Shall I book you a bed Firko? Looks like castle Slakewell will be full as a fat ladies sockThanks for the invite Slakester, you can book me and my old mate in, we'll bring the BBQ and Margarita fixin's and you set up the blender 8). If you're going to race we'll give you a hand in the pits ;).
So do you want pre90 outfits as well as pre85s Does that mean 2 classes?? separate or run together??
Excellent news!
I reckon this will be a huge meeting. The track at Lakes is awesome and the club will go all out to put on a great event.
Can't wait to see capacity grids across all eras. Especially the Pre '90's for the first time at this level.
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu202/STG_23/IMG_8831_zpsd88874ac.jpg)
My money is on this guy to be the man to beat ;D
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu202/STG_23/IMG_8629_zps8f149b07.jpg)
Cheers
Shaun
I know two enties that can run at his pace and will be better equipped this time out.
Are you going to put them on a more reliable brand? :PExcellent news!
I reckon this will be a huge meeting. The track at Lakes is awesome and the club will go all out to put on a great event.
Can't wait to see capacity grids across all eras. Especially the Pre '90's for the first time at this level.
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu202/STG_23/IMG_8831_zpsd88874ac.jpg)
My money is on this guy to be the man to beat ;D
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu202/STG_23/IMG_8629_zps8f149b07.jpg)
Cheers
Shaun
I know two enties that can run at his pace and will be better equipped this time out.
Just as some solo classes are allowed to enter on the grounds that there were no improvements in the design, surely the difference in a pre90 and a '94 model is minute and once again, I suggest that to have a couple of 'ring-ins' to build up field numbers, is far more important at this time (no sidecar cross in NSW for several years) than to not have a race at all! ( FFS!!)We really want to have the sidecar at the Titles. Fropm their comments the Lakes Club a super keen to see the sidecars ripping around their track.
This is exactly the same argument we had before Wyaralong last year and look at the low numbers we had in that field.
Perhaps if you didn't want him to race it, you shouldn't have sold it to him!
So these are pre 90s titles but sidecars are only upto pre 85, makes a lo of sense
Greg I received your email, will reply tomorrow,Herein lies the problem. All you sidecar guys cry foul. 'What about the sidecars', 'why can't we get a run?'
Everyone wants Sidecars but numbers???
This is a big opportunity to grow this entire category of Motorcycle Sport.
Lakes is a great track that is very suited to VMX,
so this could be the Sidecars chance to gather in some new recruits,
Brad , as an outsider thats a easy solution . Lets for example apply the same thing to your class . Let's say your twinport class gets filled up with non conforming later bikes . I am not talking about riding up a class . I am talking about your title class being filled up with all sorts of creations and you as a conformer , being left behind more every year . You would fight for that or sooner later walk away . We all would like to see more bikes . There are plenty of them around for each class ( except pre 68 perhaps ) Because they have to race mixed during the year and no eligibility scruteneeirng , they modify their bikes to become more modern and easier on them . Knowing that the titles are more strict , they then choose not to enter and prefer to compete in their club champion ships . That's one big portion of them . Others just choose not to travel knowing they can't win , others have no money left after doing all their club rounds . Others have no passenger . Others have a broken bike . To answer your post Brad , yes you can gain a few by letting all in , but in the long run you will lose more than you gain . I am at the point where I rather walk away , instead of trying to be the stalwart for the old eras . In pre 75 , I believe , I am the only one left that actually has raced one in its day . In pre 85 there is about 3 that actually where around at the time . The rest just bought bikes that where for sale . Some of the people that didnt race in the days ( like odd ) have no idea of how it was and what was legal . They just want to burn fuel on the bike they bought and bastardise history perhaps unintentionally. The answer is , if the enthusiastic newcomers would be more era conscientious and their energy could be steered in the right way it would solve 90% of the trouble , a win for everyone .After reading only two lines its apparent you are talking eligibility. I'm not.
Could there be a separate thread for the sidecar component of the post classic nationals? Then if someone doesn't want to read about them they don't have to.exactly.
Cheers, Grahame
Evo 125
f ) under 30
g ) 30-39
h ) 40-49
i ) 50-59
j ) 60 plus
Evo 250
f ) under 30
g ) 30-39
h ) 40-49
i ) 50-59
KJ222
j ) 60 plus
Evo Open
f ) under 30
g ) 30-39
h ) 40-49
i ) 50-59
j ) 60 plus
I'm keen that I can finally run the latter classes at the titles. I have an evo125, 250 and open, pre85 open, pre 90 125 and open. I have to now decide what to race. Reality is I will probably enter all and see how it pans out as usual ::)Brad that really makes scheduling hard :o You also will have to be the fittest person on the planet ;D we are aiming for 15min+1 for all classes although some will be 2 rounds (age races) others 3 rounds
Evo 125You seem to have added a race just for yourself in EVO 250 age races ;D
f ) under 30
g ) 30-39
h ) 40-49
i ) 50-59
j ) 60 plus
Evo 250
f ) under 30
g ) 30-39
h ) 40-49
i ) 50-59
KJ222
j ) 60 plus
Evo Open
f ) under 30
g ) 30-39
h ) 40-49
i ) 50-59
j ) 60 plus
I will run in Pre 85 250 & all in and if I can have the use of an EVO I will do the 60+
Evo 125You seem to have added a race just for yourself in EVO 250 age races ;D
f ) under 30
g ) 30-39
h ) 40-49
i ) 50-59
j ) 60 plus
Evo 250
f ) under 30
g ) 30-39
h ) 40-49
i ) 50-59
KJ222 - CR250 RZ
Monty Nut - Montessa 250
j ) 60 plus
Evo Open
f ) under 30
g ) 30-39
h ) 40-49
i ) 50-59
j ) 60 plus
in addition to previously mentioned & in response to comments postedSome people will have back to back races, you may have to wait a couple of minutes in between.
Lakes will have the next race on the line & the following race in the grid
your 2 minutes to be on the line starts from the last lap board (all mechanics etc to exit start)
if a rider crosses the finish just in front of the leader they are entitled to finish that lap
race will be started as last bike crosses finish line
no waiting for anyone
is 8 laps too much for these bikes / riders ?
Some people will have back to back races, you may have to wait a couple of minutes in between.The show must go on.
is 8 laps too much for these bikes / riders ?
Defiantly not. It's an Australian Title meeting. If they can't hang on for eight laps then It's time to get the golf clubs out (or think about what they really do want to win a little more carefully).
Yes you are definitely have defiantly strong case for longer races ;D ;D
- especially as how you are aiming for races longer than both Heaven and Modern it seems
I think the 20mins between races was from one start to the next - ie 17 min races then next race is away 3 mins later.
Best of luck - am interested in seeing numbers - especially as how you are aiming for races longer than both Heaven and Modern it seems
I realize its the nationals but as the event didnt get off the ground last year a bit of leaniancey for people running back to back races the likes of Brad to make it the biggest grids as possible would be benificial. Theres no way the program can suit everyone for no back to back races. Im not trying to be negative but would love to see the effort you guys and girls put in get the best grid numbers and solid foundations for its future.Every meeting I have gone to, the guys that make up the program seem to do their best not to put people in back to back races. Someone always has to draw the short straw.
Cheers Troy
They are the age groups as per the MOM's so can't be altered for a title event.
I'm 48 too and understand what your saying. But just think in a couple of years we will be kicking 59 year old butt ;D ;D ;D
Cheers
Shaun
check out this footage from 1988
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0xgEXMJ5_Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0xgEXMJ5_Y)
If I race the 2 classes I plan to, that is 6 x 17 min motos over the weekend. As much as I love the longer races, I can't imagine I want to do more than that to cover the age races as well. How have the numbers been when and if the races were run separately in the past?This is the first year for Evo age groups. In the past some pre 75 age groups have had small numbers, maybe it would be better to run them all together and score the ages separately?
The practice day would be great! Weekend of March 23-34 or April 23-24 are my suggestions.
to run over 2 days with 15 mins practice for each group, then 3 15 plus 1 lap races finishes us at around 3:40 pm each day.
presentation after this on the Sunday (once all score have been tallied & checked)
assumption -
all classes as per MOMs except
age classes run within evo groups (not additional races)
lap times around 2 mins 10 seconds
7 laps equals 15 mins 10 seconds
additional lap 8 equals 17 mins 20 seconds
20 mins to next start
no delays
practice & round 1 Saturday
rounds 2 & 3 Sunday
requiring clarification -
is 8 laps too much for these bikes / riders ? Heaven run 4 lap races (Lakes moderns 5 laps)
are we going to see the numbers to justify a 3rd day of racing
check out this footage from 1988
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0xgEXMJ5_Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0xgEXMJ5_Y)
The track has improved out of sight since then.
I have a EVO 250 and am over 50 and want to race 50 to 59 bracket as per MOM's please don't stuff around with it to much.Is there something wrong with running the Evo 250 race and scoring 50-59 separately within the race otherwise you could have races with only 3 or 4 starters.
I have a EVO 250 and am over 50 and want to race 50 to 59 bracket as per MOM's please don't stuff around with it to much.Is there something wrong with running the Evo 250 race and scoring 50-59 separately within the race otherwise you could have races with only 3 or 4 starters.
I have a EVO 250 and am over 50 and want to race 50 to 59 bracket as per MOM's please don't stuff around with it to much.
And mine :)I have a EVO 250 and am over 50 and want to race 50 to 59 bracket as per MOM's please don't stuff around with it to much.
Bugga that means your in my age group ::) ;D
Sounds fair, I'm assuming you would get scored outright and age group also. Say if you were 52 and got 2nd in the Evo 250 and were beaten by a 35yo you'd get 2nd outright trophy and 1st 50-59?
And mine :)I have a EVO 250 and am over 50 and want to race 50 to 59 bracket as per MOM's please don't stuff around with it to much.
Bugga that means your in my age group ::) ;D
Good idea Brad, so what's quicker to the 1st turn, a CZ or a 880 Wasp. :D :D :DNot an all in race bugger you.
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I have a EVO 250 and am over 50 and want to race 50 to 59 bracket as per MOM's please don't stuff around with it to much.
Bugga that means your in my age group
And mine
How simple can it be. Same as the vintage mrmx. All in race, age groups scored separately and then an overall.
Hey Noel, Have you seen Scrivo's draft plan proposal for the COMPLEX. Condominiums everywhere.
Hey Noel, Have you seen Scrivo's draft plan proposal for the COMPLEX. Condominiums everywhere.
Hey Ted you spelt condom wrong :)
so there is no camping at the track WTFG`day Holeshot,
so once all the bikes are scrutineered are they in a impounded pit area
so how are they going to work this i am sure everyone does not want
to go and stay somewhere and leave ther bikes behind
where is the nearest accomodation camping etc a lot of people are travelling a long way
to get there
Guys,Combining the age races into the EVO races makes 3 x 15min + 1 timing very do-able with time for accident delays (assuming we don't have a half day stappage for some unforseen reason). so 3 x 15min+1 or 3 x 10min+1 are both OK. The general feeling appeared to be for these later ERAs that longer races 15min+1 was most appropiate
What's wrong with 10 min plus 1 lap races worked fine for Thumper Nats and also leaves breathing space for accident stoppages and race restarts etc.
I would rather complete 3 x 10 min races than have my last race cut short due to lack of race time etc.
Damo.
closest camp ground I could find is this oneThat camping ground is a bit of a trailer park to say :-X Theres a few that live there and a bit on the feral side ;D
western side of freeway
http://www.aussieweb.com.au/directory/caravan+camping+grounds/nsw/freemans+waterhole/2323/
Agree with Mick except remove the words "a bit" ;)closest camp ground I could find is this oneThat camping ground is a bit of a trailer park to say :-X Theres a few that live there and a bit on the feral side ;D
western side of freeway
http://www.aussieweb.com.au/directory/caravan+camping+grounds/nsw/freemans+waterhole/2323/
I live 30mins from it and travel past it a fair bit ;D I dont thing I would leave a bike on a trailer there during the night. :-\
The track is only 15mins from lake macquarie toronto etc for accommodation if needed.
Sure, starts are an important skill in Motocross but I have seen National Titles won by guys who got mid pack starts and fought their way to the front of the pack, I am sure you all have as well. I have also seen guys holeshot a race and then fade back through the field because they haven't prepared them self physically for the challenge. In a recent Heaven event the Heaven GP, a 15 minute plus 1 lap, our fastest guy got the holeshot then bobbled over in a slow corner allowing most of the pack to pass him. About 10 minutes into the race, he roared by me and I think by the time the race ended he was in the top 5 and still won the overall. That is authentic Motocross.
I know we are 'not as young as we used to be', and the main reason we race is to 'have fun' and we are 'not racing for sheep stations' but this is a National Motocross Title and if there was ever an event that should try to remain an authentic Motocross event then I would have thought this would be it.
15+1 for the all in National title sounds good but I think the over 50 age classes could be cut back a bit, maybe 10 +1 or 12+1 (depending on how long a lap is)It appears that the age races have to be seperate from the outright EVO races and will have to be therefore shorter than the major classes (major as in open as apposed to more important OK). Everyone just be a little patient and all will come together over the next week or so. We have tried to get as much input as possible to go in a direction to try and make this as successful and enjoyable for everyone as possible.
This will also help the organisers get through the program on time.
Long races are great to watch when someone is moving through the pack but quite often they end up a procession once everyone has fallen into their groove.
I know it was also proposed to run the age classes within the normal classes but I feel this takes away from the actual age class championship.
# No one riding will be aware if they have to push to beat some one that may or may not be in their class.
# No one spectating will know who is winning the age classes.
# Someone will come away with a National title without anyone knowing (family, sponsers, fan club etc.) which will make it feel like some sort of consolation prize.
that program looks pretty good to me as a base to start from (and use as is).Vandy he said at the top of the post this is not the race order..
i like how the races flow through the era's and capacities.
i reckon that sort of thing is easy for both spectator and competitor to follow.
Has anybody asked Mr Burt if he will be in Australia come May??
I hear he may be out of the country with Heavens no 1.
Please correct me, my understanding is that in the Classic Titles there is a Pre75 outright title as well as Pre75 age groups. You can run a Pre75, Pre70, Pre65 or Pre60 machines in the age races.
Bob the fast guys are around the 2min mark (just over) the figure used in the current thinking is an average of 2:10sec
There has been further discussion on race make up and two formats for age races has emerged
1) All EVO age groups for a capacity run together eg <30,30-39, 40-49, 50-59 & 60+ for EVO125 run in one race. This has the advantage of all riders on similar bikes and therefore no one gets roosted and the racing is close and relatively equal.
2)We mix the capacities. This has the advantage of allowing riders within a race to see who they are racing against and also allows the one bike to be used in multiple age races.
Age race 1 – 125cc (<30, 30-39), 250cc (40-49), >263cc (50-59, 60+)
Age race 2 - 250cc (<30, 30-39), >263cc (40-49), 125cc (50-59, 60+)
Age race 3 - 500cc (<30, 30-39), 125cc (40-49), 250cc (50-59, 60+)
Comments please
LOL Ken... who has time to side glance at stickers and badges on other bikes!!??? :o :o
I am too busy trying to read the track !! ;D
...oh sorry Scrivo - I think I would prefer the first option. "Capacity" races, rather than the mix.I am thinking the same as Hardo, first option.
Especially at the Lakes track... Those uphills could be interesting with a mix of 125, 250 and open bikes.
Would be hard for the evo boys .
Race 1 125
Race 2 250
15 min Break
Race 4 125 Age
Race 5 250 Age
Then if you ride up a class to Pre 85 1 race break and it all starts over again .
oh... :-[
I am confused it seems... only EVO are having age class racing.... :-\
Soz... didnt really absorb that too well....
..well if I were to enter the EVO class, my vote would be for the 1st option....... :-*
Look guys the race order and program is a long way from being set the only thing available on the entry form is the classes offered which will be as per the MOMS. The ‘program’ posted a page or so back was clearly marked as just for discussion as an indication of classes and the resulting time constraints required. NOTHING MORE. It was not in any way suggested that will be what what will happen at the meeting.Well said.
The race order, timing and so forth can only be set once the entries close and we know who has entered what. Every effort will be made to accommodate people to avoid back to back races but if you have more than two bikes then it is very highly likely you will. This would be the case in just about any race meeting I would think. This is not something new it is the same case for every single race meeting.
Let’s be realistic if you enter all three EVO classes and all three age races you are eligible for then you will have back to back races more than once over the weekend and a massive riding workload. If you enter three bikes whatever class your riding workload is going to be high that is obvious. It is your choice to do so, please don’t expect that if you enter three bikes that the race order will be tailored to your requirements that is just not possible or fair to others.
What about the non age group race being an all powers race? The 125's are always the smallest group also. I think the Evo 125 age group class will end up being an all in 125 race, scored separately.We only have a 40 bike grid I would be very disappointed if we only have 40 EVO entries in total.
I did read the MOMS Scrivo... (albeit eventually...thru my 'green tinted glasses' :P ) thats what the apology was for.... ::)OK sorry I misread your post must have had my Spanish glasses on :P :-[
In any case - I agree with your last post about people expecting meetings to be tailor made around them. Happens all the time.
This is going to be a great event. :)
just a suggestion to throw into the hat. Not everyone would enter, especially the older guys that would feel they had a better chance in the age group. Fastest 40 get in or some other way to get to forty gates.What about the non age group race being an all powers race? The 125's are always the smallest group also. I think the Evo 125 age group class will end up being an all in 125 race, scored separately.We only have a 40 bike grid I would be very disappointed if we only have 40 EVO entries in total.
What you are suggesting is that the age races are the premier class and that is just not the case, well certainly not in a lot of peoples minds.
I know of at least 10 people that want to enter two EVO classes and they are the only classes they have bikes for. What you are suggesting can only be looked at after entries close.
Everyone just need to enter what they want to ride and then a program can be put together that is normal race meeting process.
who is that good news for?? not us slow buggers that's for sure.
anyway, what sort of sidecar does he ride? :D
Good News for the TitlesWho the hell is rob jones,what discipline does he ride?
In my opinion one of the best motorcycle riders in the country
Rob Jones is going to ride the event,
Rob is just back from 6 months training with Steve Gall.
Who the hell is rob jones,what discipline does he ride?I wondered the same thing too Johnny O ???. If he's the same Rob Jones who won the Welsh pre 68 title in 2009 on a Cheney B44 I'd like to welcome him to Australia. 8)
He's the young guy that cleaned up at Crystal Brook Nats a couple of years ago I think......hired gun....from South Aust.
MA results show TOM JONES
MA results show TOM JONES
Thats not unusual or should i say its not unusual ;D
bet he goes well on his home track on the green green grass of home :)
im coming home ( in first place )
because mama told him not to come (anything but first )
supp. regs are out
Sup regs indicate 15 +1 for champ classes, 5 laps for age racing,OK that means things have changed since the discussion on here..
suggesting that they will be separate events
Bill ,
read section 18 of supregs,
Cheers
Noel
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Thanks Noel :) it just goes to show it pays to read things properly before making assumptions :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
15+1 for the all in National title sounds good but I think the over 50 age classes could be cut back a bit, maybe 10 +1 or 12+1 (depending on how long a lap is)It appears that the age races have to be seperate from the outright EVO races and will have to be therefore shorter than the major classes (major as in open as apposed to more important OK). Everyone just be a little patient and all will come together over the next week or so. We have tried to get as much input as possible to go in a direction to try and make this as successful and enjoyable for everyone as possible.
This will also help the organisers get through the program on time.
Long races are great to watch when someone is moving through the pack but quite often they end up a procession once everyone has fallen into their groove.
I know it was also proposed to run the age classes within the normal classes but I feel this takes away from the actual age class championship.
# No one riding will be aware if they have to push to beat some one that may or may not be in their class.
# No one spectating will know who is winning the age classes.
# Someone will come away with a National title without anyone knowing (family, sponsers, fan club etc.) which will make it feel like some sort of consolation prize.
We do need an indication of entry numbers from the sidecars
On the entry form where it shows the age races there is a $ sign next to each age race. ( to full out )Have a look at item 5.1 in the Sup regs - $150 for first bike and $20 for additional rides. You should read that as additional class is my understanding. So if you enter a bike in EVO 263+ and EVO 263+ 30-39yrs for example the entry fee would be $170 ($150 + $20).
but I have read through the regs but cant see a fee for the age races ,or is there none ???
just making sure I dont stuff up ;)
The supp regs say additional machine $20, not additional class. The example above is the same machine in 2 classes so the entry fee would be $150. Are the supp regs right or wrong?On the entry form where it shows the age races there is a $ sign next to each age race. ( to full out )Have a look at item 5.1 in the Sup regs - $150 for first bike and $20 for additional rides. You should read that as additional class is my understanding. So if you enter a bike in EVO 263+ and EVO 263+ 30-39yrs for example the entry fee would be $170 ($150 + $20).
but I have read through the regs but cant see a fee for the age races ,or is there none ???
just making sure I dont stuff up ;)
hi guys,sorry to sidetrack this thread but can anyone clear up some bike rules for me.
I have an 84 CR125 which i know has 86-88 cartridge forks as the originals were farked,will this be an issue in regards to eligibility in the pre 85s?
So if i pulled a fluke and placed somewhere it would all be in vain as i would be a cheat right?No one would've known if you hadn't told us but yes technically illegal.
supp. regs are out
http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Event_Documents/2013/Post_Classic_MX/Post_Classic_MX_Supp_Regs_Final_V1_27FEB13.pdf (http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Event_Documents/2013/Post_Classic_MX/Post_Classic_MX_Supp_Regs_Final_V1_27FEB13.pdf)
how are the numbersd going?Unfortunately a lot of the Queenslanders i've spoken to aren't going beacause of the extra time needed off work for a 3 day meeting and the lack of camping at the track, both adding considerably to the cost. Also the hassle of having to pack everything up and load the bikes each night to head back to where they'd have to stay. I thought one of the bonus's of splitting the Nats was so that it could be held over 2 days?
Firko for a Queenslander the cost of 3 days off work and 4 nights accomodation versus 2 days off work and free camping on top of entry fees and petrol to get there seems to be enough to deter the guys i've spoken to from comingI understand the dimemna the guys are facing John but it's a crying shame to see this event flounder two years in a row. The promoting club and the sport deserves better than this. How many Victorians are coming up and for that matter where are the NSW punters when they're needed?
This meeting is a big opportunity and challenge for our sport. If this meeting folds due to lack of entries when will thenextfirst Post Classic Titles be held. Last year it was the travel cost, this year it is because we cannot camp WTF.
This meeting is at an outstanding facility on without a doubt the best EVO / Pre85 / Pre90 track in NSW. It is timed in a period with little else scheduled and is located smack in the middle of the eastern seaboard.
The race format was indicated as the preferred option, the timing of the meetings was indicated as the preferred period. The track has been raved about every time photos appear on this forum. The track is located 1.5hrs from Australia’s largest city and 20 mins from two of NSW’s biggest tourist areas and only 20min from NSW’s second largest city. Access to the track couldn’t be easier only 2mins from the Sydney – Newcastle freeway.
The camping issue is really a non-issue as there will be personnel at the facility during the night and there is a massive amount of economical accommodation within 15min of the track. This venue has been used for the National Junior Titles with hundreds of entries with families over a 9 day meeting without serious complaint about camping.
The club promoting this title is not a Vintage MX club but have shown our sport great support by putting their hand up. I cannot imagine another non VMX club seeing our sport as serious if this meeting folds due to entries.
Seriously what more do we want
Maybe people are doing the classic Nats and cannot afford to do both .Is the split realy working ? Its f$%&$@ the dirt track .Has the split really flucked the dirt track or is it a greedy MA hitting clubs with the double whammy permit fee, preventing clubs from running both eras on the same program....something easily acheived in dirt track?
I have been training all summer for this and getting two bikes ready big $$$$$ a week of work to get there and back, I hope its a works out. HLshit I better start training to ;) I hope we get more numbers up so its not canned.
I would love to be attending but this month I am moving interstate and starting a new job, so unfortunately I can't make it this year :'(Weakest excuse I've ever heard Bishboy.....harden up pal! :D
to think there will probably be 26 riders come over from VMXWA to race in the Classic championships in Canberra. Go figure!!Our sport would be in a much better shape if we here on the Eastern side of the island had the same enthusiasm as the West Aussies. For as long as I can recall there have been West Aussies coming over to support our East Coast Nats....I can remember Brian Squires and Stewey Allred coming over in 1993 and it's been container load of them coming over most years ever since. Think of the effort they go to and then think of the limp dick excuse you're using not to drive for four or five hours (no camping ???).
Well there is still another to week for entries to come in before the closing date of the 12th...what sort of numbers do they need 100 - 150 ???
Tim
Quoteto think there will probably be 26 riders come over from VMXWA to race in the Classic championships in Canberra. Go figure!!Our sport would be in a much better shape if we here on the Eastern side of the island had the same enthusiasm as the West Aussies. For as long as I can recall there have been West Aussies coming over to support our East Coast Nats....I can remember Brian Squires and Stewey Allred coming over in 1993 and it's been container load of them coming over most years ever since. Think of the effort they go to and then think of the limp dick excuse you're using not to drive for four or five hours (no camping ???).
Geezus Bill, I thought Dave wrote that. ;D
we asked what you guys wanted & accomodated for exactly thatThat's not correct at all, we asked for the Evo age group races to be combined into the Evo capacity classes so that the meeting could be held over 2 days.
you wanted 15min motos & you are now whinging about a meeting over 3 days,
do the maths guys & our format was based on best case senerio, without splittiing any age classes
I have held off saying this for too long, it is worse than dealing with 50cc parents, you can`t be pleased
I would love to be attending but this month I am moving interstate and starting a new job, so unfortunately I can't make it this year :'(Weakest excuse I've ever heard Bishboy.....harden up pal! :D
The locals make up the majority where ever the event is. All you nsw guys should be embarrassed. Support your own event. It's the same every year with the vintage mr mx.That's true, Qld had big numbers at the Classic Titles at Wyaralong last year now it's NSW turn..
How many of the viper boys are going ?
Where have you been over the last 4-5 years don;t rember seeing you at any of them . ???
Look I have rang a couple of guys who I know are riding and they tell me they cant find entries? I suggested MA website.http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Event_Documents/2013/Post_Classic_MX/Post_Classic_MX_Supp_Regs_Final_V1_27FEB13.pdf
What are you riding Dave?
A4 250 John - its the newest thing Ive got!
5 entries recieved today
MA has been advised that we we won`t be paying the invoice for the $2,200 permit fee
Thank you Senior my own thoughts are to qualify you must have competed in 4 or more rounds in your states clubs vmx competition.I have been to most title events. The most I can remember was three or four at Broadford. You talk as if the events are littered with young guys.
Thank you Senior my own thoughts are to qualify you must have competed in 4 or more rounds in your states clubs vmx competition.I have been to most title events. The most I can remember was three or four at Broadford. You talk as if the events are littered with young guys.
How many title events would you have placed but for the hired guns?
How many title events have you raced?
The fact that the local riders don't want to support what should be a large and great event in their own back yard points the finger squarely at them.
It would be good if we had it up here in Queensland next year. We love to ride up here, not just talk about it.
Brad it would appear that we are much better at talking it up down here. If NSW doesn't support this we deserve all the s#^t that will be thrown our way.
I've entered so I should be entitled to have a say, Firstly a big thankyou to the organising club for putting in the effort to give us the opertunity to have the privelage to compete in a national event. i don't race very often due to time and financial reasons but I try to do at least one event a year with a couple of local club days prior as practice, if a major VMX or VDT event is within my reach I'll do my damnest to be there. I had to borrow money and not ride my bike to save the rings just so I could have a go at this one. I don't expect to win but just to enjoy the experience and say I competed at a national level in the sport i am passionate about will do me. I am still confident there will be a flood of entries this week.
Lame the track down. Make the race three laps. Don't prepare your bike. Don't do anything in the way of fitness. Smoke, piss it up, talk it up.
Do you really think you'd be in with a chance at a title?
The fast guys are always going to be fast. Three laps or ten. Jumps/no jumps.
Most club days are more than five laps on a bike and people seem to make it about (yes even the grey haired ones) without the need for a heart massage afterwards. ???
Challenge yourselves. :-[
(Take a day off work. You'll be dead one day so why fuggin' worry about it!)
Its a good job you don't have to put an entry into heaven when you die some might be waiting a while to get in!
for what its worth, I think it comes down to a traditionally non VMX club, ( stand corrected ) throwing their hand up for the movement and not having that full inter club support of VMXers to run with it, good on them for having a go, but what about the piss poor effort of the local VMX clubs, all the hard work is being done for you guys, just turn up and ride, its a National Event showcasing our sport, not a practice day or club day, I hope you never get it again as its a piss poor effort to leave this club stranded which looks like YOUVE DONE.
cheers Worms, how many evo , pre85, pre 90 riders alone in NSW?
I've entered so I should be entitled to have a say, Firstly a big thankyou to the organising club for putting in the effort to give us the opertunity to have the privelage to compete in a national event. i don't race very often due to time and financial reasons but I try to do at least one event a year with a couple of local club days prior as practice, if a major VMX or VDT event is within my reach I'll do my damnest to be there. I had to borrow money and not ride my bike to save the rings just so I could have a go at this one. I don't expect to win but just to enjoy the experience and say I competed at a national level in the sport i am passionate about will do me. I am still confident there will be a flood of entries this week.Firekwaka's post kind of makes most of the other lame excuses seem......errr, lame. I know of a couple of forum regulars who aren't doing well financially due to the economic downturn but their love of the sport and their will to see the event succeed has seen them "rob Peter to pay Paul" to be able to afford the journey and entry.
I was at the Glenbawn round and we had the Heaven people pleading us to have the event supported and I know all the Northern guys have been passionate about us supporting it as well.
I was at the Glenbawn round and we had the Heaven people pleading us to have the event supported and I know all the Northern guys have been passionate about us supporting it as well.So where are all their entries then? It's in their backyard.
This may have already been covered but if not....
I am just your average vmxer: couple of bikes, attend ride days and most of my local vmx clubs races.
I have always thought that the nationals/mr vmx were really just for the best riders in vmx nationally and that an average/bunny like me would get in the way and hence I should stay away.
I wonder if a lot of average vmxers have the same impression and hence don't bother with nationals/ Mr Vmx?
Maybe one way to help change this impression is make the nationals one of the rounds of the states vmx club, I.e make it round one of viper when it is held in Victoria. Or maybe promote the fact that it is not just for the guns?
Btw - I am not trying to take pot shots at anyone here, rather I am just trying to offer constructive ideas to help improve.
Prize money (if any) would be split evenly between all riders that start the first heat of racing (minimum 1 lap)...And you wouldnt get in the way-The better riders will just go around you.
So now the finger pointing starts. ::)So I invited former Lakes Juniors Danny Ham and Craig Anderson to ride,
The idea of longer races has a few big positives.
1) It is a true representation of Motocross and given the bikes at the Post Classic National are all of the long travel ERAs it seems much more reasonable to have longer races.
2) It is much less likely that a few riders will dominate and if they do then winning 3 x 15+1 motos in multiple classes truely indicates that they are very very worthy Champions. Luck will play a much smaller part in the outcome.
3) Bike preparation, rider fitness, race strategy and rider ability become the measure instead of who has the best bike or who gets the holeshot.
The local club should dominate entries theory. I have not seen the entry list but from my discussions the current low entry break up is along your 70-80% local entries as suggested. The problem is the low entries overall not where they come from.
The 'GUN' rider theory. This is a National Title FFS. I would like nothing better than to see the top 10 current MXers fighting out the Pre90 500 Title what a fantastic sight to see the bikes ridden like they were in the day. Look at Historic Road Racing. Massive grids at the Island Classic and National Titles with many many 'ring in' riders from current top level inter-nationals.
"GUN" riders have always been a part of MX no one complained in the 70's when a certain short Suzuki Factory rider came and cleaned up 3 of the 4 National Titles on his 125. No one said effing Suzuki bringin in a GUN. We all watched in amazment to see what could be done.
If this thing falls over for want of entries I will have a lot of difficulty looking the Lakes Club guys in the eye as I was involved in getting them involved. At this point we need positive input to get the entries in not trying to point the finger of blame that will just result in the Post Classic Titles disappearing up it's own 'A" for years to come. I have probably said too much
As of an hour ago my entry is in.... :) oh and I am from NSW just for you nay-sayers.... :Ponya green man ;)
Get 'em in guys and lets get it happening !!
As of an hour ago my entry is in.... :) oh and I am from NSW just for you nay-sayers.... :P
Get 'em in guys and lets get it happening !!
Graham you can have my EVO if you like. Ring me if your keen.
4. Entries
4.1 Entries are now open and close last mail 12th April 2013 (3 weeks prior to event)
I would not expect an enrty posted on friday to get there on time ::)
My message to the guys who could ride but are undecided or have chosen not to... etc, etc, etcWhat a great post Ken, you couldn't have said it any better.............As Nike says in their ads, Just do it.
My message to the guys who could ride but are undecided or have chosen not to...
When I first heard that the Lakes club had put their hand up to run this event on one of the best Motocross race tracks we ride on I was blown away. After the disappointment of last year, I thought how lucky we were to have the opportunity to participate in a National Event like this in our own back yard, on such a great track, run by such a switched on club.
I personally thought I had better get my entry in early as I feared my favourite class, the EVO 250 would be oversubscribed and I didn't want to miss out.
Initially puzzled when I heard that the entries weren't coming in, after reading this thread and speaking with a few guys last weekend, I am now getting a sense of why some riders are undecided or choosing not to ride.
My message to those riders/racers is this,
Most of us were lucky enough to have lived through the 70s & 80s of dirt bike racing / riding in Australia. Those who didn’t ride back then but do now probably wish they had ridden back then. The VMX movement has given us a chance to experience the adrenaline rush and freedom of going hard on our favourite dirt bike once again. To feel those butterflys as you line up for the start, that sense of satisfaction when you have ridden a good race, had a bit of a dog fight with a mate and crossed the line ready to race again. I would be surprised if there were any of us who didn't smile to themselves despite the pain of stiff muscles on the Monday and Tuesday afterwards when they thought back on that great pass they made in one race or the fact they finally beat ‘that guy’ in the next race.
I know some guys are thinking “it’s a national event, it’s not for me, it’s only for the fast guys” That is the point though, are you ever going to get a chance to race an AUSTRALIAN NATIONAL TITLE again? Because it is VMX you would be racing with most of the guys you race with in your club days anyway. Sure, there will be a handful of ringin fast guys who will disappear off into that dust after the start, but after that, you’ll be left racing in a NATIONAL TITLE on a fantastic track, with your mates!
Isn’t that something you would like to tick off your bucket list? Wouldn’t that be a great memory to add to your arsenal?
If you are worried about the length of the races, we all are! All of us, except for the 2 or 3 super fit guys will be slowing down as the races go on, I guarantee it. You will not be on your own, and if you get lucky as many often do in the authentic longer format Motocross races, you’ll benefit from some guys in front of you running out of puff, their bike breaking or an unplanned expedition off the track.
Rather than avoiding the longer races, or being spooked by the ‘Fast Guy’s, maybe another way to approach it is proudly tell your family and friends “I’m racing an AUSTRALIAN NATIONAL TITLE next month, train your ass off for the next 4 weeks and put in your best. Invite them along to cheer you on.
Memories of the Great experiences we have all had are the reward of getting off our back sides and getting involved in life. This meeting has the potential of being one of those experiences.
DON”T MISS OUT!!! Don’t be one of those guys who come up to me and say “I probably should have ridden it but I don’t know, I didn’t think it was for me”
Mr VMX is a fantastic event, a chance to get a taste of what it was like for Gally and Gunter back in the day and one of the funnest race meetings on the calendar. I know some guys don’t race that race for the same reason but I can guarantee you that the guys who do race it, rave about how much fun they had.
Most of us are past our prime, but many of us refuse to let that stop us from grabbing with both hands opportunities to still get the most enjoyment out of life.
If you fill out your entry form today, you can still RACE AN AUSTRALIAN NATIONAL TITLE!
What a privilege!
(If the tone of this message has come across in any way other than to take a positive approach to this fantastic opportunity then I apologize. It certainly wasn't meant to.)
... I spoke to a couple of people from the LMMC today & they said they will not be excepting "ENTRYS FORMS" after Fridays mail. "IF YOU WANT TO ENTER YOU WILL HAVE TO EXPRESS POST YOUR FORMS WITH PAYMENT NO LATER THAN TOMORROW"
we have made 120 entries our minimum requirement to go ahead with this meeting
This...... I spoke to a couple of people from the LMMC today & they said they will not be excepting "ENTRYS FORMS" after Fridays mail. "IF YOU WANT TO ENTER YOU WILL HAVE TO EXPRESS POST YOUR FORMS WITH PAYMENT NO LATER THAN TOMORROW"
...plus this....we have made 120 entries our minimum requirement to go ahead with this meeting
...makes me wonder if the Lakes club is now actually wanting the event to fall over.
Cynical?
Yes, but surely the vibe should be much more: "Come on! Get your entries in! If you want to enter but you can't get them here by Friday, give us a call and we'll see what we can work out"...?
[My entry with payment sent Express Post today]
Ok, my knee & hip have not healed-up yet but I'm going to enter tomorrow in the hope that I'll be ok.
Just printed-off the sup-regs, it shows practise is only on Friday and none on Sat?! I read earlier in this thread that practise was Sat morning? I will have to drive up on Friday and wouldn't like to have to race with no practise. I know, here'll be some smart-arse here that'll say "it's a National title, you can take an extra day off for that" ..... no I can't, and I can't afford the extra days accommodation.
I read in the sup-regs that there is practise on Sunday morning!!! Why would you need practise then?!!!! Maybe a quick 2-lap warm-up in the mornings?
Can someone please confirm, thankyou.
Ok, my knee & hip have not healed-up yet but I'm going to enter tomorrow in the hope that I'll be ok.Good effort mate. Coming from Qld I too was wondering about practice sat morning or whether i need to leave a day earlier to make it for practice friday.
Just printed-off the sup-regs, it shows practise is only on Friday and none on Sat?! I read earlier in this thread that practise was Sat morning? I will have to drive up on Friday and wouldn't like to have to race with no practise. I know, here'll be some smart-arse here that'll say "it's a National title, you can take an extra day off for that" ..... no I can't, and I can't afford the extra days accommodation.
I read in the sup-regs that there is practise on Sunday morning!!! Why would you need practise then?!!!! Maybe a quick 2-lap warm-up in the mornings?
Can someone please confirm, thankyou.
I read in the sup-regs that there is practise on Sunday morning!!! Why would you need practise then?!!!!
as far as the event goes, it is an Australian titleLets hope the entries roll in over the next 2 days, i know of a few people who sent their entries today, myself included.
25 championship classes & not 1 yet elegible for championship status (10 in a class)
This...... I spoke to a couple of people from the LMMC today & they said they will not be excepting "ENTRYS FORMS" after Fridays mail. "IF YOU WANT TO ENTER YOU WILL HAVE TO EXPRESS POST YOUR FORMS WITH PAYMENT NO LATER THAN TOMORROW"
...plus this....we have made 120 entries our minimum requirement to go ahead with this meeting
...makes me wonder if the Lakes club is now actually wanting the event to fall over.
Cynical?
Yes, but surely the vibe should be much more: "Come on! Get your entries in! If you want to enter but you can't get them here by Friday, give us a call and we'll see what we can work out"...?
[My entry with payment sent Express Post today]
If you have been holding out till the last minute to enter, you may be contributing to this event's demise.
GT
Somewhere between 80 to 85 . Greg would be able to correct me on that though.
Not all HEAVEN members ride both era's though, so that reduces the available numbers and there are also those guys in the club that would never race in an Aussie title, no matter where it is.
You're unbelievable mate.
Now you're saying it's the clubs fault because you (and a lot of other people) don't have the common courtesy, to put an entry form in with some punctuality!
I for one wouldn't blame them for pulling the pin. This is a disgrace! ???
Hi what you are missing is the SUB REGS were posted in FEBRUARY it is now APRIL and 3 weeks from the event we also have to organise holidays, track maintenance guys who have their own businesses and have to schedule their work around this event. We are not talking about 1 day off work we are talking about a week of holidays so you can all have a bitch at what we are doing for you.
I will stop there before I let fly with the rest of it !!!!!!! ???
We too can run a round of the Australian MX Titles in 1 day as there is only 3 classes to run and not 28 and all these entries are all taken in advance not on the day. The Junior Aussie MX Titles we hosted in 2010 the entries were closed 3 weeks in advance and that event attracted over 750 competitors for 7 days.You can't compare eager young juniors with with parents who are willing to spend their last dime on little Johnny cos they think he's the next Chad Reed to a bunch of old guys well past their use by date who ride for fun and work/funds permitting.
We too can run a round of the Australian MX Titles in 1 day as there is only 3 classes to run and not 28 and all these entries are all taken in advance not on the day. The Junior Aussie MX Titles we hosted in 2010 the entries were closed 3 weeks in advance and that event attracted over 750 competitors for 7 days.
Sounds like combining classes and double gate-drops are needed.That's what they did last year in QLD..
Nathan so you are comfortable drawing comparisions between VMX and Rally driving but anyone mentioning other MX meetings are completely off target ::)
However, as a rider who has entered according to the Supp Regs, it's a bit hard to take being told that the it's all my fault that the event is lacking in entries...It's not riders like you that have entered the event Nathan, it those who can but haven't. I was starting to think that the downturn in the economy was having a bigger influence in why the entries are so low than I'd thought but when I hear that there were two classic road race meetings last weekend that achieved very good entries and that the June 16 meeting at Nepean has a full complement of entries already, the problem has to be more deeply rooted.
Hang about....Seperate races.. where have you been Nathan?
Are the age races seperate races, or just a seperate pointscore in the 'normal' races?
MA you soon learn you don't pay them till it is definitely going to happen as they are very slow to return your money.
Hang about....Seperate races.. where have you been Nathan?
Are the age races seperate races, or just a seperate pointscore in the 'normal' races?
Read the MOMS Nathan I'm not getting into another of your famous circular augments. The permit fee (paid before the meeting) is fixed while the rider fee (paid after the meeting) is payable on the number of actual riders.
At this point (as of last night) there are no classes that have reached Championship status! I would guess that there will be 3-5 classes that make the required numbers out of 28. It was never envisaged that all classes would make it to Championship status. With around 30hrs to close of entries to have less than half the number of riders to make it even moderately successful was also never envisaged. It seems inept for people to suggest that the entry numbers could double via late entries. When would be a good time to close the entries? Let’s say one week out at that point the entries are still low so the event doesn’t go how do people deal with booked holidays, accommodation etc etc. It would be unfair on people that have done the right thing and entered before this Friday.
Late entrants are not hero’s that have stepped in to save the day they are the bain of organisers. Some people have actually indicated they are waiting to see if the meet goes before entering while others have actually indicated that they are waiting for a clearer indication of weather forecast. WTF.
What people suggest regarding entry closing, late entries and last minute stuff make it difficult for a club day let alone an Open or National. The Scheduling of VMX meetings with all the classes is far more difficult than something like a National MX round with only 3 classes and very low cross entering
Firko i think the fact that vmx is so healthy up here is probably holding a few back from travelling to the NatsIf that's the case the Nats concept needs to be examined to find a way of getting racers back. I'm not involved in this section of the sport but I'm genuinely saddened by the overall scenario. There needs to be an attitudinal change or these events will disappear for good. Once the word gets out about this I doubt we'll ever see non vintage clubs put their hands up to run it again.
Evo 125 Evo 250 Evo 263 + Pre 85 125 Pre 85 250 Pre 85 263 +That's forked.. Does that include today's mail?
3 13 9 3 11 6
Pre 90 125 Pre 90 250 Pre 90 263 + Pre 85 Sidecars
3 7 7 3
125 >30 125 30-39 125 40-49 125 50-59 125 < 60
0 1 1 2 0
250 >30 250 30-39 250 40-49 250 50-59 250 >60
2 1 4 6 2
263+ <30 263+ 30-39 263+ 40-49 263+ 50-59 263+ >60
0 1 3 4 2
This is without the Super Senior classes
However, as a rider who has entered according to the Supp Regs, it's a bit hard to take being told that the it's all my fault that the event is lacking in entries...
I'm sure I'm not the only one to feel this way.
Did you get my entry? Brad van Barrelo. I entered Evo 250, Evo open and pre 90 open.
Man I have read some twaddle in my time, but this lot takes some beating.Thankyou so much for your clear and logically points that puts this whole thing into perspective. Fantastic post!!
The irony is that when the big push for Pre85 and Pre90 was on, a lot of noise was along the lines of "if you dont let in the newer eras the sport will die as the old bikes and riders drop out"
Reality is the Classic Nats 2012 had champion level entries in every class including Pre60 All Powers, Pre65 250, 13 riders and 263+8 riders. Pre 75 250cc attracted 43 entries alone.
Nearly every age group had championship fields (the up to 30 and 30-39 being the exception) Superseniors (over 70yo)had 8 ffs. 50-59 age in 250cc had 28 riders.Pre75 125cc 50-59 had 16 entries but -30 had only 3
So much for old bikes and old blokes dropping out if there's no new eras.
Pre 78 went ballistic, now being the new bikes in "Classic" with 33 250s and 24 125s and 38 263+.Lakes could meet their quota with Pre78 alone.
Part of the mantra from the Pre85 and 90 lobbyists was ( longer races, more tracks suitable for our superior suspention and brakes) which is exactly what Lakes is offering.
The economy. Yes we all know its tough out there, and we feel for those who are genuinely sruggling, however it was tough 9 months ago and the punters turned up in droves.
There has been a lot of talk about how the local clubs should provide 70/80% of the entry.
For the statistically minded herewith is how the Classic Nat demographic went.It is calculated on classes entered ( a more illustrative stat than rider entries). Ive separated Central/North Qld as alot of them travelled further than Sydney riders for instance. WA is also separate as their logistical effort is so great. NSW, Vict. and SA are grouped.Qld metro includes Sunshine and Gold Coast.
NSW/Vict/SA 32%
North Qld 7%
West Aust 4%
Metro Qld 57%
Im not offering any conclusion as to the contrasting support for the 2012 Classic and the 2013 Post Classic.A lot of the reasons for the lack of entries for the Post Classic are valid, but they were mostly equally valid 10 months ago.
to add too Col's stat's.
From race programs.
Bikes:
Qld Conondale Nationals:
84-pre85/Evo
219-pre78
SA Crystal Brook:
130-pre90
304-pre78
Just noticed John your from outrim, I'm originally from Inverloch and still have Brother and some mates in Leogatha.....
65 bikes, from the update from yesterday.What does saying that achieve other than getting the host clubs nose out of joint? They've ticked pretty much every box yet people want to pick holes in what they are doing. It's a simple matter of people not getting behind Vmx by entering.
The talk of blame is interesting - as I said earlier, it's a two way street. The business that blames its potential customers for not buying their product, is never going to prosper. ;)
Because I've got my nose out of joint about the riders being blamed.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought we all want this event to go ahead and be a success - everyone who's said "I'm not going because...", has been dismissed as a whinger or making excuses.
It may be too late for this event, but surely there's some useful input from those "whingers"?
I am one of and I am sure not the only guy who missed the deadline for a variety of reasons.The day isn't over. Email your entry in bud.
My only question is the club going to extend the entry date to give the meeting some oxygen or is it all over?
Why anyone would want to put up their hand to put an event on, to a bunch of old whinging pricks that want to blame the hosting club and moan about all sorts of things that are the reason why they can't make it. Its only natural the club has a spit when they have put so much into it. Especially after all the bullshit talk up of such an event. Plenty of guys had plenty to say in the beginning.
Cyber racing at its finest.
Why anyone would want to put up their hand to put an event on, to a bunch of old whinging pricks that want to blame the hosting club and moan about all sorts of things that are the reason why they can't make it. Its only natural the club has a spit when they have put so much into it. Especially after all the bullshit talk up of such an event. Plenty of guys had plenty to say in the beginning.
Cyber racing at its finest.
Hmmm who's the whinging prick?
65 bikes, from the update from yesterday.
The talk of blame is interesting - as I said earlier, it's a two way street. The business that blames its potential customers for not buying their product, is never going to prosper. ;)
65 bikes, from the update from yesterday.What does saying that achieve other than getting the host clubs nose out of joint? They've ticked pretty much every box yet people want to pick holes in what they are doing. It's a simple matter of people not getting behind Vmx by entering.
The talk of blame is interesting - as I said earlier, it's a two way street. The business that blames its potential customers for not buying their product, is never going to prosper. ;)
I am one of and I am sure not the only guy who missed the deadline for a variety of reasons.The day isn't over. Email your entry in bud.
My only question is the club going to extend the entry date to give the meeting some oxygen or is it all over?
Steady-on you guys, riders have the right to pick & choose what events they want to ride at without you high & mighty hero's bagging them out. If riders did not want to ride, and it is obvious a great many did not, then the conditions were not right, be it entry closing date, number of days racing, length of races, the colour jocks of the starter was going to wear, it doesn't matter but if another club wants to have a crack then they will pay attention to the reasons why to pull it off.In the context of this forum and all the 'talk' when the split came, then when it was to be in Tasmania last year and the major influx of reasons why it fell over and everybody put their two cents worth in. Now it's time to stand and be counted most have decided to race their keyboard.
I think you all deserve to apologize for taking attitude towards your fellow vmx'ers as I think your attitude is not what this sport is all about.
What's the plan if a class is over subscribed?
Steady-on you guys, riders have the right to pick & choose what events they want to ride at without you high & mighty hero's bagging them out. If riders did not want to ride, and it is obvious a great many did not, then the conditions were not right, be it entry closing date, number of days racing, length of races, the colour jocks of the starter was going to wear, it doesn't matter but if another club wants to have a crack then they will pay attention to the reasons why to pull it off.
I think you all deserve to apologize for taking attitude towards your fellow vmx'ers as I think your attitude is not what this sport is all about.
I am one of and I am sure not the only guy who missed the deadline for a variety of reasons.The day isn't over. Email your entry in bud.
My only question is the club going to extend the entry date to give the meeting some oxygen or is it all over?
Brad's right Damo - besides, if you don't enter, I'll ride your bike. :D
This getting stupid now, don't turn on yourselves guy's or next years titles might be made up grudge match's, hang on that might be a good thing and encourage more entries. ;)
There will be I have no doubt, for whatever reason it didn't happen last year or doesn't look like happening this year a split was inevitable.
In 5 years time both Classic & Post Classic will be kicking arse and Dirttrack will be the big brother, just as it was. ;D ;)
All jokes aside, I am new to this sport and I really would love to see this bring the whole VMX community together from the old bikes through to pre 90 guys.
The little bit of racing I have done including some Northern Districts, Mr VMX, and last years EVO Challenge at Lakes which were combined Heaven and Pre 90 events were a complete blast just being there.
Lets not forget this is just a social sport.
Cheers
I put my entry in soon as the regs came out , me thinking to get in fast so I dont miss out ;) wasnt I wrong :'(
looks like its done and dusted , all to little to late ???
I may have jumped the gate then Ando ;) may the faith be with us all ;) see you on the start lineI put my entry in soon as the regs came out , me thinking to get in fast so I dont miss out ;) wasnt I wrong :'(
looks like its done and dusted , all to little to late ???
I still have faith Mick! I have a strong feeling it will still happen & will except more entries! Fingers crossed hey!! 8)
Lakes Champs 12/4/13You are going to have to spell it out for us Darren as the link doesn't do anything to clear it up for me :-[
http://www.lakesmotorcycleclub.com/
Lakes Champs 12/4/13
http://www.lakesmotorcycleclub.com/
Well??
Lakes Champs 12/4/13
http://www.lakesmotorcycleclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2013-Lakes-Championships-sub-regs-F.pdf
Lakes Champs 12/4/13
http://www.lakesmotorcycleclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2013-Lakes-Championships-sub-regs-F.pdf
Two thoughts:
1. Does the Lakes MBC think it would be worth their while to run a vintage-only club meet on that weekend? Would MA offer a permit?
2. Anyone who was "gunna" enter should ring and beg and plead for the club to accept a late entry. With a $50 late fee, the financial side might be more palatable for the organisers.
Hi with a grand total of 71 riders it does not look like proceeding
The biggest field has only 18 bikes and I will post the tally sheet up sometime in the next couple of days.
We will make a formal announcement on Monday after consultation with MA.
Those that have done the right thing and entered THANK YOU those that have been hanging off also a big thank you as it now looks like I will have an extra week of holidays that I can spend in America !!!
Hi Damo I will post a list of bikes in each class with what state they came from but I won't publish names.
I have spoken to Rob and we are prepared to submit for it again next year so I think a lot will need to be sorted out between now and then so as to make it happen. This event deserves the prestige of any National Title but with out the full commitment of all VMX riders it will never get to that level which is a shame. Riders have to understand what is involved in promoting an Australian Title cause it is not something that can be altered at the drop of a hat and any hosting club must have numbers by a certain date to be able to proceed with an event. Late entries are only a filler for classes that are not fully subscribed, not to make a meeting happen.
What a bugger, I was looking forward to being a part of the Nats for the first time on one of my favourite tracks.
So who else entered the Nats and is hanging on Monday's decision? (copy the text and add to yourself like the vmx no. listing own post). I've put down the classes that I know of (without evo age classes) maybe others in the know can add to it/amend it;
Evo 125 333 odd1
Evo 250
Evo +263 333 odd1
Pre 85 125
Pre85 250
#70 Woody
Pre85 +263
Pre85 sidecars 333 odd1/popeye
Pre 90 125
Pre90 250
Pre90 +263
Evo 125 333 odd1
Evo 250
#222 Ken
Evo +263 333 odd1
Pre 85 125
Pre85 250
#70 Woody
#162 Geoff
#222 Ken
Pre85 +263
Pre85 sidecars 333 odd1/ POPEYE
Pre 90 125 65-Popeye
Pre90 250
Pre90 +263
Evo 125 333 odd1
Evo 250
#222 Ken
Evo +263 333 odd1
Pre 85 125
Pre85 250
#70 Woody
#162 Geoff
#222 Ken
Pre85 +263
Pre85 sidecars 333 odd1/ POPEYE
Pre 90 125 65-Popeye
Pre90 250
Pre90 +263
Marty Wright
While this listing will no doubt be entertaining for the forum shit stirrers to get into those who didn't enter the Nats, I think it can only contribute to further division within the Post Classic ranks. Lets move on from the blame game and try and sort out the reasons for the entry shortcomings so that any club wanting to run the event in the future can work to make it worth entering .Exactly.. All this shit isn't solving anything.
You just did :D :D :DIt's not on the LIST that keeps getting quoted!
If anyone wants to blame someone blame me. I made several unfortunate assumptions and recommended them to Lakes.
A few photos from the meeting in August this year
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What are these figures Brad?Some of the forum members who entered the titles Col..
What will happen at the 2013 Classic Nats is 130-160 entries (250-350 bikes).The Perth guys are organising containers, Canberra is central,the Classic riders seem more dedicated than their later era brethren, etc. The 2014 Post Classic Nats will take off as apart from anything else the riders have had a giant wake up call and surely realise another failure will be an even bigger set back. Sure, a number of the reasons given for lack of entries are valid and no doubt taken on board, but at the end of the day its down to the riders supporting their sport.
Hmmm - I wonder how many people entered that aren't involved with this forum? ;)
pin officially pulled:'( maybe third time lucky this event will happen.
when we can sort out what you really want, we might try again next year
camping will still be unavailable due to Transgrid Easement (as mentioned several times here)
Evo 125
333 odd1
Supersenior
Evo 250
#090 Brad
#222 Ken
#297 Shaun
#818 Nathan
Supersenior
Evo +263
#090 Brad
#333 odd1
Supersenior
#mick25
Pre 85 125
Pre85 250
#70 Woody
#162 Geoff
#222 Ken
#10 Hardo
#818 Nathan
Pre85 +263
Pre85 sidecars
#333 odd1 / Popeye
Pre 90 125
#65 Popeye
#818 Nathan
Pre90 250
#10 Hardo
#297 Shaun
Pre90 +263
#090 Brad
#68 Marty
#297 Shaun
+ Johnny O
+ Toolboy
+ Toolboy's son
+ Head
+ Damo
+ Montynut
+ Ando
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Hmmm - I wonder how many people entered that aren't involved with this forum? ;)
pin officially pulled
when we can sort out what you really want, we might try again next year
camping will still be unavailable due to Transgrid Easement (as mentioned several times here)
A pre 85 or pre 90 rider with one bike would get 3 races + practice over 3 days, EVO would get 6 + practice. Some classes may end up combined to give more time or I would prefer shorter races and add an all powers to pre 85 & 90. Just a preference I will race regardless.
evo has age races you wont get away with it ma will insist you have them.classic dirt track mx same rules.Yes Jim but Nathan doesn't let the facts get in the way of his view. Next year in Yass then ::)
jim