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Marque Remarks => Spaniards (Bultaco, Ossa, Montesa etc) => Topic started by: TT on November 12, 2009, 09:15:57 am
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Can anyone offer an opinion on this bike, please?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110453596241&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110453596241&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
Good or bad model? Price? etc
Thanks in advance. :)
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A pig in a poke ;).
You really don't know how big a prob it will be. The gear box and bottom end would be my worry. I'll take his word on the top end.
If one gear has gone I would be sussing the others. They are easy to work on but getting the parts might be an issue. The good news is that a wide range of parts over many years will fit.....but time and fiddling. Ditto bottom end.
Lectron carb are great carbs when set up right but getting them set right is another issue. Parts are still available but experience, expertise and advise might be hard to come by. And its not OEM. Where's me Bing.
Check for OEM Amal controls/levers.
Airbox needs to be replaced - available from Jared SW Montesa but by time you get box, cage, filter, connecting rubber and postage don't expect much change out of $250.
New plastic are available. DC 'race' plastics about $200. Good correct NOS stuff with well defined logos in plastics somewhere between $500 and unobtainium - good luck.
Rear shox could be OEM; condition? If shot race shox $1000+.
For my money I reckon $500-1000. I would rather buy Ross's well sorted 414. I don't know how much he wants for it but he'll probably give it away shortly - he's been struck by a dreadful virus that has turned his blood blue; we don't expect him to be with us much longer :'(. That Yamahopping overweight overpowered dinosaur will buck him off and stomp all over him ;) ;D.
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Thanks Graeme.
I'm not seriously chasing as yet, but I'm working on getting another pre 78/80 racer. I get very few weekends off, but for the rare times that I do, I'd like to have a bike available instead of all the trail bikes and postie bikes that I have now.
This bike attracted me because it is local and the first motocross bike I ever rode was a Montesa. I need to keep the purchase price down a bit, but I don't want a money pit either. I've got enough old Mercs that fit that description............... :-\
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all old bikes are money pits what ever way you look at it , and i can understand why ross changed his racer considering yz 465 parts are more readily avail and cheaper to get than 550 dollar pistons for the old 414
must people are budget racers and carnt afford to buy purpose built racers for 5 ,6,7, 10 k ,they can only afford to do it it bit by bit ,so i recond if you have the time and money it would make a good bike eventually ,with a wad or two thrown at it ,and spare parts would keep you broke as well .
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Mmmmm......... another opinion...........
That's exactly my situation, Paul.
I'm about to spend one of those big wads you mentioned on one of my cars, so the plan is to do it just as you say, bit by bit.
Maybe there are better options out there. I'm in no hurry.
I do like the idea of a European bike though............ ???
Thanks for your input mate.
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mabee some other could thow some light on what they think would make a good pre 78/80 project bike for you
i just say maico if it was up to me but there more than one or 2 wads off cash there , ross has a nice vr 250 he,s thinking off moveing .now he,s gone japanese
i think i have a pic off it some were/////////// nope deleted it sorry
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Does anyone know if VR or V75 gearbox parts will interchange with that VB? The shocks aren't original as the '78's have remote reservoir Bilsteins standard. You can see the brackets on the subframe in the photo's. If it were local I'd be looking at it. They are good bikes. I've probably got some pre'78 project bikes Tony.
Cheers,
K
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Thanks Big.
All I know at this stage is that I'd like a European Pre 78 bike and I'm partial to Husqvarna, Montesa and Maico.
I guess this eBay bike wouldn't be pre 78 legal? I wouldn't get to race it very much at all, but if I do, I'd like it to be in Pre 78.
I've just started to look and so haven't nailed down a budget for initial purchase as yet. I'll send you an email.
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Tony...You've sealed your fate by being a Mercedes Benz owner. Imagine the joy of turning up at the track, dressed in stylish buttock hugging Lederhosen and Tyrolian style hat, a '77 AW440 Maico on the trailer behind the classic Merc (preferably a tasty matching red '77 450SLC) Wagnerian opera blaring from the Blaupunkt CD player and an esky full of Dortmunder DAB lager, a nice little Liebfraumilch and some Weiswurst and Saurkraut for the post race soiree. The pit tootsies will melt!
As the Klub Kevlar motto says........It's all about style!
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I guess this eBay bike wouldn't be pre 78 legal?
Even the virtually identical 1977 VB is not pre '78 legal ::) :o :( :-[ :-\ :-X :'(.
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Imagine the joy of turning up at the track, dressed in stylish buttock hugging Lederhosen and Tyrolian style hat, a '77 AW440 Maico on the trailer behind the classic Merc (preferably a tasty matching red '77 450SLC) Wagnerian opera blaring from the Blaupunkt CD player and an esky full of Dortmunder DAB lager, a nice little Liebfraumilch and some Weiswurst and Saurkraut for the post race soiree. The pit tootsies will melt!
Sadly Mark, I can imagine just that........... :-\
:D :D :D
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did nt tony say pre 80 sorta pre 78 ,somewere there abouts
quote I'm not seriously chasing as yet, but I'm working on getting another pre 78/80 racer.
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Yeah I did, but I really would prefer pre '78.
However, if a '79 model pops up at the right price, I'd have to give it some thought.
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If that bike was a little cheaper or it didn't have the gearbox problem (which I'm sure won't be anything big. Probably something to do with the shitty Monty gear selector system...) then I'd be snapping it up as I think with little work it'd be a great bike. ;)
I know the VR/V75 gearbox is way different to the VB 360 (yes I know it's a four speed but overall design is different) so I'd hazard a guess that the VB 250 would be different to the VR/V75 as well..... :-\
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The VR transmission will work in the VB 250, if you swap the entire transmission. (no mix and match!)
You can also fit the VA 360 4 speed trans into the 250 cases. Done this on a couple 250 and it works
great. These day's who gets into 5th anyway on most of the tracks. Many of the 5 speeds do have problems
with jumping out of gear and the like, mainly because they are wearing out instead of blowing up like some other makes.
There is a solution, but not a cheap one. (about $275.) which involves fitting the detent system from the VE, VF or VG 250.
The shocks on the Ebay bike are Boge Muhollands. The 78' VB came with Betor remote resevoir units.
Also, 414 piston kits are in the $225.USD range. $400+ is Maico country :)
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:D i carnt believe ross would tell pork pies about piston prices ::)
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How can a 1977 model bike which was available from Dec 1976 not be legal for pre 78? I thought that if the front and rear travel was reduced to the stupid 9" rule the same as required on Maico's and Husky's then they are OK and even the '78 VB is considered a carry over model?
Not trying to start another one of those long political threads but I have seen VB's in photo's from Viper pre78 and watched them race in Heaven.
It would seems completely stupid (the rule that is) to say a bike built only from Oct (I think) 1976 to Nov 1977 could be excluded from pre 78 VMX.
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Great information fellas. Thanks.
The MA rule book states for Pre 78 "Montesa models King Scorpion & Cappra VR 250 V-75, VA & Enduro 250H (VB models see the Grand Prix classes)"
Can anyone tell me what 'See the Grand Prix classes' means?
If this bike on eBay is pre '78 legal (which would surprise me) I'll have a more serious look.
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It seems I don't have any pre '78 Euro bikes in the shed Tony after all. It will be legal for pre '78 at club level anywhere, but if you want to go to a National meeting (who would ant the head f#$k/) you will have to put travel restrictors into limit it to 9". If you get it and did indeed need gearbox parts, I can most likely help.
Cheers,
K
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Thanks K.
So are you saying that you think a '78 250VB would be pre 78 legal with travel restrictors?
If I think realistically, the chances of me getting to anything but club meetings up the road from me are low. So maybe I just go with a cool old bike and worry less about cut off dates etc. If/when I get the chance, I worry about what class it fits into then.
Sorry for all the dumb questions. I'm new to this Euro bike thing. ;)
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My understanding is the same as BigK. It seems silly that you have to reduce the travel in a bike designed in 1976 to fit into its class but their you go ??? The '77 and '78 VB's are almost identical. Minor differences of improved (larger) silencer, rear frame loop over the rear guard removed and some markets had the tank stripes a different colour although from memory Australia had the same colour stripes both years. everything else is the same. There are relatively moderate changes for the '79 VE and even my '80 VF model is very similar.
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Someone grab it. They're a darn good bike IMO
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If someone wants it at $1500, go for it. I'm also more than happy to go to Adelaide to collect and store it for you.
But if it doesn't sell, I'll get in contact with him and go and have a look. I'd go a grand or $1200 for it maybe.
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If someone wants it at $1500, go for it. I'm also more than happy to go to Adelaide to collect and store it for you.
But if it doesn't sell, I'll get in contact with him and go and have a look. I'd go a grand or $1200 for it maybe.
Hang tuff. I reckon you could get it for $1000 or less, which I reckon is more than fair. The gearbox probs will have buyers staying away in droves ;) ;D (a.k.a. Theory A ::) - well it is EvilPay and strange things happen).
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tony it sounds like its just rounded the dogs in
second gear easy fix just get them undercut
its on the money they were a good handling bike
when i went from my vb360 to VF414 i prefered
the 360 :o
(much to ross"s disgust) ;D ;D ;D
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its on the money they were a good handling bike
when i went from my vb360 to VF414 i prefered
the 360 :o
Was that 'back in the day' or more recently? And why? What did you prefer about the 360? (I have a curiosity and a vested reason ;))
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maybe because it was ron dinsdales old bike
(back in the day) power was better and i think from memory they turned better than vf
when i got my vg250 it was better again but lacked horsepower
compered to rm250z s
wish i still had them all :'( :'(
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Tony...You've sealed your fate by being a Mercedes Benz owner. Imagine the joy of turning up at the track, dressed in stylish buttock hugging Lederhosen and Tyrolian style hat, a '77 AW440 Maico on the trailer behind the classic Merc (preferably a tasty matching red '77 450SLC) Wagnerian opera blaring from the Blaupunkt CD player and an esky full of Dortmunder DAB lager, a nice little Liebfraumilch and some Weiswurst and Saurkraut for the post race soiree. The pit tootsies will melt!
As the Klub Kevlar motto says........It's all about style!
I knew I'd find this photo sooner or later. :D :D
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-7/1342488/123w-bikesweb.jpg)
Yeah, the bike's a KTM and the car's a diesel, but it's still got a certain amount of style. ;)
Thanks again for all the advice fellas!
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(much to ross"s disgust) ;D ;D ;D
I turn my back on you all........ :(
When I was trying to get 414 pistons about three years ago, the only place I could get them was from Spain. With the dollar and postage it was costing me over $400.00 to get a piston! :'( (hence why I bought the whole set! ;))
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benadicht arnold , mr montesa
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Thanks again for all the info fellas, the VB didn't sell so I've emailed him to see if he'll negotiate.
We'll see.............. ;)
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Seems he won't drop the price on this one, so I guess I'll have to look elsewhere.
Thanks everyone for all the advice though.
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Seems he won't drop the price on this one, so I guess I'll have to look elsewhere.
Thanks everyone for all the advice though.
His prerogative but ya can tell him 'he's dreamin' ;).