $29US and the rectangle headlights are not too hard to find either.
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Yep DR400T inner and lower forks with RS guts
Lower triple clamps...
DR400t, DR500x,z
PE175t,x - 250t,x - 400t,x
rs 175t,x,z - 250t,x
Top clamps same as above PE and RS
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RM250N frame and RS250T frame.....courtesy of Alpha-sports.com ;)
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa250/hjcoupe/rmrsframe.jpg)
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Ok assuming those pics are right in the parts book, the frame you would want then is a 80-82 PE250/400 frame and then you just need to cut the rear loop off. To be strictly right you would prefer to have the 1980 frame because the 81/82 has extra frame rails underneath instead of a bash plate that would need chopping off. The only other difference on 81/82 is a extra muffler mounting hole. The Australian PE's have battery box brackets and a rectifier bracket. All which can be chopped off to turn a PE frame into a RS frame. You also have the bonus factor of being able to register it then ;) The PE frame is the same as the RS below. Note the difference on the left side compared to 79 RM. I believe this was only done like this to better accomodate the PE battery, otherwise they would have just used the RM frame. I will have a look for some of my aritcles specifically on the RS250T tonight.
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Ok lets try PE250T frame and RS250T............courtesy of Alpha-Sports.com again.
Looks like you are onto a winner there LWC82PE......and suddenly the price of PE frames just went up on here for poor old Tony T ;D ;D ;D ;D
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa250/hjcoupe/peandrsframe.jpg)
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http://www.suzukicycles.org/photos/RS-brochurer/1980_RS175-250_ad_USA_800.jpg (http://www.suzukicycles.org/photos/RS-brochurer/1980_RS175-250_ad_USA_800.jpg)
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That's great fellas, thanks!
The article I have clearly states that the forks are off PE250N and the frame is RM. But the part numbers don't lie!. ;D
I think a little more research on my part may be in order. :-\
Thanks for that link too, caps.
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PE250N forks only show up suiting PE175C,N and PE250C,N and no RS'
I still reckon this would be a fun project just for the hell of it and like LWC82PE said....PE frame = rego
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Yeah, I think it should be reasonably easy to achieve and a cheap Vinduro bike.
I've just been trawling the parts diagrams and the only exact match is the side covers which are PE250T.
Anyone fitted an RM tank and seat to a PE? How's it fit?
FWIW here's the '81 version.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1063360/1981-Suzuki-RS250X.jpg)
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no problems tony hopefully it helps
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Take a hard look at frame on LHS boys at rear ....look for Rm tag to mount guard - extra gusset ( because frame loop has been cut ) I think the PE x has gusset ???
Putting an Rm tank on a PE looks pox unless you have the seat to match .
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All, my PE 250s 80-82 have that gusset i think your referring too.
The RS seat looks like its just an RM one with different cover. Yes RM tank will fit PE frame and the seat should too.
RS front wheel is same as PE175 T/X and also DR400T USA and possibly DR500 X too?
you can use any 80-82 PE 250/400 or 80/81 PE175 rim. They are all the same dimensionally except 81/82 has bigger spoke nipple holes and the rim material is different. You can take a PE250/400 front wheel and remove the 150mm hub and fit the 130mm PE175/DR400 hub and then you will have a RS wheel. Basically the only difference between the 150 and 130mm brakes is the spokes are longer for the 130mm hub. If you can find a complete PE175 front wheel that will save swapping hubs/spokes etc. All the full width wheels fit any of the 36mm forks. PE250/400 T/X forks are identical. 82 250/400 are dimensionally and externally the same but different inside. The 175's use the same sliders and chrome legs but i think the springs are different. You could get away with PE forks if you couldnt find the specific RS/DR forks. I think they are virtually the same anyway but There is some minor differences..... ahh yes i remember now, the RS forks are unique, the chrome legs have a thicker wall than the PE fork legs and they dont have air fork caps.
By the way the RS shocks are unique too. I dont know how you will find those. You will probably have to make do with PE ones but even those are hard to find. Ive been looking for 4 years for original PE250 shocks.
Ok i hope i havent confused you too much there.
The look of the RS appeals to me but i figure just fitting that rear guard to a PE would achieve that look for me.
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Rear guard , looks more Rm ish and could be by looks of frame tags. Note tag for air box LHS omitted
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according to the parts book the RS air box is the same as PE250. Wouldnt be an issue to add a bracket if its missing though.
rear fender is listed for RS only but that is only because it comes drilled for the tail light other than that its just a RM250 T fender.
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All very good info, thanks gentlemen.
I was sitting here thinking about it and remembered that I got a DR400T front end with some SP bits I bought years ago. Just went and had a look and it's in excellent shape. New fork seals and a tyre is all it needs! ;D
I think I'm onto a running but rough PE250T too. Which would be the best place to start for this project I think.
I'm not too stressed about making it totally perfect, so I'm thinking a PE with RM tank, seat, guards, lights and stickers might be ok to start with.
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If they are the USA DR400 T forks and not the DR400 ST forks then they will be the right ones.
so it shuld be like this with the extra overhang under the axle
(http://www.vintagefactory.com/DR5.jpg)
I actually got a NOS one of these hubs today.
If you have any more questions just ask because one of us here should be able to answer it. It should be a really easy bike to build.
By the way ive got some RS sales brochures somewhere too. Not 100% sure if i have 250 though.
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By the way the RS shocks are unique too. I dont know how you will find those. You will probably have to make do with PE ones but even those are hard to find. Ive been looking for 4 years for original PE250 shocks.
eBay 310133374525
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Ah, crap. I reckon they're DR400ST forks, then.
Oh well.................. I'm pretty sure I won't get pulled up by the RS250 police for it. :D
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im pretty sure the DR - ST forks will not have enough travel and be long enough. They also wont look very good on the bike with the short length under the axle. Those sort of forks look really trail bikey or SP like :) Theres plenty of PE250/400 forks out there that will look right. I think i might even know someone who has some.
Well there you go, theres some shocks. although look at how the springs are fitted (wrong way around) ::) Id ask them for the part number which is stamped on the shock body to be 100% sure they are RS.
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Jesus what numbnut assembled those shocks :o :o
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heres some rs forks
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RS-250-SUZUKI-1980-RS-250-80-FORKS_W0QQitemZ270368423808QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ef336bf80 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RS-250-SUZUKI-1980-RS-250-80-FORKS_W0QQitemZ270368423808QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ef336bf80)
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Ok, here's what I'll be starting with..............
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1063360/PERS.jpg)
It looks pretty average but allegedly rides well.
I might get away with the frame, front end and engine, but the swingarm and rear wheel will need to be changed.
Anyone got any PE sites I should look at for info?
I'm sure I've seen them on here before, but after a quick look, decided it was easier to ask. :-\
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sell the surplus to Frosty he buys pe parts
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Anyone got any PE sites I should look at for info?
I'm sure I've seen them on here before, but after a quick look, decided it was easier to ask. :-\
http://lukeb1961.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Pure%20Enduro
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More RS bits
http://stores.ebay.com/olywhatnot__W0QQ_fsubZ339454016
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Gees, you found that quick! Any PE stuff I want usually takes 2 or more years to find.
That’s a pretty good starting point.
You might find some RS owners on here in USA
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PEmotorcycles
I don’t know how exact you are going to make it but to make the forks more like RS forks I would removc the air fork caps and fit DR/SP non air fork caps with the flat black rubber caps.
Here is a 82 175 for the general RS look
(http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pea1cvG2IwwgIeaaStpeo7XItBxRsIMFTzlwBVPF3OHbcuMYqYaokj43wrfnFBAI1tXYGqJrTqqTfAI-_QxlxDg/RS175.jpg)
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Thanks again for all the info and links, gentlemen.
I've got spare DR forks here, so I can nick the caps off them.
The hard part might be the swingarm.
It's steel and apparently very much like RM100 but longer.
Might be just as easy to track one down in the U.S. and hope it fits the PE frame. :-\
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here ya go Tony, this was sold on US ebay last year ;)
(http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pI3Vn4AE71_-eTyXEgF_9yKYqsEEVZDUnC-GINrO9wTOhnuk0-4btS2p1ww66iheiTapXaN8NV8zdDVEmzfLOMQ/1980%20RS250T%20Suzuki%20001.jpg)
(http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pvTElztinhaVIPimYFQG7I-4noOH_OvPXiSEw3AsRsF2HDMGGbnzhqLL9jQRR48hUfjPlxhs8Rig9ktgUOPkI0Q/1980%20RS250T%20Suzuki%20002.jpg)
(http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pTZjcQk2hyOgfrd-x2N1DScJ7FP9ImxViys4V5aUwB6lz3_Upwmgtc51nwwWdgaglRVUnq1hc6SeJGWnzNVdpLw/1980%20RS250T%20Suzuki%20003.jpg)
(http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pldwrLtsLyPDYtHIiEElyvAXH2CM5hh7cD26iJlDyd6T7_xllfKK3xvLzWuSGY5vwpoXG4k1mxGnhVgQBg1nQcg/1980%20RS250T%20Suzuki%20004.jpg)
(http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1puPeJvlO9xTlvdCvFPDZRJQn0CA0wP2ioVolP95rb7iF-voK9w2-lMgZ2s7Xrc038hKYtJOyoMLXsyiACHkmzWQ/1980%20RS250T%20Suzuki%20005.jpg)
You've given me another idea with this RS thread. Since I seem to build models suzuki never made (e.g. PE80B, GTS185K, K15MX, TM50R) I'm going to build a 1980 RS100T ;D just need the frame to kick things off ;)
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Thanks Doc. RS pictures are pretty thin on the ground.
Suzuki did make a DS100 and even a DS250 I think. ???
Or was that just the U.S. designation for our TS ER's?
Good luck with an RS100T. ;D
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yeah, they did make the DS series Tony, basically the same deal as the PE vrs RS. The DS was a lesser version of the TS without all the bells and whistles (actually an improvement over the regular TS :D). I don't want the mellow detuned DS traily version, I want to build the full on RM100T powered item based on the RM. When I put together my DS80 recently I decided it could be designated a PE as it's closer to an RM than the DS. Upon reflection it should be designated an RS80 as thats' essentially what it is when I think about it ;) An RS100 big brother makes perfect sense and will help turn some dusty ol' parts into something a little more useful ;)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-2/957706/80.jpg)
now the 80 is all but complete I'll get to work and tart it up somewhat, new seat cover, re-plate the plated items, connect lights and speedo..all the little things that seem to take forever when building things that don't exist ::)
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Can anyone tell me why the RS (and we'll just leave those initials alone) was ever built? I think I remember the same thoughts popping into my head nearly thirty years ago. I mean they had the PE, and the RM. What's it's purpose? ???
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I have an aluminium swingarm for a twin shock PE250 if anyone is interested.
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The RS was built as a 'playbike'. A fairly cheap bike that could 'do it all'. According to a Dirt Bike mag from the time, it was capable of trailriding, enduro if you added a speedo and even novice level motocross.
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Personally I believe Suzuki has always had the best spares backup of any Japanese marque and I also personally believe, whilst there may have been a market for playbikes they had more bleeding spares than they knew what to do with and this seemed an ideal way to get rid of them..unfortunately the business logic may have been correct but in practical terms no-one wanted them ::) I like these obscure models for the simple fact they remind me of my bikes..a piece from here and a piece from there..so long as it's all Suzuki and it bolts together it's all good :D
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The swing arm is specific to the RS but i would say it started off as a early RM or PE one with something added or removed to suit the RS. I have found a lot more pictures but it will take a while to get them on here. There is also a sales ad of the 250 and 175 splashing through water, but im not sure i have a large version of that one.
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Thanks Leith.
I've got an original copy of that advert, so don't worry about that one.
But any other photos would be helpful. :)