OzVMX Forum
Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: buzzmond on October 30, 2009, 02:49:18 pm
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Hi VMXer's, ever have a deal go bad on you? No doubt we all have had one. Anyhow, to get to the pointy end in this story, I'm still waiting (say 2-3 months) on some items to be delivered to me from a regular (legend, what a joke) on this site. I was shorted changed on the original deal with missing parts. That is, I believe he misrepresented the parts that he was selling. The dirty dog said he would post the items in question to me. I can get stuff sent to me from all over the world without a problem, but I can not get a simple package from Melbourne. The dirty dog can not offer me proof of postage so I can only conclude that the package was never sent. I have not been offered any type of resolution to my problem, except silence. I am sure he will start screaming shortly. Screaming innocence.
D-Day is today to get the stuff to me. He was informed that I would start a post on this site for his benefit :). I have all the email correspondence to back up my claims, it is just a shame he is not a man of his word or email in this case. So if there are any bush lawyers out there who wish to act as a judicator in this case, feel free to type away. I have not decided what is the best way to share my email correspondence. If you have any ideas on this please let me know. Stay tuned, the dirty dog will be exposed for what he is-someone that you can not trust to do business with. By now you would have guessed that I am not a happy chappy. Tick Tock Tick Tock time is running out for my stuff to arrive in the post.
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Sorry to hear of your aggravation Buzz and if you are right it is indeed "a shame he is not a man of his word or email".
I'll leave to the 'other Graeme', the owner of the site, to make decisions and policies for the forum but it is not the purpose of the forum to 'out' anyone or to 'name and shame'. There are also legal restraints and liabilities on all concern including the 'other Graeme'.
Its a free country and the internet and this forum are free and free ranging, but please proceed with caution and only after taking a deep breath and counting to ten ;) :D.
I only hope the forum member concerned takes this as a cue to your deep concerns and frustrations and hastens to rectify the situation a.s.a.p.
Good luck.
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yep - Graeme will make the call - but I agree - name and shame - had my own share of run ins with wankers like this! As you say though - just be sure of the facts!
Rossco
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its no different than other threads were we name bodgy ebay sellers
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its no different than other threads were we name bodgy ebay sellers
Yes there is - I think this can be more personal and more damaging for everyone concerned including the forum itself. We can live through the occasional shitfight and fur flailing hissy attack but we don't want it to become a battlefield ::). Proceed with caution.
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caution has never been a stong point
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caution has never been a stong point
Nor mine, except where I can remain objective - which is why I offered the advise to someone 'fired up' and emotionally involved.
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sounds like you have given him enough time to fix this, out him i hate being ripped off
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two sides to a story ..let the accused come in under another forum name and have his/her say..
Jury's still out 8)
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Shit. Haven't I posted that box of crutchless panties yet?...... ::)
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Constrain you'r self ......before it get's ugly
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This sounds like fun.
Shit. Haven't I posted that box of crutchless panties yet?
How many are there to a box ???
Noel
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have had time to think on it i think there must be 2 sides too every cock and bull story
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To give you a hint, he has not replied to this post. Hopefully he will pull his finger out and do the right thing.
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To give you a hint, he has not replied to this post. Hopefully he will pull his finger out and do the right thing.
The plot thickens ::) :D.
Email to make sure he knows it's happening ;) ;D.
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If you are 101% sure that you have been ripped I think name the prick. I see this sort of thing in business all the time and 9 out of 10 times the pricks walk away with no repucutions
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OK, here's the deal. I know how bloody annoying it is having someone stuff you around on a deal. But... I have no idea how legit your claims are. I also haven't heard the other side of the story. Now, I am not one for hiding behind anonymity and have always been reasonably open with how this forum goes. But. I have also had my share of accusations and threats of legal action.
So, I am not entirely comfortable with your plan. Outing a person from eBay who conducts a legitimate business but who is failing his customers is one thing. Making allegations against someone for a private deal gone wrong is another. It's my view that such a thing is between you and him. I certainly have no plans for the forum to become everyone's personal clearing house.
I'm not saying I don't sympathise, and I am not taking the 'other' side. I'm just looking out for my own interests, and those of the 'community'. How about before you do anything rash, you PM me the forum name of the guy concerned and what you allege to have happened, and I'll contact him privately myself for the other side of the story. After which I post a summary of the situation and we ask the forum to decide the course of action.
Howzzat sound?
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Go for it, but as graeme said where ther is one there is 3 more, well that i can think of anyway, say somthing and 10 mins later there emailing legal threats all over the place.
Why dont you host it on another blog site or similar and just put up the link ? that way any defamation content is offsite and its a case of just posting a look what this other site says ??? then let it flame up in there
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If there is going to be a public stoning, could I please put my order in now for a packet of gravel and half a dozen of the pointy ones?
Seriously though Graeme, do you want to get in the middle?
I'd like to know if there's someone dodgy to avoid dealing with, but I have no idea of the legalities of making acusations of a personal nature on a public forum. Tread carefully methinketh.
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Faaaaaaaark if we are gonna have an outing i`ll throw a name in the mix.........
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So Wasp what you are basically saying is that the average vmx`er should send a purchase order with their pissy little plating / painting or whatever job
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Just checked my email ...relief :D it is not me* ...bugger how sweet that could have turned out ::)
*then again I would not be driving 164.65 km to post something from the Melbourne GPO.
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Very qiuick to jump to a conclusion. Buzzmond has 2 posts on the board compared to our legend rip off artist. Make sure the facts are correct, judge Judy would sort it out quicker than 2 to 3 months tho :-*
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I agree if you are going to post this type of thing you need to use real names and supply real documented 'facts' otherwise you're leaving yourself wide open to litigation. Always 3 sides to every story, yours, theirs and the truth that lay somewhere in between. I don't really think the forum is the place for retaliation but I'll go with the majority ;)
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the CIB have just released a identakit pic from cctv footage ,id say it was a queenslander ,they stole classic dirt so ,i wouldnt put any thing past them.
(http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo263/ozmaico/MTT3285lg.jpg)
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Thats bloody funny Paul ;D
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God that's scary. Where can I get one (or a dozen?)
I think this guy's about to make a dick of himself...... ;)
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Hi Wasp. Have you tried to get money out of deads**ts through the legal system. I have it dosn't work. Mine ignored the court then after 6 months declared bankrupt >:( :o.
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Outing somebody on a public forum, whatever their alleged 'crime' is, is straddling a very thin line between creating a get even pay back for the 'outer' and forever marking the 'outee' as dodgy or dishonest, no matter how well he explains his situation. Mud sticks.
I see the cries for the alleged 'dodgy' sellers name be made public may have a some semblence of public good but I fear that most of those calling for his identity are doing it purely for self titilation, a bit of scandal and entertainment at someone elses expense to end an otherwise dull week. Once the feeding frenzy of veangence is over there are no winners. The original poster still hasn't got his part, the person accused of the 'crime' is forever tainted as dodgy and we are no wiser as to who is right and who is wrong.
In the past I've been wrongfully outed on this forum and despite my knowledge of the truth and those within my circle of friends firm belief in my innocence, mud most definitely sticks and some will always believe the other side. I've also been guilty of contributing to previous outing frenzies, something I now regret. Bringing wrongful eBay listings to the forum members attention is one thing but outing the private dealings between two people is, in my opinion, wrong. The OZVMX forum is not the place to air our dirty linen.
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To give you a hint, he has not replied to this post.
I better reply too then, so I can rule myself out :o
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Deal with the issue privately, tell your mates if you want, but I don't think this forum is the place to air such disagreements.
Mike
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I would say that is a bad move buzzmond, there could be many reason's, I mean have you spoken to him in person or on the phone, if he is so well known like you say then you would know his real name from around the meets, its not to hard to then get his number and have a chat,,,well thats the way I would go about it first.
Cheers Mick.
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Buzzmond now post something that is of some genuine enlightenment to forum users. Like what's you restoring? what you got that may help somebodies resto or racer, what classes or competitions you do or intend to ride , secret health and exercise regimes (OK personally that's not bloody usefull... :P) just acknowledge your interest in Vintage/Classic dirtbikes, not set up a Non de Plume just to bag out some personal forum user even if it may seem justified. Tim754 (aka Tim Derrick)
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Firko , I did not put up my post to get the weekend entertainment
I realise that Walter and also know that you do cop more than a fair share of crap from others. I was speaking generally, not specifically about you or anyone in particular.
However, there are some people who get great joy out of seeing others copping shit so why should someones private business become their entertainment? I've had a couple of well followed stoushes with fellow forum members that kept some people entertained for days. No more. If I have a problem with someone I deal with it offline via PMs or phonecalls. My forum criticisms of a certain brand of swingarm was reported to the maker by a forum member purely to spark up a situation for the dobbers entertainment. My very public and ugly dispute with Rick Doughty was also prompted by a certain forum stirrer alerting Mr Doughty and sitting back to watch the resulting fireworks.
As you know, there are no winners in situations like this Walter and I've now learned the hard way to avoid these public confrontations as much as possible. A mate once told my that my biggest problem is that I defend myself to these dicks when I should be ignoring them. Quite possibly you should take the same good advice and take it offline to save yourself any more public grief. Arguing the point and dragging these disputes into a drawn out public shitfest achieves nothing. Buzzmonds evocative post will, mark my words end up in the same bun fight and nothing will be gained except to entertain the few sad cases who love this stuff.
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but Firko - often there are 2 reasons for "outing" somebody. Firstly the personal one - if you have tried all avenues as you have discussed and reached nowhere there aren't too many avenues left - but then should OZVMX be that avenue??? Secondly what about warning others. I was stung by a certain ebay member - advised very politely people to watch out and lo and behold one person didn't take note and was stung exactly the same way - wanting to alert other members is also a point of this type of advice also.
just a thought because it is a very fine line.
Rossco
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Funny.
If it was me that started this thread, I would not have hidden behind a forum name that no one knows . I certainly would not have started another alias to vent this issue. And if I was a newby I would have posted my full name.
If I was the accused, I again would come straight away protesting my innocence . Maybe because I wear my heart on my sleeve, or that if I state something, it SHOULD be how it is. Straight up is how it should be.
Hopefully this is as far as it needs to go and an amicable solution can be reached off line.
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I offered my view on how I thought this needed to go. The concensus opinion seems to agree that this is not the place for this kind of grievance to be aired.
The accused party has contacted me, almost immediately I commented. He hasn't made any claims or statements about what happened, rather he offered to discuss should things continue. So far, that doesn't appear to have happened. It's still my view it's a private matter. So, this thread is closed.