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Marque Remarks => Suzuki => Topic started by: cyclegod on November 26, 2008, 08:49:51 PM
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Well I suppose I had better start this project, I have procrastinated long enough.
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More to come when I have actually done something ;D ;D ;D
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G'day Cyclegod is the frame a TM 125 and my main question is the seat in your photo what is it off and would it fit a 73 TS185 frame as I have a RM50 seat but feel it is to small for the 185 project. jimson
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Excellentttt choice ;D
Whats the swingarm off mate?
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i'm gonna take a guess and say thats a DG swingarm for a MX125.
cool idea CG, looking forward to seeing it unfold.
edit; nup! on 2nd look, i'm wrong
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Excellentttt choice ;D
Whats the swingarm off mate?
Genuine NOS DG swingarm for the TM125
Genuine Tm125 steel seat with new foam and cover from vintage suzuki
Frame is 1974 TM125 (I only have to move one lower engine mount to fit the 185 engine in)
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I love it God! And I'm looking forward to more photos.
I saw the first one of these conversions in about 1975 or 6 parked outside Wgton motorcycle centre. Not long after that my mate with a TS185 wanted more "peaky" type power so we swaped motors and pipes. He seemed happy and I certainly was!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm piecing together my TM125 and I tried to get two of everything so I can make a start on the TM185.
From the posts in the Vinduro thread it looks like there's a few of these around. I'm sticking with the std motor and pipe as I did in the 70's. One of these should be ok in pre75 250 VMX as well.
I'm quite jealous as I won't get much done on mine til after Xmass.
By the way you don't have a spare seat or basee do you? or a TM rear rim, the lipless one with the "eyebrows" around the spoke nipple sockets?
Cheers
Brent
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I sold all my non essential spares as a big job lot back in July ( http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=3135.0 )
I don't have a spare seat or base and I have no wheels either (I do have a twin leading shoe hub from a GT185 that uses the same shoes as a TS250 to try out ;D ;D)
As an alternative you coul try the PE175 seat from the 78 and 79 models the look pretty much identical except for an unboltable front mounting bracket. Here's two...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-SUZUKI-PE-175-pe175-SEAT-PAN-FOAM-BUTT-HOLDER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35589QQihZ023QQitemZ360088081248QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1979-SUZUKI-PE175-PE-175-SEAT_W0QQitemZ9507702049QQihZ013QQcategoryZ88433QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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hell i will try and find a photo of mine.....still i had youth, no money and stupidity on my side when I built it.
THEN 20 years later it started first kick on whatever was lurking in the tank and punished me by jamming at full throttle between a tree and the back fence. ::)
Anyway you will need to alter the lower back mount, whip up some front engine plates and you are done. I finished mine off by welding washers on the end of the foot pegs for that non slip works look.
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cant wait to see it cg ;D
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Does anyone know if TM125 gearset will go in TS185 cases OK?
Its a project I've been mulling over too.
Take bore out 2mm, have 'RA' 200 (replica!)
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Does anyone know if TM125 gearset will go in TS185 cases OK?
Its a project I've been mulling over too.
Take bore out 2mm, have 'RA' 200 (replica!)
The output shaft is the same part number as the TM, the end of the 185 input shaft, where the gears reside, is of identical dimensions to the TM shaft too. I'm running a RM125M gear-set on the 185 shafts with the straight cut primary and basket (NOS) from the RM too. I'm also using the TS185A side cases as they resemble the standard TM type.
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Thanks C,
I was wondering about that clutch cover too - if it was Ts185A or TM125. You 'read my mind'.
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My engine is going to be something of Suzuki parts bin special.
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The gearboxes are similiar but a bit diffrent on i think its 1st or second , as its a friction fit on the shaft that can and does loosen the gears if put under extreme loads or too many neddies are coaxed from the engine., gears are the same shaft size though
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Time for an update...
Just received a WEBCO head and a set of engine cases for mocking up the frame for welding the new engine mounts. I have also found a NOS 175cc hop-up kit cylinder to make things interesting. When the mounts are done I will powder coat the frame and fit all that I can before posting some update pics so stay tuned and patient.
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looks impressive so far CG but excusing my deadset lack of TS185 knowledge I didn't think the TM ignitions bolted up to the 185's? yes no??
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There needs to be an adaptor plate made for the three holes in the 185 case, stator plates I think are the same outside diameter with the top hole in the same position BTDC (so only two holes need countersinking in the plate and one threaded hole for the TM stator bottom hole), the rotor already fits and is in the same position as the 125.
I intend a really serious think about the whole process I'm doing (measure twice cut once etc) to make sure no mistakes creep in unexpectedly, I'm toying with the idea of bolting on a RM125S intake plate and manifold so I can run a 32mm carb so lots to think about but getting the frame done so I can at least start bolting stuff on is the first priority.
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why did they make kits to bring the capacity back to 175cc? i saw one of those cylinders on ebay the other week.
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It was so they could run in the 175cc class against Yamaha CT1-MX's/ MX175's etc before it became defunct as an MX class and was used for enduro's instead, just like the 350 class in GP.
On a side note, with regard to the kit cylinder, it runs a 1mm thicker liner in a standard TS185 cylinder casting (different porting specs obviously) so it can be bored up to 4mm oversize using PE pistons from 62mm-64mm and then TS185 pistons from 64mm-66mm so it will have a long racing life ;D ;D ;D
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there is no substitute for cubic capacity..take it all the way CG ;D kiddin' of course :P
on a side note which seems popular at present, not sure if I've spashed this around already but I feel I may have :-\ old news but a little insight...
http://cid-86267c09a3452a71.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Vintage%20Suzuki%20Magazine%20Tests%20and%20Articles/TS185%20Suzuki%20Hop%20Up%20Motorcyclist%20August%201974 (http://cid-86267c09a3452a71.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Vintage%20Suzuki%20Magazine%20Tests%20and%20Articles/TS185%20Suzuki%20Hop%20Up%20Motorcyclist%20August%201974)
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Doc, my mate is building one of these with the hop-up kit - can you help with this question? Many thanks.
Wondering if anyone can help with specifications for the carburetor, jetting and ignition timing. Also would like to find out if the kit had a different CDI box and stator assembly to the standard one. Cheers Francis
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Sorry, not just Doc - any help would be appreciated! Thanks gentlemen.
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I saw a full kit on eBay some years ago and it had a inner rotor ignition and cdi similar to the TM.
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I honestly can't say I know much about the 185 kit except what's in that article above sorry Heikki.
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Just found that the TM and TS stator plates have a different diameter (only by 5mm) but the good news is that the mounting hole postions are at different angles so the TM mount holes in the adaptor plate won't be obstructed by any of the castings for the standard TS plate.
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Time for a wee update, the ignition probs are well and truly solved. A stock TM250 stator and flywheel is a bolt on fit and I will use a 125 CDI. The 175 kit piston is nothing more than a 1mm oversize GT550 piston, so getting rings was easy ;D. If I decide to Vinduro this bike a TF125 12 litre tank will fit straight on with no seat fouling issues. With parts already found and bought everything inside the crankcases and clutch cover will be N.O.S. Plus I have the makings of a spare TM125 engine as an alternative to the 185.
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I've finally found some time to work on mine.
The frame I started with has no lower rear engine mount so that's the first thing to do. I'm thinking of lowering the front of the motor as I remember my first one had clearence problems between the head and the fuel tap. Also the pipe sat very high, touching the tank in fact. I seem to remember the motor sitting very front high.
The top rear engine mount is fine and three of four holes match on the engine plates. I will make larger 4 hole versions before I ride it!
Has anyone tried to lower the front of the motor? I may have to "massage" the frame to clear the drain plug as this sticks down a fair way.
Hopefully I'll have some piccies after the weekend.
Brent
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Time for an update..... especially when you consider that I started this thread in NOV 2008
Front engine mount has been fabricated, what to do about the rear mount has been decided and I am now only missing 3 parts to complete the engine.
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Good to see you're back on the job God.
Mine has stalled due to lack of time but I have the engine mounted. Looking at your front mounts I'm guessing you've used the top rear mount and moved the lower rear one back? My front mounts look much like yours and your engine seems to sit about the same as mine.
Mine will be priamarily a Vinduro mount but should be fun in pre75-250 VMX. I've got a yellow PP headlight/ number plate and I'll make a snail pipe, How 70's is that?? ;)
Brent
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Good to see you're back on the job God.
Mine has stalled due to lack of time but I have the engine mounted. Looking at your front mounts I'm guessing you've used the top rear mount and moved the lower rear one back? My front mounts look much like yours and your engine seems to sit about the same as mine.
Mine will be priamarily a Vinduro mount but should be fun in pre75-250 VMX. I've got a yellow PP headlight/ number plate and I'll make a snail pipe, How 70's is that?? ;)
Brent
Sounds cool, mine will probably get one or two MX runs with my mate Marc riding it before I sell it to someone to fund a roadie project.
My rear lower mount is the standard TM left mount (slotted) and a new right mount (unslotted), when I drop the engine into the frame you can't get the bolt in so its fitted to the motor with the left hand side sticking out. Once it is in the frame the bolt slides into the right mount and then the nut and washers go on. The motor is definitly dropped at the front so that the kit pipe can fit into the exhaust port, if I had to make a pipe I would not have bothered modifying the rear mount at all.
I plan to work on it this weekend if it's not too hot and maybe I will get it to the powder coates at the same time I'm doing the zinc plating. I will post some pics as I go to keep things updated.
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Chucked a few bits on for a bit of a preview...
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Frame is now welded up and at the powder coaters after being blasted this morning, zinc plating was dropped off as well. Pics will be upped once I get it all back.
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likes
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Frame is now back......
From this...
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To this...
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The only major mod was moving the lower right mount out about 25mm...
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Swingarm and shocks test fitted today...
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More progress...
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Thats looking real good CG :) love that swinging arm . What are the shocks off ???
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Thats looking real good CG :) love that swinging arm . What are the shocks off ???
The shocks are aftermarket Redwing "hammerhead" alloy body shocks, I had them on my MX250A as well. They work pretty good despite the budget price.
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I have my bottom end together YAAAAAAAY :D :D :D :D
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good stuff CG, are you going to run the oil pump or have you given it the flick?
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I have a NOS oil pump and oil lines etc, but the little plastic drive piece I don't have yet so fitting it will have to wait ;) Only a couple of months till it's running.
PS: If you want to fit a race ignition to a TS185 the TM250 stator and rotor are a PERFECT fit
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Taking shape nicely.
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Forks....Done
Motor fitted....Done
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Looks very good keep up the good work should be a great bike thanks Michael. :)
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Here's the latest additions to the bike...
Carbies fitted up, it's amazing what you can achieve with an $8 length of silicon hose
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Footpegs are on now, I welded a nut either side of the frame to act as a spring retainer
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NOS DG swingarm, complete with a Pro-tec chain tensioner, looking good with a wheel finally fitted
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Electrics have been tested, and nice blue sparks have been seen, just waiting on DC plastics side covers custom made in Suzi Yellow ;D ;)
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Looks good God 8). A little work on the motor and it should be a 'good thing'. Whats with the DG swingarm, alloy?
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Looks good God 8). A little work on the motor and it should be a 'good thing'. Whats with the DG swingarm, alloy?
Nah it's steel, it's just a little lighter and longer than standard.
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looking pretty flash CG 8) I was wondering what the front wheel was with the angle of the brake arm but then realized the plates not located and it's all just sitting loose ::) will look extra nice with the kit pipe (not to mention they work the best too) 8)
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love the bike - hate the hammers.
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looking pretty flash CG 8) I was wondering what the front wheel was with the angle of the brake arm but then realized the plates not located and it's all just sitting loose ::) will look extra nice with the kit pipe (not to mention they work the best too) 8)
Thanks Chris, I can't wait get the new custom colour side covers on, I've always felt that the plain black sidecovers were the TM models most unattractive feature.
As for the RedWing Hammerheads Freaky, while not to everybodies taste, the retro look vs. price vs. performance will always play it's part in my descision to buy them (can't complain about $260AU landed). Unfortunately I am not one of this sports enthusiasts who give the appearance of an unlimited budget by buying shocks strictly on performance and screw what they cost (damn, but I wish I was ;))
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I just had another DR500 delivered today and got talking to the seller about the ubiquitis TS185.
Got to wondering where the hell they all went to as when I worked for Mayfairs the Suzuki importer up here for many years , we sold shiploads of them. Most went west to the farmers (west Qld) but we sold 100's of the beggers. So many in fact that when Suzuki told us they were to be discontinued, we got together and rang around the country to see if we could put a special order in and got another production run of 1000 done and split the order up around Oz.
My point is that there must be heaps of them about somewhere and enough to make them a classic class of their own. I remember we had one as an enduro bike before the PEs came out and it was very handy in the scrub.
Hmmmm, a new vinduro project maybe???
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I just had another DR500 delivered today and got talking to the seller about the ubiquitis TS185.
Got to wondering where the hell they all went to as when I worked for Mayfairs the Suzuki importer up here for many years , we sold shiploads of them. Most went west to the farmers (west Qld) but we sold 100's of the beggers. So many in fact that when Suzuki told us they were to be discontinued, we got together and rang around the country to see if we could put a special order in and got another production run of 1000 done and split the order up around Oz.
My point is that there must be heaps of them about somewhere and enough to make them a classic class of their own. I remember we had one as an enduro bike before the PEs came out and it was very handy in the scrub.
Hmmmm, a new vinduro project maybe???
A pre 75 TS185 enduro would be kinda cool, as to where they all went, TWO Wheel wreckers used to have about 40+ bottom ends before the big clean-up when they changed owners I would imagine most wreckers would have pulled down around a 100 each or more over the last 25 years or so. No to many complete original examples left by now I think.
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Got the custom coloured side covers today I test fitted them and they look good...
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Now that looks different , kind of blends in nicely with swing arm and chain.
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8) I reckon all it needs is the green background and that'll blend the tank with the covers making it look more..'factory' 8) mind you that's just my opinion and obviously do as you please ;D
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kinda like this..maybe..hmmm..dunno but ya gotta love photoshop ;)
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CG is it for sale :D name your price ;D i want that bike 8) well done mate you have done a great job it is a very cool build .
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CG is it for sale :D name your price ;D i want that bike 8) well done mate you have done a great job it is a very cool build .
It will actually be for sale later this year for a price yet to be determined ;)
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looks great love the side covers did you have them painted or are they yellow plastic and i thought the green doc put on them makes it look even better great bike
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very swish, love your work. Shame that it's for sale though. I'm hoping you'll give it a run through the gears first?
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looks great love the side covers did you have them painted or are they yellow plastic and i thought the green doc put on them makes it look even better great bike
The side covers were made by DC plastics in a custom colour, in fact they will make any item in their range in any colour from their stock range of colours
(from translucent through to black) So if you want a RED kawasaki or a YELLOW Honda you just have to ask them ;D
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thanks cyclegod did you get them done throught some one in aust or us , great bike
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thanks cyclegod did you get them done throught some one in aust or us , great bike
All the info you need is on their home page...
http://www.dcvmx.com/
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Nearly there now...
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Backgrounds now on...pipe at the sand blasters tomorrow...
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AT LAST... it's been moved to the lounge room :-[
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sweet and you really got there fast, must be short walk to the shed. Nice bike. ;D
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nice bike cg but does the forker go ??? ;D
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nice bike cg but does the forker go ??? ;D
No, not yet, the pipe is still at the sand blasters and I haven't fitted the fuel tap yet either (this weekend I'm hoping it will fire up!)
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Pipe is ready to go on, and then it can be started, but wouldn't you know it there is just one bloody part missing >:( >:( >:(.
The exhaust cushion ::) , a part I have ordered from suzuki and a couple of eBay suppliers, the ones from suzuki superceeded to the exhaust gasket part number which is no bloody good at all as it's a completely different part and is useless at sealing the exhaust, I hope ONE of them arrives tomorrow or I won't get this damn thing running until the June long weekend >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Well, I got the exhaust on and YES IT FINALLY RUNS!!!!!!!!!!!
Took it for a few quick backyard laps before these pics were taken.... ;D ;D ;D
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nice ride c/god,i'll bet the neibours love the pipe ;D so what size carb do they use with kit barrel ???
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nice ride c/god,i'll bet the neibours love the pipe ;D so what size carb do they use with kit barrel ???
Suprisingly the pipe is not that loud , I'm running a 32mm carb but the kit would have been supplied with a 28mm as standard. The intake port is 32mm in diameter so the 32mm carb is a straight-up fit I just had to buy a new intake manifold thats all.
It started second kick which was wicked ;D ;D
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Cycle, glad to see you got it running and hear the sound of the motor running after all the effort that had gone it her. You sure you only did a couple of laps, ;)
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yeah it's good if they fire up easily after putting in the hard toil,a 28mm carb is a bit small now days and it's got enough capacity to run a 32mm cab,i managed to take my ts185a intake tract out to 32mm from 26mm that they come with from the factory
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All run in now and ready for it's first outing at Wandering on the 15th of August. I will put up some pics when I take some of my mate Marc, who will be racing it.
It makes excellent mid range and top end power and the gearing is just spot-on and quite quiet despite the muffler not being fitted yet.
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Some pics from the running in session...
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Great work on the TM cyclegod but shouldn't it have a green background number for 250 class with a 185 motor???
Tim
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Great work on the TM cyclegod but shouldn't it have a green background number for 250 class with a 185 motor???
Tim
Probably, but in W.A we run a graded system so it wouldn't matter if it were 400cc or 100cc I would still be in 'C' grade
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I dont think you will be a C grade rider for much longer with a great bike that you made :)
Well done mate
Tim
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There is a 73TS185 here that is is gathering dust.
I just had another DR500 delivered today and got talking to the seller about the ubiquitis TS185.
Got to wondering where the hell they all went to as when I worked for Mayfairs the Suzuki importer up here for many years , we sold shiploads of them. Most went west to the farmers (west Qld) but we sold 100's of the beggers. So many in fact that when Suzuki told us they were to be discontinued, we got together and rang around the country to see if we could put a special order in and got another production run of 1000 done and split the order up around Oz.
My point is that there must be heaps of them about somewhere and enough to make them a classic class of their own. I remember we had one as an enduro bike before the PEs came out and it was very handy in the scrub.
Hmmmm, a new vinduro project maybe???
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First race meet was a HUGE success, the bike didn't miss a beat all day and for Marc to finish the day on the bike he started with was a big bonus for him
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIcbjqK5ZM8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlGGRQnWVxE
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Well done!!
I like the 2nd pic of the bike for some reason.....it just looks right to me.
Its a good looking bike ;)
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Well done!!
I like the 2nd pic of the bike for some reason.....it just looks right to me.
My thoughts exactly on that pic, it's Marc's favorite too, I think it's the yellow side covers they look so much better than the plain dull black ones.
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How'd those Redwing shocks feel?
Cheers,
K
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How'd those Redwing shocks feel?
Cheers,
K
Marc usually rides a CT110 for Aus post so they probably felt good to him, other than backing off the preload a little he had no complaints except all the 380's and 400's smoking him at the start.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOup6wQEpX0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJAaWXBQFQ8
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I couldn't quiet put my finger on the style of riding-thanks that's answered the question.We have a girl in moderns that is the same,got her standing a wee bit and now there is no stopping her.
There is also an A grader having a vmx break this year who was also a postie.
One of the best professions to be in for vmx/mx,oh and of course BMX. ;D
Cheers & enjoy the new found comfort of Suzuki ;D
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Every time I see this bike I'm inspired to get mine out and finish it. I'm only lacking two things. Money and TIME.
I'd love to have it going as the TM is such a fun bike to ride and the 185 would be like a 125 on steriods!
I'm really impressed with your bike God, I hope mine comes out as well
Brent
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Every time I see this bike I'm inspired to get mine out and finish it. I'm only lacking two things. Money and TIME.
I'd love to have it going as the TM is such a fun bike to ride and the 185 would be like a 125 on steriods!
I'm really impressed with your bike God, I hope mine comes out as well
Brent
Thanks Brent, and on that note I bring this thread to a successful end, for more TS185 madness please see my "Crazy" thread
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Just updated all the photo links so that they can be viewed once again.
Here's a video of my mate racing it.
https://youtu.be/l9YOOXOLBPE
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Excellent thanks. This is a classic thread.
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Fantastic !!!! I only just stumbled on this thread for my first time now ! Where is the bike now? What pipe was used on it?
I have a TS185A engine hiding down the dark corner of the shed, me thinks of dragging it out ;-)
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The pipe is the factory "Hop-up" kit pipe. The bike was sold a few years ago, the engine is TS185M with A model clutch and mag covers for the TM look.
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the 185A motor's can be made to go well,i raised my exhaust port 1.5mm and took the inlet out to 32mm then matched the exhaust/intake ports out to the edge of the steel liner
.i found old chainsaw files heated to shape them perfect for that job.im yet to split the case for a tm125 close ratio box conversion and match the transfer ports to the cases