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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: TooFastTim on December 12, 2009, 12:03:34 pm
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What are they trying to do?
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2009/12/11/motogp-1000s-in-2012 (http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2009/12/11/motogp-1000s-in-2012)
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On the surface seems a good idea.
The worst thing they did was go to 800cc, 500's were awesome and the 990's were great to watch but the 800's are bland by comparison.
Now all they have to do is piss off the traction control and control tyre and we can have some good dicing again
Just a reminder of what the 990's were about ;D
One if my favorite vids, despite what it says, the track was bone dry!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvsit-R53cU
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Ah, Mick, they don't know what they want. 1000's to 800's (they were warned), then back to 1000's. How much will this cost the factories? And they're already taking a beating. They force Four strokes on MX and price the sport out of the reach of many. Next year we get the 600cc Honda clas instead of the 250 GP class. Aprillia have said "nuts", I don't know about the other boutique teams.
They're mad I tell you.
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Yep I agree, they're off their heads, for all their mucken around with rules they haven't made the racing any better (probably worse) or any cheaper.
The 250's this year and every other year were great, why mess with it ???
Next thing we'll have one standard bike and engine that all the different manufactures bolt their body work to, Nascar style....i can see it coming!
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The whole event has gone downhill with the loss of the 2 strokes on the race track and the controlled stunt burnouts in the streets of Cowes. If they could put as much effort into finding Bin Laden as they have in destroying the fun of the GP then, I'm sure that the world would be a safer place today. Until things change for the better then 2006 will be my last GP sojourn :(
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Not a case of madness, it's those corrupt blazer-wearing Spanish clowns who have surreptitiously snuck in and undermined what was for years the greatest sport of all....now reduced to a circus based around a selfish Italian poof, upon whose continued involvement the whole movement is dependent. Let's see what happens when he FINALLY shoots through, and they have no Plan B.... ::)
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it should all reverse back to the days of just racing bikes, and the F1 cars where a driver bloody drives the car.
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Fireblade engined class for 2013 anyone? This stinks of Honda's self interest again, remember the 800s were in effect just 1 cylinder taken off the 990. I can see the class dying if they get their way as Ducati wouldn't be able to afford the change, Suzuki has gone back to being a sick joke & the team you don't want to race/parade at the back of the feild for, only Yamaha could possibly stay in :-[
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thread hijack: would you like this magazine in your stocking for christmas...in other words is it worth its money. ??? 8)
http://www.cyclenews.com/current-issue
thanks
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If you think so. Most American stuff is available in an online equivalent these days, and by now you'd be struggling to get USPS to whiz it to Collie in time for Xmas. Plus the additional hazard of clearing all those reindeer droppings off your roof, mate.... ;)
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Fireblade engined class for 2013 anyone?
Tony? Is that Tony27 from TC?
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....now reduced to a circus based around a selfish Italian poof, upon whose continued involvement the whole movement is dependent.
Ain't that the truth.
On the surface the proposed formula seems a bit daft, but with the 81mm max bore size(min stroke 48.5), max 4 cylinders, the 6 engines per year and spec tyre, underneath lies a tricky technical challenge(bore limits revs, tyre limits HP and 6 engines limits making 300km engines). Max bore will rule out ultra short stroke high reving engines, safe mean piston speeds of around 25m/s will have a rev ceiling of 14,000 and pushing the envelope 29 m/s 15,700 or so. Want to push the boundries you run the risk of having to cop a penalty for an engine swap.The low rev ceiling will not make pneumatic valves necessary when steel and Ti will do perfectly. The max bore rule side steps WSBK's legal threats as none of the current 1000cc road bikes have 81 X 48.5 configuration only the BMW with an 80mm bore comes close.So a production engine case could be used but with alterations to bore and stroke.
The engine should be fairly torquy and not so reliant on gps/gyro maps(but they will have them anyway) and should restore the tyre smoking action of the past, overtaking should be easier too.
Manfacturers will go for it as this is a good way to justify R&D budgets, more HP longer lasting components.The engineers will have to find new materials and coatings to gain the extra 1000rpm that will make the difference. Sadly only factories will have that sort of budget, so expect more of the same.
Will be interesting to see who gets on top of it first, I say Ducati will. No doubt the simulators are running and Solidworks models are on the go................... ;D
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Guilty as charged TFT :)
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Didn't know you had a twinshock fetish Tony. Send my love to Kev and I must give Pete & Ian a bell. Spoke the Chris Birch the other day and he's off to the SSDT, dunno whether he's riding.
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TFT,got a 73 CZ hidden in the garage & rode the beta importers ty250c at Kaikoura this year, planning on doing the aussie titles with it in the next couple of years. Little bit more sorting then some practise & it'll be good
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The 250's this year and every other year were great, why mess with it ???
Next thing we'll have one standard bike and engine that all the different manufactures bolt their body work to, Nascar style....i can see it coming!
GP2 the replacement for 2 strokes is exactly that, engine is sealed 600cc Honda from HRC and chassis is open to all. So bikes will be on same tyres and engines but different chassis. This gives small builders a real shot and also gets some guys back from Super bikes. Grid is fully booked with and excess of entries.
The 2 stroke is as dead as mutton with 125s finishing as well.
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Well GP privateer luminary and RED BULL Yamaha team manager, Peter Clifford has different veiw to yours Marc and so has the FIM President. Peter gives an excellent synopsis of just how far down the gurglar Moto Crappy has gone, Moto2 and Moto whatever it is's going to be to follow very shortly after.
Pt 1 (http://www.motomatters.com/interview/2009/12/20/peter_clifford_interview_part_1_there_s_.html)
Pt 2 (http://www.motomatters.com/interview/2009/12/21/peter_clifford_interview_part_2_the_priv.html)
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Hey Lozza interesting read, but he doesn't pan the Moto2 rules as such, it is not prototype racing thats all, and like I said they are mobbed with builders so I think the first season will rock.
Dorna asked for TZs and is about to get them. Effectively it is a return to an era of production racers.
MotoGP will remain the premier class with thankfully a return to 1000cc rather than bloody 800s which everyone wanting to watch the fastest bike on earth had a psychological problem relating to 800s. Proper bikes are at least 1000cc.
i just see more of a progression now from junior ranks to production to superbikes to GP that had somehow slipped through the cracks. I have been to the HRC cup a few times, lots of rabid 10 year olds on NSF100s, 2 strokes are no longer built and are history. The Japanese have junior MotoGP series with hundreds of potential Vales who will have 6 years of racing 4 strokes under their belts by the time the ACU wakes up.
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The Dennis Noyes articles point out the new dynamic, the MSMA(Japan Inc) no longer calls the shots, if the factories up and leave then then fine. With no more 'blue sky' engineering and big financial losses in Japan means the FIM and Dorna call the tune.
If the FIM/Dorna want 2T 125s to stay they will(highly likely because of the massive Euro 125 market and 125's have been dominated by Euro manufacturers), there hasn't been a decent 125 out of Japan since the Aprilia come along, the Moriwaki's MD250's raced here this year have been friggin slow, and if they are slow at National level imagine how slow they would be at International level. Show me a 4T 250 that has 55HP?
As many kids racing in Japan they is 10 times that racing in Spain and Italy on 25HP Metrakit 80's and 15HP 50cc minimoto's. Situation is the same as Karts, internationaly karts are not changing to 4T and probably never will, but every F1 driver will begin in karts.
Wouldn;t say this is a glowing endorsement................
MM: Have you been following the Moto2 developments?
PC: To a degree, yes.
MM: What do you think of the concept - apart from its sensitivity to political interference?
PC: Well it's not Grand Prix racing, is it?
MM: Because it's got a spec engine?
PC: Yes, exactly. It's a cup. You know, we've got the Rookies' Cup, and now the Moto2 Cup. What it is, if you have such a thing at a national level, it's fantastic, because it does allow people to go racing, build bikes. In many, many respects it's great, but it's not a Grand Prix class.
Dennis Noyes Pt 1 (http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-keep-it-simple-stupid-part-1/)
Pt 2 (http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-1000cc-for-2012-or-even-2011-pt-2/)
Pt 3 (http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-1000cc-for-2012-or-even-2011-pt-3/)