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Title: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on December 21, 2012, 09:21:15 PM
It is now official that The Lakes Motor Bike Club has been awarded the 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles to be held at the Lakes Circuit near Toronto NSW on the weekend of 4/5 May 2013. A lot of details are naturally still to be confirmed such as start times, access Friday etc. There are a few details that many will be interested in
•   There is no camping at the circuit due to the zoning of the land
•   There is ample accommodation very close by.
•   We need to know the likely number for the sidecars as the track will need to be licenced. This should not be a problem as it currently has quad licencing.
The circuit is a favourite of Heaven Club particularly with the EVO and Pre85 riders. The facilities are good and the circuit is a good all-weather track. Its layout and design fits extremely well with the Post Classic Eras.
http://www.lakesmotorcycleclub.com/
The Heaven VMX Club and Northern Districts MC Club will be offering assistance wherever possible to make the meeting a success.

More details as they come to hand

A few photos from the meeting in August this year
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Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on December 21, 2012, 09:27:54 PM
Lakes is located around 70min north of Sydney (well 70min up the F3) the track is only 3Km off the freeway
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: firko on December 21, 2012, 10:02:38 PM
 Great news.....I wouldn't miss it for quids. Cool track.                                                       
                                                               (http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/Photo0169_zps6c4f9e28.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: John Orchard on December 21, 2012, 10:34:27 PM
Is Toronto the closest place to book accommodation?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Noel on December 21, 2012, 10:41:11 PM
yes
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: SON on December 21, 2012, 11:27:48 PM
Try Www.visitnewcastle.com.au
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Nathan S on December 21, 2012, 11:59:29 PM
Excellent. :)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Slakewell on December 22, 2012, 07:34:12 AM
Shall I book you a bed Firko? Looks like castle Slakewell will be full as a fat ladies sock.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: 09.0 on December 22, 2012, 08:49:39 AM
Awesome. Looks like a good track to do some real mx. I'm in!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Davey Crocket on December 22, 2012, 08:55:46 AM
Looks really cool, I'll be there.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: firko on December 22, 2012, 11:06:22 AM
Quote
Shall I book you a bed Firko? Looks like castle Slakewell will be full as a fat ladies sock
Thanks for the invite Slakester, you can book me and my old mate in, we'll bring the BBQ and Margarita fixin's and you set up the blender 8). If you're going to race we'll give you a hand in the pits ;).
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: EML on December 22, 2012, 11:42:19 AM
Since it's in Toronto do we need to bring our own pancakes and syrup? What about the grizzly bears and Indians?? Oh and lets hope there's not too many lumberjacks!!!
I'll endeavor to get a sidecar count but I think 10 would be about right being as it's 1/2 way between here and Mexico.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: firko on December 22, 2012, 11:48:13 AM
Sidecars in NSW...now that's a novelty :). I may stand corrected but I don't think sidecars have ever been on the program for an Australian Vintage Motocross Championship held in NSW.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: EML on December 22, 2012, 11:52:38 AM
Best you buckle-up then Mr Firkin and bring mum for a look-see cause we gonna be there.
Might even get some GREAT shots for the VMX mag story---finally. (Front Cover, here we come)
"We keep gettin' richer but we can't get our picture---on the cover of the VMX mag"
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: SON on December 22, 2012, 04:19:48 PM
Lakes is licensed for 16 Quads so 16 Sidecars looks like the max,
This will be good to see,
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: maico police on December 22, 2012, 04:26:23 PM
Looks great. I'll be there..... 8)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Shaun G on December 22, 2012, 09:24:49 PM
Excellent news!

I reckon this will be a huge meeting. The track at Lakes is awesome and the club will go all out to put on a great event.

Can't wait to see capacity grids across all eras. Especially the Pre '90's for the first time at this level.

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu202/STG_23/IMG_8831_zpsd88874ac.jpg)

My money is on this guy to be the man to beat  ;D

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu202/STG_23/IMG_8629_zps8f149b07.jpg)

Cheers
Shaun
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: EML on December 23, 2012, 11:13:43 AM
So do you want pre90 outfits as well as pre85s  Does that mean 2 classes?? separate or run together??
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: SON on December 24, 2012, 03:50:11 PM
How many of each are likely to enter?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on December 24, 2012, 05:29:52 PM
So do you want pre90 outfits as well as pre85s  Does that mean 2 classes?? separate or run together??

The GCRs only mention a Pre85 sidecar class for the Post Classic Titles. Is there a Pre90 class?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: EML on December 24, 2012, 10:35:32 PM
We here in Qld and the ASA both have a pre90 class for the first light weights- mostly to keep us apart I suspect though we do run concurrently. If you want bigger fields , invite them. However, it will confuse the spectators.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: odd1 on December 25, 2012, 06:12:15 AM
There is no reason why there cant be you guys are making the rules.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: SON on December 25, 2012, 06:24:15 AM
that's right!
Golden opportunity to get it right in the regs before they are done, not bitching after,
it is looking like 16 max
How many are out there wanting to ride?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: odd1 on December 25, 2012, 06:31:19 AM
Well as far as I know I have 1 there is a team in the act who have a pre 90 and pre 85 and while you are making the rules why does have to be pre 90? 90 would be better.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: odd1 on December 25, 2012, 06:36:55 AM
Bring your 70 dollars you can protest
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: odd1 on December 25, 2012, 08:43:31 AM
As i said bring your 70 dollars put up or shut up
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Slakewell on December 25, 2012, 09:51:49 AM
Excellent news!

I reckon this will be a huge meeting. The track at Lakes is awesome and the club will go all out to put on a great event.

Can't wait to see capacity grids across all eras. Especially the Pre '90's for the first time at this level.

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu202/STG_23/IMG_8831_zpsd88874ac.jpg)

My money is on this guy to be the man to beat  ;D

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu202/STG_23/IMG_8629_zps8f149b07.jpg)

Cheers
Shaun

I know two enties that can run at his pace and will be better equipped this time out.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on December 25, 2012, 02:54:33 PM

I know two enties that can run at his pace and will be better equipped this time out.

I think Burtie would look forward to having heaps of top competition. The biggest smile on his face I've seen is when he has a tough race win or loss.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: 09.0 on December 25, 2012, 06:14:43 PM
Excellent news!

I reckon this will be a huge meeting. The track at Lakes is awesome and the club will go all out to put on a great event.

Can't wait to see capacity grids across all eras. Especially the Pre '90's for the first time at this level.

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu202/STG_23/IMG_8831_zpsd88874ac.jpg)

My money is on this guy to be the man to beat  ;D

(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu202/STG_23/IMG_8629_zps8f149b07.jpg)

Cheers
Shaun

I know two enties that can run at his pace and will be better equipped this time out.
Are you going to put them on a more reliable brand?  :P
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: rtb on December 25, 2012, 07:20:39 PM
Has anybody asked Mr Burt if he will be in Australia come May??

I hear he may be out of the country with Heavens no 1.

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: EML on December 26, 2012, 01:42:33 PM
Odd1 if anyone complains we'll find you something to drive.
Anyway, it sounds like if someone turned up with a Yam650 and it had some later bits inside no-one would complain would they?
 
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Slakewell on December 26, 2012, 03:46:05 PM

[/quote]

I know two enties that can run at his pace and will be better equipped this time out.
[/quote] Are you going to put them on a more reliable brand?  :P
[/quote]

Name one non Japanese company with more world titles? Come on you know you want one  ;D 
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: EML on December 26, 2012, 06:58:09 PM
Just as some solo classes are allowed to enter on the grounds that there were no improvements in the design, surely the difference in a pre90 and a '94 model is minute and once again, I suggest that to have a couple of 'ring-ins' to build up field numbers, is far more important at this time (no sidecar cross in NSW for several years) than to not have a race at all! ( FFS!!)
This is exactly the same argument we had before Wyaralong last year and look at the low numbers we had in that field.


Perhaps if you didn't want him to race it, you shouldn't have sold it to him! 
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on December 26, 2012, 09:06:45 PM
Just as some solo classes are allowed to enter on the grounds that there were no improvements in the design, surely the difference in a pre90 and a '94 model is minute and once again, I suggest that to have a couple of 'ring-ins' to build up field numbers, is far more important at this time (no sidecar cross in NSW for several years) than to not have a race at all! ( FFS!!)
This is exactly the same argument we had before Wyaralong last year and look at the low numbers we had in that field.


Perhaps if you didn't want him to race it, you shouldn't have sold it to him! 

We really want to have the sidecar at the Titles. Fropm their comments the Lakes Club a super keen to see the sidecars ripping around their track.

Presently the MOMS only has a Pre85 class listed and I would not think we could combine a championship class with a support class. Can we work on getting a grid of Pre85s?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: odd1 on December 26, 2012, 09:38:22 PM
Ok I am going to answer all your so called facts
1 Please don't refer to me as Steve only my mates get to call me by my first name and your not one of them.
2 The frame of my bike is stamped 9016 not 91 not 94 not 98 or 99
3 When the bike was purchased from Mr Huckstaple not one mention was made of 98 parts being on the bike  by him or you all that was said was it had new parts on it which to me meant new 90 parts not 98 and in fact it took you nearly 2 months to come clean and tell me it had 98 parts on it. This fact only came out when I asked you  for a letter to say that the frame was the same as a 89 there was nothing sinister in my request and please don't imply that I was trying to cheat.  When asked to produce the evidence that these parts are in fact 98 parts i'm still waiting. I won't hold my breath.
There are lots of great people who own and race and turn up and contribute to sidecar racing all you ever do is turn up to 1 race a year and spend the 11 months leading up to it throwing hand grenades. If you can't say anything positive shut up remember not 4 weeks ago you announced that you have retired go, the sport will be better off without you.
4 As far as an offer of a sidecar I think you will probably understand it I decline your hollow offer. Why don't you sponsor some young teams that live in SA instead of letting them collect dust.
5 John Robbinson was the EML importer
And finally please don't send me any hate mail I will post it straight up
Regards Stephen Baker
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: odd1 on December 26, 2012, 09:44:59 PM
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Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: 09.0 on December 26, 2012, 10:17:58 PM


I know two enties that can run at his pace and will be better equipped this time out.
[/quote] Are you going to put them on a more reliable brand?  :P
[/quote]

Name one non Japanese company with more world titles? Come on you know you want one  ;D 
[/quote] yes I want one but I don't need one. I already have the best of the eras!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Graeme M on December 27, 2012, 07:57:37 AM
Please everyone remember this thread is meant to be about promoting the 2013 Post ClaSSIC MX Titles.To that end reasonable discussion about eligibility is fair enough but it is NOT the place to air personal squabbles. In my view, the posts regarding a particular sidecar's eligibility are not in the spirit of the thread. I shall delete any more such posts.

You all can read the MOMS and at the end of the day, the MOMS and Supp Regs will define the competition. Entrants should bear these in mind when entering. It will be up to the officials on the day to make the call whether a machine conforms.

So let's keep to the theme of this thread. Thank you.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: EML on December 27, 2012, 10:25:35 AM
As usual, the shit hits the fan.
Thank you Grahame.

So, to clear it up, do we just want pre85s ( which unfortunately does include some nearly modern 2 strokers) or should we aim for pre90s

My honest opinion is to have a field of singles and twin fourstrokes only-they sound the goods and are all very close in competition.

Now, where did I see that SC500 motor, I want to build a "modern" pre75 :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: yungy on December 27, 2012, 10:56:08 AM
So these are pre 90s titles but sidecars are only upto pre 85, makes a lo of sense
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: TM BILL on December 27, 2012, 11:08:46 AM
So these are pre 90s titles but sidecars are only upto pre 85, makes a lo of sense

To be fair i think that its upto the sidecar people to submit applications or go through the correct channels to have the MOMs amended to include pre 90 sidecars .


That track at lakes looks great , i wont be in a position to ride ( not my era anyway ) but will try to come to watch and be pit Bitch for Joan , Brad and Stewy  etc  :)



Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: yungy on December 27, 2012, 12:05:46 PM
Well I consider myself a logical bloke hence when I saw pre 90s titles with a sidecar class I thought my 86 model would qualify as 86 comes before 90 so I think it strange that the class is only pre 85
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: SON on December 27, 2012, 10:28:53 PM
Greg I received your email, will reply tomorrow,
Everyone wants Sidecars but numbers???
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Lakes MBC on December 30, 2012, 04:33:30 AM
G`day guys
on board now to respond to all your requests to make this one the best ever
awaiting input
Rob & Darren
Lake Macquarie Motor Bike Club
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: 09.0 on December 30, 2012, 08:17:12 AM
Greg I received your email, will reply tomorrow,
Everyone wants Sidecars but numbers???
Herein lies the problem. All you sidecar guys cry foul. 'What about the sidecars', 'why can't we get a run?'
Yet you shoot yourselves in the foot nearly every time by not having numbers. I've never seen reasonable numbers at a nationals. Half reasonable at best when eras are combined. You guys need to commit!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: odd1 on December 30, 2012, 09:18:56 AM
Couldn't agree more well said Brad
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: SON on December 30, 2012, 11:51:27 AM
This is a big opportunity to grow this entire category of Motorcycle Sport.
Lakes is a great track that is very suited to VMX,
It has the most experienced and still enthusiastic management of any Club, with recent history of MX Nationals,  Aussie Junior Titles 700 Riders / 7 Days, NSW Titles over 3 days and Heaven rounds
It is centrally located half way between Qld and Vic/SA, in the Dirtbike Capital of the Country.
It will attract a heap of spectators with the chance of converting to future competitors,
The Hunter was strong in ATV sales with the Stockton Sandhills so close, so this could be the Sidecars chance to gather in some new recruits,
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: EML on December 30, 2012, 12:34:25 PM
This is a big opportunity to grow this entire category of Motorcycle Sport.
Lakes is a great track that is very suited to VMX,


so this could be the Sidecars chance to gather in some new recruits,

This is our only desire always
Thank you.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: popeye on December 30, 2012, 05:07:31 PM
Got yours going yet Yungy?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: 09.0 on December 30, 2012, 05:20:04 PM
Brad , as an outsider  thats a easy solution .  Lets for example apply  the same thing to your class .  Let's say your twinport  class gets filled up with non conforming  later bikes .  I am not talking about  riding up a class .  I am talking about your title class being filled up  with all sorts of creations  and  you as a conformer  , being left behind more every year .  You would fight for that  or sooner later walk away .  We all would like to see more bikes .  There are plenty  of them around for each class ( except pre 68  perhaps )  Because they have to race mixed  during the year  and no eligibility  scruteneeirng  , they modify their bikes  to become more modern and easier on them  .  Knowing   that the titles are more strict  , they then choose not to enter  and prefer  to compete in their club champion ships  .  That's one big  portion  of them .  Others  just  choose not to travel  knowing they can't win , others  have no money left  after doing all their club rounds .  Others  have no passenger . Others  have a broken bike .  To answer your post Brad , yes you can gain a few by letting  all in , but in the long  run you will lose more than you gain .  I  am at the point where I rather walk away  , instead of trying to be the stalwart  for the old eras .  In pre 75 , I believe , I am the only one left that actually has raced one in its day . In pre 85  there is  about  3  that actually where around at the time .  The rest  just bought bikes  that where for sale .  Some of the people that didnt race in the days ( like odd )  have no idea of how it was and what was legal .  They just want to burn fuel on the bike they bought  and bastardise history  perhaps  unintentionally.  The answer is , if the enthusiastic newcomers  would be more era conscientious  and their energy could be steered in the right way it would solve  90% of the trouble , a win for everyone .
After reading only two lines its apparent you are talking eligibility. I'm not.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: odd1 on December 30, 2012, 07:53:39 PM
You need 4 things to go sidecar racing A reliable bike, a good driver a good passenger and a good attitude
Having ridden at the sidecar spectacular last year and championships this year the sport is full of young and old sidecar teams  that are willing to travel and do, but the younger teams are not interested in riding the older 4 strokes they cannot relate to them and they cannot afford a reliable one. Its a great sport but it not for every one. The 2 strokes are more reliable end of story which means they are cheaper to run and certainly don't cost 3k to rebuild. Lakes is a fantastic track for solos and sidecars but it will be pretty ordinary if only 3 turn. If you want to preserve history there is a great museum up here in Nabiac and i 'm sure they would love to have 3 shining examples of what a pre 75,85 and 90 bike should be. The nationals are only 5 months away could you please shut up and if you have to say something be positive.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: mustanggrahame on December 30, 2012, 08:07:43 PM
Could there be a separate thread for the sidecar component of the post classic nationals? Then if someone doesn't want to read about them they don't have to.
Cheers, Grahame
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: 09.0 on December 30, 2012, 08:40:21 PM
Could there be a separate thread for the sidecar component of the post classic nationals? Then if someone doesn't want to read about them they don't have to.
Cheers, Grahame
exactly.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on December 30, 2012, 11:18:00 PM
Just checked the 2013 MOMS again just in case they changed something in the last few days. For the 10th time. The MOMS only list a Pre85 sidecar class upto 1300cc. If we are swamped with Pre90 sidecar entries maybe a support class ;).

I feel that would seem to settle the debate on Pre85/Pre90 sidecars. Can we get something else discussed.

How many entries are likely for each EVO age groups?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on December 31, 2012, 07:26:52 AM
What are the Evo Age Groups?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: 09.0 on December 31, 2012, 07:27:24 AM
I'm keen that I can finally run the latter classes at the titles. I have an evo125, 250 and open, pre85 open, pre 90 125 and open. I have to now decide what to race. Reality is I will probably enter all and see how it pans out as usual   ::)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: maico police on December 31, 2012, 08:18:00 AM
I'd be in for my EVO age group (47), EVO 250 and Pre 85 125 at this stage.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: oldfart on December 31, 2012, 08:36:57 AM
Evo age groups  18.2.2.1  125 - 250 - 263 cc plus
f )    under 30
g )   30-39
h )   40-49
i  )   50-59
j  )   60 plus

 
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: gwc162 on December 31, 2012, 08:43:18 AM
I will run in Pre 85 250 & all in and if I can have the use of an EVO I will do the 60+
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on December 31, 2012, 09:47:51 AM
Evo 125
f )    under 30
g )   30-39
h )   40-49
i  )   50-59
j  )   60 plus

Evo 250
f )    under 30
g )   30-39
h )   40-49
i  )   50-59
KJ222
j  )   60 plus

Evo Open
f )    under 30
g )   30-39
h )   40-49
i  )   50-59
j  )   60 plus
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: maico police on December 31, 2012, 09:59:31 AM
Evo 125
f )    under 30
g )   30-39
h )   40-49
i  )   50-59
j  )   60 plus

Evo 250
f )    under 30
g )   30-39
h )   40-49
i  )   50-59
KJ222
j  )   60 plus

Evo Open
f )    under 30
g )   30-39
h )   40-49
i  )   50-59
j  )   60 plus


I doubt there is is seperate capacities for the age races. We'd need a week of racing....
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on December 31, 2012, 10:06:53 AM
I'm keen that I can finally run the latter classes at the titles. I have an evo125, 250 and open, pre85 open, pre 90 125 and open. I have to now decide what to race. Reality is I will probably enter all and see how it pans out as usual   ::)
Brad that really makes scheduling hard :o You also will have to be the fittest person on the planet ;D we are aiming for 15min+1 for all classes although some will be 2 rounds (age races) others 3 rounds

Kenneth if entries support it there are individual classes for each capacity in each age group. The races can be combined eg.<30 & 31-39 125 could be together etc
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on December 31, 2012, 10:12:16 AM
Evo 125
f )    under 30
g )   30-39
h )   40-49
i  )   50-59
j  )   60 plus

Evo 250
f )    under 30
g )   30-39
h )   40-49
i  )   50-59
KJ222
j  )   60 plus

Evo Open
f )    under 30
g )   30-39
h )   40-49
i  )   50-59
j  )   60 plus

You seem to have added a race just for yourself in EVO 250 age races ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on December 31, 2012, 10:13:42 AM
I will run in Pre 85 250 & all in and if I can have the use of an EVO I will do the 60+

No 'all in' in the Nationals I'm afraid
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on December 31, 2012, 11:10:06 AM
Evo 125
f )    under 30
g )   30-39
h )   40-49
i  )   50-59
j  )   60 plus

Evo 250
f )    under 30
g )   30-39
h )   40-49
i  )   50-59
KJ222 - CR250 RZ
Monty Nut - Montessa 250
j  )   60 plus

Evo Open
f )    under 30
g )   30-39
h )   40-49
i  )   50-59
j  )   60 plus

You seem to have added a race just for yourself in EVO 250 age races ;D

That's about the only chance I have of placing in the top 3! ;D

Making Room for other names for you to give you an idea of numbers, I've added you in to see what I mean....you are under 59 aren't you Monty?? ;D

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Lakes MBC on December 31, 2012, 11:10:28 AM
to run over 2 days with 15 mins practice for each group, then 3 15 plus 1 lap races finishes us at around 3:40 pm each day.
presentation after this on the Sunday (once all score have been tallied & checked)
assumption -
all classes as per MOMs except
age classes run within evo groups (not additional races)
lap times around 2 mins 10 seconds
7 laps equals 15 mins 10 seconds
additional lap 8 equals 17 mins 20 seconds
20 mins to next start
no delays
practice & round 1 Saturday
rounds 2 & 3 Sunday
requiring clarification -
is 8 laps too much for these bikes / riders ? Heaven run 4 lap races (Lakes moderns 5 laps)
are we going to see the numbers to justify a 3rd day of racing
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: head on December 31, 2012, 11:20:03 AM
Evo over50 250 at this stage.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: EML on December 31, 2012, 11:21:17 AM
I like your calculations and hope all goes to plan. It's the slow riders at the back end of each race that need a hurry up-not riding to finish standing on the pegs in 2nd gear! (maybe a sweep rider to chase them up?)
20 mins before start of next race could be tightened up-remember that not all will be backing up for race after race-we leave that to Brad :D
At the Dirt Track car club I belonged to, we found that by putting a lot of prep in getting drivers for the next races all ready to go early tightened our schedule right up and we got through much quicker. (so a holding bay for the later races is a good idea)

As far as race length goes-they are national champs so make them work for it, both riders and bikes AND passengers.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: JohnnyO on December 31, 2012, 11:24:00 AM
Maybe just make the races 7 laps, 17 or 18min races are a bit long IMO.
I don't think 3 days is a good idea, will mean people travelling will need too long off work.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Lakes MBC on December 31, 2012, 11:38:16 AM
in addition to previously mentioned & in response to comments posted
Lakes will have the next race on the line & the following race in the grid
your 2 minutes to be on the line starts from the last lap board (all mechanics etc to exit start)
if a rider crosses the finish just in front of the leader they are entitled to finish that lap
race will be started as last bike crosses finish line
no waiting for anyone
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: JohnnyO on December 31, 2012, 11:54:07 AM
in addition to previously mentioned & in response to comments posted
Lakes will have the next race on the line & the following race in the grid
your 2 minutes to be on the line starts from the last lap board (all mechanics etc to exit start)
if a rider crosses the finish just in front of the leader they are entitled to finish that lap
race will be started as last bike crosses finish line
no waiting for anyone
Some people will have back to back races, you may have to wait a couple of minutes in between.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: maico police on December 31, 2012, 12:00:39 PM

is 8 laps too much for these bikes / riders ?


Defiantly not. It's an Australian Title meeting. If they can't hang on for eight laps then It's time to get the golf clubs out (or think about what they really do want to win a little more carefully).
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: vandy010 on December 31, 2012, 12:07:39 PM
Some people will have back to back races, you may have to wait a couple of minutes in between.
The show must go on.
The officials on the day will have the final say.  :)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on December 31, 2012, 12:37:55 PM

is 8 laps too much for these bikes / riders ?


Defiantly not. It's an Australian Title meeting. If they can't hang on for eight laps then It's time to get the golf clubs out (or think about what they really do want to win a little more carefully).

Yes you definitely have defiantly strong case for longer races ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on December 31, 2012, 12:50:35 PM
What's the plan if a class is over subscribed?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: maico police on December 31, 2012, 01:00:17 PM

Yes you are definitely have defiantly strong case for longer races ;D ;D


I didn't think it looked right but I'm too ill to spell-check...... :(
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Lakes MBC on December 31, 2012, 01:02:39 PM
Some people will have back to back races, you may have to wait a couple of minutes in between.
the race secretary will attempt to have race order so this does not happen, if it does, yes we wait
What's the plan if a class is over subscribed?
the race secretary will come up with the best split for the over subscribed class only
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on December 31, 2012, 01:51:49 PM
I think the 20mins between races was from one start to the next - ie 17 min races then next race is away 3 mins later.

Best of luck - am interested in seeing numbers - especially as how you are aiming for races longer than both Heaven and Modern it seems
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on December 31, 2012, 02:21:27 PM
Heaven ran two races at its last meeting this year at Lakes with 15min +1 which I gues is where the timing is coming from. The 4 laps and 5 laps moderns are for club days.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: maico police on December 31, 2012, 02:26:27 PM


 - especially as how you are aiming for races longer than both Heaven and Modern it seems


Again, it's not a club meet (aka a Heaven meeting) it' s a meeting to decide Australian Post Classic Motocross Champions and I'm pretty sure modern National races are more than three, eight lap races. ::)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on December 31, 2012, 03:02:35 PM
I think the 20mins between races was from one start to the next - ie 17 min races then next race is away 3 mins later.

Best of luck - am interested in seeing numbers - especially as how you are aiming for races longer than both Heaven and Modern it seems


Hi Ross, yes I read it that way as well. We were pleasantly surprised at the last Heaven meet as to how popular the 15 minute plus 1 races were.  They were added to the program as a Feature Race for a bit of fun and a huge amount of bikes lined up and finished each race held at the end of each day and there were a lot of positive comments from the boys afterwards. The longer races at Mr VMX were well received as well. You are right, it will be interesting to see the numbers but if these two meets are any indication I think we will have a few classes over subscribed, especially the EVO 250 and the Pre 85 250.

BTW, for those with open class bikes, this is a horse power track where you will be able to open er up and use some of that power. In the 'All In' races the big bores were making us 250s eat their dust up the big hills.

The format seems spot on, to be raced on what is one of, if not the best, MOTOCROSS tracks & facilities in NSW and run by a switched on team.

It's going to be HUGE!!!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Ekka on January 01, 2013, 10:01:44 PM
shit no camping is this the same for your club days
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: lama on January 04, 2013, 06:12:49 PM
when are the regs out
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Hardo on January 04, 2013, 07:27:49 PM
Awesome! Home Track - and one of my favourites!!   

Long races too.... I know Ken will be pleased!   :P

;D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: EML on January 05, 2013, 11:48:11 AM
Beds at your house then Hardo??
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: 35elsinore on January 06, 2013, 09:34:00 PM
I realize its the nationals but as the event didnt get off the ground last year a bit of leaniancey for people running back to back races the likes of Brad to make it the biggest grids as possible would be benificial. Theres no way the program can suit everyone for no back to back races. Im not trying to be negative but would love to see the effort you guys and girls put in get the best grid numbers and solid foundations for its future.
Cheers Troy
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Toolboy on January 07, 2013, 08:28:36 AM
Does the point scoring change in age bracket??

I am 48 and will be racing 40 yr olds, i have raced in some masters class events where you get additional point per age to help even the field.

Or is there scope to make changes if there is enough 45yr old plus riders

Evo age groups  18.2.2.1  125 - 250 - 263 cc plus
f )    under 30
g )   30-39
h )   40-49
i  )   50-59
j  )   60 plus

Im keen to ride

Tim
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Shaun G on January 07, 2013, 09:18:10 AM
They are the age groups as per the MOM's so can't be altered for a title event.

I'm 48 too and understand what your saying. But just think in a couple of years we will be kicking 59 year old butt  ;D ;D ;D

Cheers
Shaun
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Ted on January 07, 2013, 05:57:38 PM
Faaark no...Shaun near my butt :-\
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: 09.0 on January 07, 2013, 07:11:55 PM
I realize its the nationals but as the event didnt get off the ground last year a bit of leaniancey for people running back to back races the likes of Brad to make it the biggest grids as possible would be benificial. Theres no way the program can suit everyone for no back to back races. Im not trying to be negative but would love to see the effort you guys and girls put in get the best grid numbers and solid foundations for its future.
Cheers Troy
Every meeting I have gone to, the guys that make up the program seem to do their best not to put people in back to back races. Someone always has to draw the short straw.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Toolboy on January 07, 2013, 07:14:37 PM
Oooh well...better bring on the longer races that will slow em down a bit... ;)

Tim
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: maico police on January 07, 2013, 08:44:16 PM
They are the age groups as per the MOM's so can't be altered for a title event.

I'm 48 too and understand what your saying. But just think in a couple of years we will be kicking 59 year old butt  ;D ;D ;D

Cheers
Shaun

Swings and roundabouts. Swings and roundabouts. I'm in the same boat. It always makes you happy when you kick a young guys (40) butt.... ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: EML on January 08, 2013, 05:19:11 PM
Brads good for about 4 or 5 back to back then he slows a bit for the 6th, not sure why that is. ??? ???
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Noel on January 09, 2013, 08:41:48 PM
A few laps of Lakes on a modern
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLQYxDMyZ6A
the first 3 mins of this also shows some of the lay out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWprzTLB60M&feature=endscreen&NR=1

enjoy
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 09, 2013, 08:52:51 PM
Latest News from the organisers. I spoke to the Club officials tonight and a few things to keep in mind

1) The Lakes Club are super keen to have the sidecars (Pre85 only please don't want WW4 to start) this means getting track licenced for that event. Preliminary checks indicate that there is no problems and number would be 16 but possibly 20. The track is currently licenced for 16 quads. NSW has a much more complicated licencing system than other states. It involves MA, the Police and the NSW Department of Sport & Rec. Can the sidecar guys start to think seriously about numbers pplease

2) Scrutineering will start shortly after lunch on Friday. There will be scrutineering Staurday moring but it will be a very early start. So try to plan on arriving Friday PM so you have a much more relaxed weekend.

3) There is suggestion that age races will be ran as part of the EVO championship. This limits some peoples option. What is the feeling on seperating the age races from the EVO events so that more people can compete?

4) The club is thinking of a Post Classic practice day some time before the meeting. Any suggestions of date to fit in with other events? Is a practice day worthwhile?

5) Accomodation - search the Toronto Morrisett area
     http://www.visitlakemac.com.au/accommodation/bookings/results
    
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Lakes MBC on January 09, 2013, 08:57:11 PM
check out this footage from 1988
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0xgEXMJ5_Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0xgEXMJ5_Y)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on January 09, 2013, 09:02:17 PM
check out this footage from 1988
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0xgEXMJ5_Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0xgEXMJ5_Y)

The track has improved out of sight since then.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: maico police on January 09, 2013, 09:03:18 PM
Man that looks soooo grouse! Fitness will be the biggie...... ;)

I think practise there will be a little unfair on the interstate riders not being able to attend but I guess there is always a home track advantage.

I personally don't care if the age races are combined with running evo races but I'm sure there's plenty of people who'd like to have a race just against their peers. :-\

Just please don't lame the track down. Please.
It's perfect. ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Noel on January 09, 2013, 09:10:13 PM
I looked at that 1988 footage and as good as that is,  I thought that the track more resembles the later video's.
PS
Lakes is having its first Meeting for 2013 with the Summer cross on sunday 13th.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on January 09, 2013, 09:20:27 PM
must admit - the video looks good - enjoy!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on January 09, 2013, 09:28:35 PM
If I race the 2 classes I plan to, that is 6 x 17 min motos over the weekend. As much as I love the longer races, I can't imagine I want to do more than that to cover the age races as well. How have the numbers been when and if the races were run separately in the past?

The practice day would be great! Weekend of March 23-34 or April 23-24 are my suggestions.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Noel on January 09, 2013, 09:33:47 PM
Ken
The post classic Nationals and Evo age racing has no past

this will be a first
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: JohnnyO on January 09, 2013, 09:39:39 PM
If I race the 2 classes I plan to, that is 6 x 17 min motos over the weekend. As much as I love the longer races, I can't imagine I want to do more than that to cover the age races as well. How have the numbers been when and if the races were run separately in the past?

The practice day would be great! Weekend of March 23-34 or April 23-24 are my suggestions.
This is the first year for Evo age groups. In the past some pre 75 age groups have had small numbers, maybe it would be better to run them all together and score the ages separately?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on January 09, 2013, 09:52:22 PM
to run over 2 days with 15 mins practice for each group, then 3 15 plus 1 lap races finishes us at around 3:40 pm each day.
presentation after this on the Sunday (once all score have been tallied & checked)
assumption -
all classes as per MOMs except
age classes run within evo groups (not additional races)
lap times around 2 mins 10 seconds
7 laps equals 15 mins 10 seconds
additional lap 8 equals 17 mins 20 seconds
20 mins to next start
no delays
practice & round 1 Saturday
rounds 2 & 3 Sunday
requiring clarification -
is 8 laps too much for these bikes / riders ? Heaven run 4 lap races (Lakes moderns 5 laps)
are we going to see the numbers to justify a 3rd day of racing

This seems a pretty full schedule to me without much of a buffer for delays. Full grids and a manageable schedule seem to be a better way to go than to try to squeeze them in as separate races. If anything was to be added, I think longer than 15 minutes for practice to allow the Interstate competitors to get to know the track.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 09, 2013, 10:09:16 PM
check out this footage from 1988
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0xgEXMJ5_Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0xgEXMJ5_Y)

The track has improved out of sight since then.

Yes Ken the track has improved but I think the point was that these are the same bikes that will be in Pre90 and gives an idea of there relative performance. Looks like they are pretty much on the gas ;) 8)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: head on January 09, 2013, 10:27:10 PM
I have a EVO 250 and am over 50 and want to race 50 to 59 bracket as per MOM's please don't stuff around with it to much.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: JohnnyO on January 09, 2013, 10:49:35 PM
I have a EVO 250 and am over 50 and want to race 50 to 59 bracket as per MOM's please don't stuff around with it to much.
Is there something wrong with running the Evo 250 race and scoring 50-59 separately within the race otherwise you could have races with only 3 or 4 starters.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 09, 2013, 10:57:08 PM
I have a EVO 250 and am over 50 and want to race 50 to 59 bracket as per MOM's please don't stuff around with it to much.
Is there something wrong with running the Evo 250 race and scoring 50-59 separately within the race otherwise you could have races with only 3 or 4 starters.

The Lakes club is proposing to do exactly as you say run EVO250 and then score the age races within that race.

I am trying to find out if that is the preferred solution? It sounds like you two guys would like it that way.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 09, 2013, 10:59:04 PM
I have a EVO 250 and am over 50 and want to race 50 to 59 bracket as per MOM's please don't stuff around with it to much.

Bugga that means your in my age group ::) ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: JohnnyO on January 09, 2013, 11:02:58 PM
Sounds fair, I'm assuming you would get scored outright and age group also. Say if you were 52 and got 2nd in the Evo 250 and were beaten by a 35yo you'd get 2nd outright trophy and 1st 50-59?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: JohnnyO on January 09, 2013, 11:04:54 PM
I have a EVO 250 and am over 50 and want to race 50 to 59 bracket as per MOM's please don't stuff around with it to much.

Bugga that means your in my age group ::) ;D
And mine :)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 09, 2013, 11:31:11 PM
Sounds fair, I'm assuming you would get scored outright and age group also. Say if you were 52 and got 2nd in the Evo 250 and were beaten by a 35yo you'd get 2nd outright trophy and 1st 50-59?

Say if I got 2nd in EVO250 I wouldn't fa......kin give a shit where I was in age group ;D ::) ::) ;D ;D but then that is verrrrrry unlikely to be a problem that I will need to deal with ::) ;D

Yes as you describe is how it would work.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on January 10, 2013, 07:02:05 AM
I have a EVO 250 and am over 50 and want to race 50 to 59 bracket as per MOM's please don't stuff around with it to much.

Bugga that means your in my age group ::) ;D
And mine :)

                                                                                                                                                           
222 ;D         37 8), 29 8), 61 8) Pack :P :P :P :P....
And mine ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Noel on January 10, 2013, 09:00:50 AM
seems like they might need an event for those that are not 50 -59 and don't ride Evo 250 ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Lakes MBC on January 10, 2013, 12:04:15 PM
http://www.lakesmotorcycleclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/aerial-shot-26-9-10.jpeg
aerial veiw from the 2010 jnr Aussies
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: 09.0 on January 10, 2013, 02:05:18 PM
How simple can it be. Same as the vintage mrmx. All in race, age groups scored separately and then an overall.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: EML on January 10, 2013, 02:47:27 PM
Good idea Brad, so what's quicker to the 1st turn, a CZ or a 880 Wasp. :D :D :D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: xl59 on January 10, 2013, 03:00:33 PM
Hi you guys and girls at lakes,spoke to whisper he tells me for a beer and a slice of ya good pizza he will come lend us a hand,ha ha Cheers GREG
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: 09.0 on January 10, 2013, 03:39:39 PM
Good idea Brad, so what's quicker to the 1st turn, a CZ or a 880 Wasp. :D :D :D
Not an all in race bugger you.
Evo open, all ages for eg. Scored as an overall as well as age groups.
To answer your question the cz of course. You wouldn't have gotten the wasp to start! :D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: SLAWESY on January 10, 2013, 04:59:55 PM
Quote
Quote from: JohnnyO on Yesterday at 11:04:54 PM
Quote from: Montynut on Yesterday at 10:59:04 PM
Quote from: head on Yesterday at 10:27:10 PM
I have a EVO 250 and am over 50 and want to race 50 to 59 bracket as per MOM's please don't stuff around with it to much.

Bugga that means your in my age group 
And mine

                                                                                   

and mine  :D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 10, 2013, 05:28:58 PM
How simple can it be. Same as the vintage mrmx. All in race, age groups scored separately and then an overall.

Yes Brad that is the Club's plan, it does mean that say two mates say one 39yo & the other 40yo can not ride the one bike in their seperate age races. Just asking the question that is all.

Really want the Titles to go off as well as possible so floating some of these things will bring out any unforseen problems hopefully ;) At the same time it causes no problems to air them this far out from the meeting.

It looks like most people are happy to run with the EVO / age races in each capacity to be combined which is all good.  8)

*****

Oh I may have misread your post are you suggesting four classes EVO 125, EVO 250, EVO >263 and one age race combining all capacities and ages just scored seperately. I think the combined capacity & age race would be far too big for the grid size.

What is being suggested is for example in EVO 125 this would be scored as that class plus seperate scores for EVO 125 in each age division. Am I reading it correctly or confusing myself ::)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Noel on January 10, 2013, 06:44:45 PM
since Ted,s not here I'll say it.
It is a complex issue ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 10, 2013, 07:43:48 PM
Ted is busy painting a tank which was already perfect :P ::)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Ted on January 10, 2013, 08:01:23 PM
That's it. A suplex for the both of you

Hey Noel, Have you seen Scrivo's draft plan proposal for the COMPLEX. Condominiums everywhere. I reckon he draws inspiration from his HEAVEN funded trips to the Florida Quays
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Shaun G on January 11, 2013, 08:35:44 AM

Hey Noel, Have you seen Scrivo's draft plan proposal for the COMPLEX. Condominiums everywhere.
 

Hey Ted you spelt condom wrong  :)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 11, 2013, 08:53:34 AM

Hey Noel, Have you seen Scrivo's draft plan proposal for the COMPLEX. Condominiums everywhere.
 

Hey Ted you spelt condom wrong  :)

No NO No Ted just left a space out. Ted takes a size Condom minimum  ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Shaun G on January 11, 2013, 09:46:27 AM
Ah yes It makes sense now. ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Damo on January 11, 2013, 01:51:22 PM
Guys,

What's wrong with 10 min plus 1 lap races worked fine for Thumper Nats and also leaves breathing space for accident stoppages and race restarts etc.
I would rather complete 3 x 10 min races than have my last race cut short due to lack of race time etc.

Damo.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: marshallmech on January 11, 2013, 10:23:40 PM
Agreed Damo 10 min +1 lap also no camping is gunna be a prob for alot of ppl IMO
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: EML on January 12, 2013, 10:14:47 AM
Why not 2 10min heats and a 15min final if time allows( no ambos etc...), if not back to 10min final. Just don't make it a 2 lap dash to settle a national again FFS.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: holeshot buddy on January 15, 2013, 11:40:25 PM
so there is no camping at the track WTF
so once all the bikes are scrutineered are they in a impounded pit area
so how are they going to work this i am sure everyone does not want
to go and stay somewhere and leave ther bikes behind
where is the nearest accomodation camping etc a lot of people are travelling a long way
to get there ??? ???
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Lakes MBC on January 16, 2013, 05:34:19 AM
Quote
so there is no camping at the track WTF
so once all the bikes are scrutineered are they in a impounded pit area
so how are they going to work this i am sure everyone does not want
to go and stay somewhere and leave ther bikes behind
where is the nearest accomodation camping etc a lot of people are travelling a long way
to get there 
G`day Holeshot,
camping restricted due to Transgrid easement (under powerlines)
bikes will not be impounded after scrutineering
670 riders plus family for a week of racing at the 2010 Junior Aussies with no camping & no one complained of not being able to find somewhere close to stay
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=lake+macquarie+tourist+centre&rlz=1C1CHKC_enAU413AU415&aq=2&oq=lake+macquarie+tourism&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&tbo=d&rlz=1C1CHKC_enAU413AU415&sclient=psy-ab&q=newcastle+%26+lake+macquarie+tourism&oq=newcastle+%26+lake+macquarie+tourism&gs_l=serp.12...26769.33159.1.35433.12.12.0.0.0.1.678.2968.0j4j5j0j1j1.11.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.Ym9xYC808Yo&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41018144,d.aGc&fp=b626e77c3d9f15de&biw=1680&bih=935 (https://www.google.com.au/search?q=lake+macquarie+tourist+centre&rlz=1C1CHKC_enAU413AU415&aq=2&oq=lake+macquarie+tourism&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&tbo=d&rlz=1C1CHKC_enAU413AU415&sclient=psy-ab&q=newcastle+%26+lake+macquarie+tourism&oq=newcastle+%26+lake+macquarie+tourism&gs_l=serp.12...26769.33159.1.35433.12.12.0.0.0.1.678.2968.0j4j5j0j1j1.11.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.Ym9xYC808Yo&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41018144,d.aGc&fp=b626e77c3d9f15de&biw=1680&bih=935)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 16, 2013, 07:11:48 AM
Guys,

What's wrong with 10 min plus 1 lap races worked fine for Thumper Nats and also leaves breathing space for accident stoppages and race restarts etc.
I would rather complete 3 x 10 min races than have my last race cut short due to lack of race time etc.

Damo.
Combining the age races into the EVO races makes 3 x 15min + 1 timing very do-able with time for accident delays (assuming we don't have a half day stappage for some unforseen reason). so 3 x 15min+1  or 3 x 10min+1 are both OK. The general feeling appeared to be for these later ERAs that longer races 15min+1 was most appropiate
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: maico police on January 16, 2013, 08:08:41 AM
I'm happy to leave bikes there if there's some sort of security. Have already booked in some great accommodation nearby. :)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Noel on January 16, 2013, 04:58:44 PM
closest camp ground I could find is this one
western side of freeway

http://www.aussieweb.com.au/directory/caravan+camping+grounds/nsw/freemans+waterhole/2323/
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: mick25 on January 16, 2013, 05:20:23 PM
closest camp ground I could find is this one
western side of freeway

http://www.aussieweb.com.au/directory/caravan+camping+grounds/nsw/freemans+waterhole/2323/
That camping ground is a bit of a trailer park to say  :-X Theres a few that live there and a bit on the feral side ;D
I live 30mins from it and travel past it a fair bit ;D I dont thing I would leave a bike on a trailer there during the night. :-\
The track is only 15mins from lake macquarie toronto etc for accommodation if needed.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Noel on January 16, 2013, 05:38:27 PM
good info thanks Mick
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 16, 2013, 06:31:37 PM
closest camp ground I could find is this one
western side of freeway

http://www.aussieweb.com.au/directory/caravan+camping+grounds/nsw/freemans+waterhole/2323/
That camping ground is a bit of a trailer park to say  :-X Theres a few that live there and a bit on the feral side ;D
I live 30mins from it and travel past it a fair bit ;D I dont thing I would leave a bike on a trailer there during the night. :-\
The track is only 15mins from lake macquarie toronto etc for accommodation if needed.
Agree with Mick except remove the words "a bit"  ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: xl59 on January 16, 2013, 09:31:04 PM
teralba has a nice caravan park
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: holeshot buddy on January 16, 2013, 10:31:27 PM
thanks for all the info
keep it coming ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on January 17, 2013, 06:56:36 AM
A different take on the length of the races. I put this here not to have a go at anyone, just to keep balance to the discussion.

I know we are 'not as young as we used to be', and the main reason we race is to 'have fun' and we are 'not racing for sheep stations' but this is a National Motocross Title and if there was ever an event that should try to remain an authentic Motocross event then I would have thought this would be it.

Yes I am 'not as young as I used to be' and I am in the sport to 'have fun' but I am in this sport to race Motocross and race hard, albeit with a larger margin of safety than when I was younger. I know I am not alone, the guys I race with are serious racers as well, the racing is clean but they are out there to beat me just as much as I am out there to beat them. I know they are by how aggressively they block pass me, or lean on me as we jostle for position through the first few corners of a race.

While we are not racing for sheep stations, the question is, how authentic do we want our National titles to be? To keep a Motocross race authentic, the result, especially the National Title, should not be so influenced by how good a riders start was, or how souped up his bike was to get that start. Short races bias the result too much towards the guys who got the best start and can hang on for a few laps, not the guys who are necessarily the best Motocross racers. Sure, starts are an important skill in Motocross but I have seen National Titles won by guys who got mid pack starts and fought their way to the front of the pack, I am sure you all have as well. I have also seen guys holeshot a race and then fade back through the field because they haven't prepared them self physically for the challenge. In a recent Heaven event the Heaven GP, a 15 minute plus 1 lap, our fastest guy got the holeshot then bobbled over in a slow corner allowing most of the pack to pass him. About 10 minutes into the race, he roared by me and I think by the time the race ended he was in the top 5 and still won the overall. That is authentic Motocross.

I am not saying we should not make concessions for the fact we 'are not as young as we used to be' but for a National Title, lets not make too much of a concession and make the titles a farce. If the young guys are racing 30 or 40 minutes races plus 1 for title races, sure cut our races down...by half. I know I keep harping on about this but if I read posts asking for shorter races, I think it is important that the decision makers for our sport know that there are some of us who don't believe shorter races are not ideal for this event and why.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 17, 2013, 07:10:38 AM
Sure, starts are an important skill in Motocross but I have seen National Titles won by guys who got mid pack starts and fought their way to the front of the pack, I am sure you all have as well. I have also seen guys holeshot a race and then fade back through the field because they haven't prepared them self physically for the challenge. In a recent Heaven event the Heaven GP, a 15 minute plus 1 lap, our fastest guy got the holeshot then bobbled over in a slow corner allowing most of the pack to pass him. About 10 minutes into the race, he roared by me and I think by the time the race ended he was in the top 5 and still won the overall. That is authentic Motocross.

He roared by the whole field taking the lead at about the 13min mark twas great to watch as well ;) 8) - he was knackered at the end though 8)
Took the overall with two 1st place finishers  ;) :)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Toolboy on January 17, 2013, 08:51:05 AM
Totally agree with your comments KJ, bring on authentic motocross.

Tim
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: TM BILL on January 17, 2013, 09:26:21 AM
I also prefer longer races  :) but from a clubs perspective its a very difficult balancing act . From what i have read on here the host club is being very proactive and are doing all they can to accomodate all competitors wishies and make this a kick arse event .

With this being the first event since the split ( and for some their first vintage nats ) its important for everyone to get behind the club and support the event .

There are so many classes and until the club has recieved all entries they cant possibly know what classes they can combine and therefore how many individual races they will have to run per round .

Its an impossible task to please every bugger  ::) long races , short races , back to back races , sidecar support races , camping , and complying with local govnt and MA rules and regulations not to mention that speedway act .

The fact the club started this thread shows a willingness and a passion to do the best they can by everyone concerned  :) If everyone gets their entries in as soon as there available surley thats got help the club set their schedule .

Whatever the outcome of the race duration i am confident that the club will have looked at all its options and given everyone a fair go  :)

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: GMC on January 17, 2013, 09:40:32 AM
I know we are 'not as young as we used to be', and the main reason we race is to 'have fun' and we are 'not racing for sheep stations' but this is a National Motocross Title and if there was ever an event that should try to remain an authentic Motocross event then I would have thought this would be it.

Certainly some good points that should be debated but will this thread also disappear if someone says something that is not liked!!!

15+1 for the all in National title sounds good but I think the over 50 age classes could be cut back a bit, maybe 10 +1 or 12+1 (depending on how long a lap is)
This will also help the organisers get through the program on time.

Long races are great to watch when someone is moving through the pack but quite often they end up a procession once everyone has fallen into their groove.


I know it was also proposed to run the age classes within the normal classes but I feel this takes away from the actual age class championship.
# No one riding will be aware if they have to push to beat some one that may or may not be in their class.
# No one spectating will know who is winning the age classes.
# Someone will come away with a National title without anyone knowing (family, sponsers, fan club etc.) which will make it feel like some sort of consolation prize.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 17, 2013, 09:49:22 AM
Hope this link helps with accomodation
http://www.stayz.com.au/accommodation/nsw/hunter/toronto?view=map

The track is on Cessnock Rd about half way along its length. Approx 2Km from F3 Freeway
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 17, 2013, 09:52:50 AM
15+1 for the all in National title sounds good but I think the over 50 age classes could be cut back a bit, maybe 10 +1 or 12+1 (depending on how long a lap is)
This will also help the organisers get through the program on time.
Long races are great to watch when someone is moving through the pack but quite often they end up a procession once everyone has fallen into their groove.
I know it was also proposed to run the age classes within the normal classes but I feel this takes away from the actual age class championship.
# No one riding will be aware if they have to push to beat some one that may or may not be in their class.
# No one spectating will know who is winning the age classes.
# Someone will come away with a National title without anyone knowing (family, sponsers, fan club etc.) which will make it feel like some sort of consolation prize.

It appears that the age races have to be seperate from the outright EVO races and will have to be therefore shorter than the major classes (major as in open as apposed to more important OK). Everyone just be a little patient and all will come together over the next week or so. We have tried to get as much input as possible to go in a direction to try and make this as successful and enjoyable for everyone as possible.

We do need an indication of entry numbers from the sidecars
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Lakes MBC on January 17, 2013, 12:04:59 PM
For Discussion (classes only not race format)

2013 Post Classic MX Nationals               
   Friday 3/5/13            
   9:00 AM      Scrutineering      3:30
   12:30 PM      riders brief      0:15
   12:45 PM            
         Practice      
1   1:00 PM   Practice   all 125   20mins   0:22
2   1:22 PM   Practice   all 250   20mins   0:22
3   1:44 PM   Practice   all 263 & over   20mins   0:22
4   2:06 PM   Practice   Pre 1985 sidecar to 1300   20mins   0:22
5   2:28 PM   Practice   all 125   20mins   0:22
6   2:50 PM   Practice   all 250   20mins   0:22
7   3:12 PM   Practice   all 263 & over   20mins   0:22
8   3:34 PM   Practice   Pre 1985 sidecar to 1300   20mins   0:22
   3:56 PM            
   Saturday 4/5/13            
   6:30 AM      Scrutineering      1:00
   7:30 AM      riders brief & welcome      0:45
   8:15 AM            
         Racing      
1   8:30 AM   Round 1   Evolution solo 125 outright   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
2   8:50 AM   Round 1   Evolution solo 250 outright   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
3   9:10 AM   Round 1   Evolution solo 263 & over outright   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
4   9:30 AM   Round 1   Evolution  125 age racing combined   5 laps   0:13
5   9:43 AM   Round 1   Evolution  250 age racing combined   5 laps   0:13
6   9:56 AM   Round 1   Evolution  263 & over age racing combined   5 laps   0:13
7   10:09 AM   Round 1   Pre 1985 solo 125   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
8   10:29 AM   Round 1   Pre 1985 solo 250   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
9   10:49 AM   Round 1   Pre 1985 solo 263 & over   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
10   11:09 AM   Round 1   Pre 1990 solo 125   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
11   11:29 AM   Round 1   Pre 1990 solo 250   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
12   11:49 AM   Round 1   Pre 1990 solo 263 & over   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
13   12:09 PM   Round 1   Pre 1985 sidecar to 1300   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
14   12:29 PM   Round 2   Evolution solo 125 outright   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
15   12:49 PM   Round 2   Evolution solo 250 outright   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
16   1:09 PM   Round 2   Evolution solo 263 & over outright   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
17   1:29 PM   Round 2   Evolution  125 age racing   5 laps   0:13
18   1:42 PM   Round 2   Evolution  250 age racing   5 laps   0:13
19   1:55 PM   Round 2   Evolution  263 & over age racing   5 laps   0:13
20   2:08 PM   Round 2   Pre 1985 solo 125   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
21   2:28 PM   Round 2   Pre 1985 solo 250   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
22   2:48 PM   Round 2   Pre 1985 solo 263 & over   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
23   3:08 PM   Round 2   Pre 1990 solo 125   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
24   3:28 PM   Round 2   Pre 1990 solo 250   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
25   3:48 PM   Round 2   Pre 1990 solo 263 & over   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
26   4:08 PM   Round 2   Pre 1985 sidecar to 1300   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
   4:28 PM      finish      
   Sunday 5/5/13            
   8:30 AM      riders brief      0:15
   8:45 AM            
27   9:00 AM   Round 3   Evolution solo 125 outright   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
28   9:20 AM   Round 3   Evolution solo 250 outright   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
29   9:40 AM   Round 3   Evolution solo 263 & over outright   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
30   10:00 AM   Round 3   Evolution  125 age racing   5 laps   0:13
31   10:13 AM   Round 3   Evolution  250 age racing   5 laps   0:13
32   10:26 AM   Round 3   Evolution  263 & over age racing   5 laps   0:13
33   10:39 AM   Round 3   Pre 1985 solo 125   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
34   10:59 AM   Round 3   Pre 1985 solo 250   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
35   11:19 AM   Round 3   Pre 1985 solo 263 & over   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
36   11:39 AM   Round 3   Pre 1990 solo 125   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
37   11:59 AM   Round 3   Pre 1990 solo 250   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
38   12:19 PM   Round 3   Pre 1990 solo 263 & over   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
39   12:39 PM   Round 3   Pre 1985 sidecar to 1300   15mins + 1 lap   0:20
   12:59 PM            
   2:00 PM      Presentation      
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: FireKwaka on January 17, 2013, 01:05:35 PM
A pre 85 or pre 90 rider with one bike would get 3 races + practice over 3 days, EVO would get 6 + practice. Some classes may end up combined to give more time or I would prefer shorter races and add an all powers to pre 85 & 90. Just a preference I will race regardless.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 17, 2013, 01:18:59 PM
Yes I think it is reasonably obvious now (hind sight is a wonderful thing) the age races could have been Pre85 or even Pre90 so that more people (EVO, Pre85 and Pre90) could ride in them but for 2013 it is what it is.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: maico police on January 17, 2013, 02:08:14 PM
I like the idea of scutineering and practice on the Friday. Five laps is probably ok for the age group races (the poor ol' buggers  :D) I still want the mains to be 15min+ a lap though.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: vandy010 on January 17, 2013, 02:43:14 PM
that program looks pretty good to me as a base to start from (and use as is).
i like how the races flow through the era's and capacities.
i reckon that sort of thing is easy for both spectator and competitor to follow.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: JohnnyO on January 17, 2013, 03:31:35 PM
that program looks pretty good to me as a base to start from (and use as is).
i like how the races flow through the era's and capacities.
i reckon that sort of thing is easy for both spectator and competitor to follow.
Vandy he said at the top of the post  this is not the race order..
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on January 17, 2013, 10:16:13 PM
Classes look great. Friday scrutineering and practice, spot on.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: JohnnyO on January 17, 2013, 10:19:46 PM
I was going to enter all 3 Evo classes but now i'll get 18 races! Might have to leave a bike at home..
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Ando on January 18, 2013, 12:45:13 AM
Has anybody asked Mr Burt if he will be in Australia come May??

I hear he may be out of the country with Heavens no 1.



Yes Bob, you are correct there! Deano & Seano will be riding the fast tracks in the US! Giving one an even break  ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: fatboyracing on January 18, 2013, 06:02:15 AM
Hi Guys,
I think the format for the racing looks good ,But in very vast experience it is very dangerous to not leave at least 2mins between races as you have not allowed for any incidents in the race or at the start let alone that the first rider finishes at 20mins but the last rider will probably finish at 25 mins and you will eventually get further and further behind and have to cut races and times, Sorry to put a downer on every thing but I personally would allow at least 2 minutes and maybe even 5 minutes between races to be on the safe side and be able to finish the day with all races keeping there time schedules .It only takes one ambo and your timetable is shot to bits trust me I no

If the race sec or club would like a hand in any way please dont hesitate to give me a call

Cheers
Fatboy
0438568092
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: rtb on January 18, 2013, 07:10:41 AM
Hey Monty, what is an average lap time for a VMX bike at the Lakes on the long track?

Thanks
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 18, 2013, 07:44:15 AM
Bob the fast guys are around the 2min mark (just over) the figure used in the current thinking is an average of 2:10sec


There has been further discussion on race make up and two formats for age races has emerged

1) All EVO age groups for a capacity run together eg <30,30-39, 40-49, 50-59 & 60+ for EVO125 run in one race. This has the advantage of all riders on similar bikes and therefore no one gets roosted and the racing is close and relatively equal.

2)We mix the capacities. This has the advantage of allowing riders within a race to see who they are racing against and also allows the one bike to be used in multiple age races.
          Age race 1 – 125cc (<30, 30-39), 250cc (40-49), >263cc (50-59, 60+)
          Age race 2 - 250cc (<30, 30-39), >263cc (40-49), 125cc (50-59, 60+)
          Age race 3 - 500cc (<30, 30-39), 125cc (40-49), 250cc (50-59, 60+)

Comments please
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 18, 2013, 09:13:49 AM
MOMS 18.2.2.1 Classes –
Post Classic MX & Dirt Track
Pre85 125
Pre85 250
Pre85 263 & over
Pre90 125
Pre90 250
Pre90 263 & over
EVO solo 125
EVO solo 250
EVO solo 263 & over
Pre85 sidecar up to 1300cc
Pre90 slider 250
Pre90 slider 263 & over
EVO age group racing 125 – 250 – 263cc plus
   f) <30yrs
   g) 30-39yrs
   h) 40-49yrs
   i) 50-59yrs
   j) 60+ yrs

Please correct me, my understanding is that in the Classic Titles there is a Pre75 outright title as well as Pre75 age groups. You can run a Pre75, Pre70, Pre65 or Pre60 machines in the age races.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: head on January 18, 2013, 09:19:11 AM
Sorry my Mistake, read it ages ago, Memory not as good as it used to be.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: VMX247 on January 18, 2013, 10:56:25 AM
Please correct me, my understanding is that in the Classic Titles there is a Pre75 outright title as well as Pre75 age groups. You can run a Pre75, Pre70, Pre65 or Pre60 machines in the age races.

correct
cheers Steven
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on January 18, 2013, 09:16:55 PM
Bob the fast guys are around the 2min mark (just over) the figure used in the current thinking is an average of 2:10sec


There has been further discussion on race make up and two formats for age races has emerged

1) All EVO age groups for a capacity run together eg <30,30-39, 40-49, 50-59 & 60+ for EVO125 run in one race. This has the advantage of all riders on similar bikes and therefore no one gets roosted and the racing is close and relatively equal.

2)We mix the capacities. This has the advantage of allowing riders within a race to see who they are racing against and also allows the one bike to be used in multiple age races.
          Age race 1 – 125cc (<30, 30-39), 250cc (40-49), >263cc (50-59, 60+)
          Age race 2 - 250cc (<30, 30-39), >263cc (40-49), 125cc (50-59, 60+)
          Age race 3 - 500cc (<30, 30-39), 125cc (40-49), 250cc (50-59, 60+)

Comments please


Format 2 for me. I like knowing the other guys on 250s in my race are in my age group and I think it would add variety to the event for spectators.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Hardo on January 18, 2013, 09:32:15 PM
LOL Ken... who has time to side glance at stickers and badges on other bikes!!???   :o :o

I am too busy trying to read the track !!   ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Hardo on January 18, 2013, 09:38:33 PM
...oh sorry Scrivo - I think I would prefer the first option. "Capacity" races, rather than the mix.
Especially at the Lakes track... Those uphills could be interesting with a mix of 125, 250 and open bikes.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Ted on January 18, 2013, 09:40:54 PM
That swingarm work out
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on January 18, 2013, 09:46:43 PM
LOL Ken... who has time to side glance at stickers and badges on other bikes!!???   :o :o

I am too busy trying to read the track !!   ;D

 ;D I got nothing. I can't think of one clever thing to say
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: head on January 18, 2013, 10:00:02 PM
...oh sorry Scrivo - I think I would prefer the first option. "Capacity" races, rather than the mix.
Especially at the Lakes track... Those uphills could be interesting with a mix of 125, 250 and open bikes.
I am thinking the same as Hardo, first option.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 19, 2013, 12:07:46 AM
Thats 2:1 for capacity based age races. We need a bit more of a cross section of feedback than the red, white and green from Heaven's trio ;D. Hang on Hardo have you suddenly got an EVO bike :D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Hardo on January 19, 2013, 01:07:48 AM
oh...  :-[
I am confused it seems... only EVO are having age class racing....  :-\

Soz... didnt really absorb that too well....

..well if I were to enter the EVO class, my vote would be for the 1st option.......    :-*
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: gdr on January 19, 2013, 06:38:06 AM
Would be hard for the evo boys .
Race 1 125
Race 2 250
15 min Break
Race 4 125 Age
Race 5 250 Age
Then if you ride up a class to Pre 85 1 race break and it all starts over again .
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: maico police on January 19, 2013, 07:22:11 AM
Would be hard for the evo boys .
Race 1 125
Race 2 250
15 min Break
Race 4 125 Age
Race 5 250 Age
Then if you ride up a class to Pre 85 1 race break and it all starts over again .

It's just one of those things Grant. People will have to pick the classes they want to win.


Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: odd1 on January 19, 2013, 07:25:14 AM
I would like to know what the  actual race format is going to be on the day as that will determine which evo classes and possibly sidecar I will ride there is no way that I would be able to ride  15 min moto,s back to back.  And I would assume we have to pay to ride each class?  Don.t want to turn up on race day and then start dropping classes because I don't want to ride back to back. that's a waste of money in time and effort prepping bikes.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Lakes MBC on January 19, 2013, 07:37:21 AM
Regs will be submitted to MA early next week & hopefully out a couple of weeks after that.
as per our meeting with Greg on Thursday night, we cannot come up with a format or what classes will be excluded or combined until we have your entries.
wasting everyones time & setting false expectations otherwise
entries will close 3 weeks out from the event so we can get a format laid out & will certainly post to let everyone know
also please read our previous comment (classes only not the race order)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 19, 2013, 12:46:45 PM
oh...  :-[
I am confused it seems... only EVO are having age class racing....  :-\

Soz... didnt really absorb that too well....

..well if I were to enter the EVO class, my vote would be for the 1st option.......    :-*


Read the MOMS I even posted it earlier Hardo. You really need to change those 'green tinted' glasses :P :P :P ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 19, 2013, 12:53:05 PM
Look guys the race order and program is a long way from being set the only thing available on the entry form is the classes offered which will be as per the MOMS. The ‘program’ posted a page or so back was clearly marked as just for discussion as an indication of classes and the resulting time constraints required. NOTHING  MORE. It was not in any way suggested that will be what what will happen at the meeting.

The race order, timing and so forth can only be set once the entries close and we know who has entered what. Every effort will be made to accommodate people to avoid back to back races but if you have more than two bikes then it is very highly likely you will. This would be the case in just about any race meeting I would think. This is not something new it is the same case for every single race meeting.

Let’s be realistic if you enter all three EVO classes and all three age races you are eligible for then you will have back to back races more than once over the weekend and a massive riding workload. If you enter three bikes whatever class your riding workload is going to be high that is obvious. It is your choice to do so, please don’t expect that if you enter three bikes that the race order will be tailored to your requirements that is just not possible or fair to others.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: head on January 19, 2013, 12:56:16 PM
Look guys the race order and program is a long way from being set the only thing available on the entry form is the classes offered which will be as per the MOMS. The ‘program’ posted a page or so back was clearly marked as just for discussion as an indication of classes and the resulting time constraints required. NOTHING  MORE. It was not in any way suggested that will be what what will happen at the meeting.

The race order, timing and so forth can only be set once the entries close and we know who has entered what. Every effort will be made to accommodate people to avoid back to back races but if you have more than two bikes then it is very highly likely you will. This would be the case in just about any race meeting I would think. This is not something new it is the same case for every single race meeting.

Let’s be realistic if you enter all three EVO classes and all three age races you are eligible for then you will have back to back races more than once over the weekend and a massive riding workload. If you enter three bikes whatever class your riding workload is going to be high that is obvious. It is your choice to do so, please don’t expect that if you enter three bikes that the race order will be tailored to your requirements that is just not possible or fair to others.

Well said.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: 09.0 on January 19, 2013, 01:29:26 PM
What about the non age group race being an all powers race? The 125's are always the smallest group also. I think the Evo 125 age group class will end up being an all in 125 race, scored separately.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Hardo on January 19, 2013, 01:42:08 PM
I did read the MOMS Scrivo... (albeit eventually...thru my 'green tinted glasses'  :P ) thats what the apology was for....   ::)

In any case - I agree with your last post about people expecting meetings to be tailor made around them. Happens all the time.

This is going to be a great event.  :)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 19, 2013, 01:45:14 PM
What about the non age group race being an all powers race? The 125's are always the smallest group also. I think the Evo 125 age group class will end up being an all in 125 race, scored separately.
We only have a 40 bike grid I would be very disappointed if we only have 40 EVO entries in total.

What you are suggesting is that the age races are the premier class and that is just not the case, well certainly not in a lot of peoples minds.

I know of at least 10 people that want to enter two EVO classes and they are the only classes they have bikes for. What you are suggesting can only be looked at after entries close.

Everyone just need to enter what they want to ride and then a program can be put together that is normal race meeting process.

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 19, 2013, 01:47:38 PM
I did read the MOMS Scrivo... (albeit eventually...thru my 'green tinted glasses'  :P ) thats what the apology was for....   ::)

In any case - I agree with your last post about people expecting meetings to be tailor made around them. Happens all the time.

This is going to be a great event.  :)
OK sorry I misread your post must have had my Spanish glasses on :P :-[
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: 09.0 on January 19, 2013, 05:40:19 PM
What about the non age group race being an all powers race? The 125's are always the smallest group also. I think the Evo 125 age group class will end up being an all in 125 race, scored separately.
We only have a 40 bike grid I would be very disappointed if we only have 40 EVO entries in total.

What you are suggesting is that the age races are the premier class and that is just not the case, well certainly not in a lot of peoples minds.

I know of at least 10 people that want to enter two EVO classes and they are the only classes they have bikes for. What you are suggesting can only be looked at after entries close.

Everyone just need to enter what they want to ride and then a program can be put together that is normal race meeting process.


just a suggestion to throw into the hat. Not everyone would enter, especially the older guys that would feel they had a better chance in the age group. Fastest 40 get in or some other way to get to forty gates.
I also can't quite grasp why it has to be a three day event and still have time issues. The last pre78 nationals was a two day event and had pre 60,65,70,75,75 age group, 78,4 stroke, ladies and sidecars. The races were about 10 minutes long (?).
This one is Evo,Evo age group, pre85 and 90 and sidecars doing approx. 15 minute Motos. 9 versus 5 events. I must be missing something but what? Due to not enough numbers some were combined such as an age class and women's.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on January 19, 2013, 06:29:57 PM
Brad no one said we had time issues if practice is on Friday. What was said is that we have time issues if trying to run it over two days with all the classes forming a grid.

I cannot comment on the last Classic Titles although all reports indicate they were very successful and enjoyed by all and we hope that these titles will be the same. You suggest that the races at those Classic Titles were about 10mins, the races at these titles are 15min +1 lap which effectively means a 20min race by the time the circuit is clear for the next race. Even the 5 lap age races will effectively be a 15min race by the time the circuit is clear (last rider finishes).

It would be expected that EVO and Pre85 at least will be large fields so the opportunity to combine classes will most likely be less. The objective is to allow as many people as possible to enter and take part not to eliminate a lot of riders during qualifying.

When entries are in then races that can be combined will be. Everyone seems to be trying to put the cart before the horse so to speak. How can anyone possibly expect that race scheduling, race make up (combining) or race timetable can be done now?

The entry forms will be out ASAP and then people can enter the events they want to I assume that is how it operated at the Classic Titles you mentioned.

The Club and officials running this event (not me) are some of the most experienced MX officials in NSW and we have to give them our full support. They have ran National Junior Titles (an 8 day event), National MX title rounds and numerous State Title rounds
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: 09.0 on January 19, 2013, 06:54:35 PM
I honestly thought this was a discussion about possible scenarios and timetables, restrictions and all other things that were previously mentioned.Without going back through the thread I was sure you were asking others opinions regarding these things. I'm now a little confused what this thread is for.
 Reading the headline its to say its confirmed. Okay fantastic, I'll be there with bells on. I will say no more. If you aren't up for suggestions or general talk on this subject, maybe you should lock it.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on January 19, 2013, 08:27:27 PM
Brad I am not sure why you seem offended. The objective of this thread is to float current issues for the Post Classic titles for comment. Nothing more, nothing less. Most of the issues aired throughout this thread have had both positive and negative rsponses.

My reply was simply responding to some of the points from your post there was no intent to either dispute or support the validity of the points you made.

There is little more that can be acheived until the supp regs are published although locking the thread would serve little purpose.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on January 21, 2013, 08:42:06 PM
Question to the organizers, somewhere along the way when I was looking at either the SA entry form or the Tassy entry form, I think I recall one of the regulations for the riders was we all had to have our name and or number on our riding jerseys. I think the reasoning behind this was so we could quickly be identified in case of a multi bike accident and we were not conscious and the people attending did not know us. I may have dreamed this but I don't think so, if I have my apologies, just ignore it.

My question is, will this be one of the regulations for this meeting?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Sgt Hugo Stiglitz on January 21, 2013, 09:24:17 PM
[I think I recall one of the regulations for the riders was we all had to have our name and number on our riding jerseys. I think the reasoning behind this was so we could quickly be identified in case of a multi bike accident and we were not conscious and the people attending did not know us. I may have dreamed this but I don't think so, if I have my apologies, just ignore it.

My question is, will this be one of the regulations for this meeting?
[/quote]  ;D  ;D  ;D

Dude, you are to much.  :D
Sniffing that T shirt ink certainly has it's benefits.

Love Hugo
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: maico police on January 21, 2013, 09:30:11 PM
I think just a back number is enough. More to do with identifying riders being naughty and for lap scorers (yes I know we have transponders).
Bit hard to get your name on body armour if its worn on the outside (like I do).
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: head on January 21, 2013, 09:38:16 PM
Back numbers are incase it is muddy and you can be identified by lap scorers when the numbers on your bike are covered in mud.  Transponders solve the problem. But usually still required.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on January 21, 2013, 09:38:38 PM
In Qld you need to have your number only on your back whether it be on body armour or your jersey.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on January 22, 2013, 05:23:54 AM
12.6.5 Back Numbers – Seniors and Juniors
12.6.5.1 No junior or senior may compete without
back numbers, except in Enduro, MotoTrials, Road Racing or interclub/closed
to club competitions unless wearing the
machine identification number on their back
in contrasting colours and with a minimum
size of 125mm height and 20mm width of
stroke.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on January 22, 2013, 06:23:22 AM
Thanks, that answers my question
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: SON on January 29, 2013, 10:39:09 PM
Good News for the Titles
In my opinion one of the best motorcycle riders in the country
Rob Jones is going to ride the event,
Rob is just back from 6 months training with Steve Gall.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: EML on January 30, 2013, 09:23:33 AM
who is that good news for?? not us slow buggers that's for sure.
anyway, what sort of sidecar does he ride? :D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on January 30, 2013, 02:10:00 PM
who is that good news for?? not us slow buggers that's for sure.
anyway, what sort of sidecar does he ride? :D

HaHaHa :D I was thinking the same thing as well. What class does the SOB ride in?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on January 30, 2013, 02:50:29 PM
Good News for the Titles
In my opinion one of the best motorcycle riders in the country
Rob Jones is going to ride the event,
Rob is just back from 6 months training with Steve Gall.
Who the hell is rob jones,what discipline does he ride?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on January 30, 2013, 03:14:17 PM
Quote
Who the hell is rob jones,what discipline does he ride?
I wondered the same thing too Johnny O ???. If he's the same Rob Jones who won the Welsh pre 68 title in 2009 on a Cheney B44 I'd like to welcome him to Australia. 8) 
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Davey Crocket on January 30, 2013, 03:35:43 PM
He's the young guy that cleaned up at Crystal Brook Nats a couple of years ago I think......hired gun....from South Aust.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Ando on January 30, 2013, 03:42:20 PM
He's the young guy that cleaned up at Crystal Brook Nats a couple of years ago I think......hired gun....from South Aust.

How young Davey?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Tossa on January 30, 2013, 03:44:21 PM
wasn't that Tom Jones
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Tossa on January 30, 2013, 03:44:58 PM
MA results show TOM JONES
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: TM BILL on January 30, 2013, 04:13:54 PM
MA results show TOM JONES

Thats not unusual or should i say its not unusual  ;D

bet he goes well on his home track on the green green grass of home  :)

im coming home ( in first place )

because mama told him not to come (anything but first )
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Tossa on January 30, 2013, 04:19:52 PM
how did I not see that one coming!!!!!lol
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: maico police on January 30, 2013, 04:25:02 PM
Hired gun or not, the more the better.  :)
The slower guys will still be in the same position (from last place).
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on January 30, 2013, 06:42:55 PM
MA results show TOM JONES

Thats not unusual or should i say its not unusual  ;D

bet he goes well on his home track on the green green grass of home  :)

im coming home ( in first place )

because mama told him not to come (anything but first )


HaHaHa  :D :D :D Very funny
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: VMX Andrew on January 30, 2013, 08:35:13 PM
Wasnt Rob Jones an ex aussie trials and thumper nats champ
 from way back in the 90s.
Pretty sure he rode a Husaberg for Suttos.
Could be wrong though. :)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: EML on January 30, 2013, 08:46:55 PM
If he rode in the 90s he's way too young.
What sort of sidecar  does he have I said!!!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: VMX Andrew on January 30, 2013, 09:01:47 PM
Im pretty sure back then he was racing in the over 35s division.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on January 30, 2013, 09:03:17 PM
I think you can safely assume that we can rest easy EML ;) ;D I'm pretty sure he is not in the sidecars class
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on February 27, 2013, 01:22:01 PM
supp. regs are out
http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Event_Documents/2013/Post_Classic_MX/Post_Classic_MX_Supp_Regs_Final_V1_27FEB13.pdf (http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Event_Documents/2013/Post_Classic_MX/Post_Classic_MX_Supp_Regs_Final_V1_27FEB13.pdf)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: TM BILL on February 27, 2013, 01:41:45 PM
Have i read that correctly, its another $25.00 for a transponder per bike on top of the $20.00 extra entry fee per bike  ???

So if a bloke enters 6 classes thats entry $150.00 + 5x extra entry fees @ $20.00 = $100.00 and 6x transponder hire @$25.00 = $150.00

So a grand total of $420.00  :o

WRONG  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ SECTION 18 OF SUPP REGS EXPLAINS IT PROPERLY  :-[ PAYS TO READ ALL BEFORE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS  ::)

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: maico police on February 27, 2013, 03:17:03 PM
supp. regs are out

Yay!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on February 27, 2013, 03:20:45 PM
TM,
6 bikes at an Australian title meeting,
you obviously can not be serious about any of your classes
just come & ride Lakes practice days,
none of the added cost
Rob
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Noel on February 27, 2013, 04:22:30 PM
Bill ,
read section 18 of supregs,

Cheers
Noel
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Noel on February 27, 2013, 04:33:38 PM
Hi Rob,
Just checking for clarification,
     does entry for age races on same bike as entered for class constitute an extra entry fee 

 "  5. ENTRY FEE
  5.1 Entry Fee Post Classic Championship: Entry will be $150.00 and include the first bike; additional machines thereafter will be an additional $20.00. 

       Age Group Racing
     Evolution solo 125                                $
     Evolution solo 250                                $
     Evolution solo 263 & over                      $ 


Cheers
Noel
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on February 27, 2013, 05:00:58 PM
G`day Noel,
the way I understand it,
yes addition class & $20 fee, same transponder
rob
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on February 27, 2013, 05:38:38 PM
If the Evo age group classes are run within the Evo capacity races and scored separately as I understand it to be then you can't charge an additional $20 entry fee. I have'nt looked at the supp regs yet and am assuming age group races are not separate.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Noel on February 27, 2013, 06:23:56 PM
Sup regs indicate 15 +1 for champ classes, 5 laps for age racing,
suggesting  that they will be separate events
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on February 27, 2013, 06:25:44 PM
Sup regs indicate 15 +1 for champ classes, 5 laps for age racing,
suggesting  that they will be separate events
OK that means things have changed since the discussion on here..
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: TM BILL on February 28, 2013, 07:08:19 AM
Bill ,
read section 18 of supregs,

Cheers
Noel
[/quote

Thanks Noel  :) it just goes to show it pays to read things properly before making assumptions  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Montynut on February 28, 2013, 10:31:12 AM
15+1 for the all in National title sounds good but I think the over 50 age classes could be cut back a bit, maybe 10 +1 or 12+1 (depending on how long a lap is)
This will also help the organisers get through the program on time.
Long races are great to watch when someone is moving through the pack but quite often they end up a procession once everyone has fallen into their groove.
I know it was also proposed to run the age classes within the normal classes but I feel this takes away from the actual age class championship.
# No one riding will be aware if they have to push to beat some one that may or may not be in their class.
# No one spectating will know who is winning the age classes.
# Someone will come away with a National title without anyone knowing (family, sponsers, fan club etc.) which will make it feel like some sort of consolation prize.

It appears that the age races have to be seperate from the outright EVO races and will have to be therefore shorter than the major classes (major as in open as apposed to more important OK). Everyone just be a little patient and all will come together over the next week or so. We have tried to get as much input as possible to go in a direction to try and make this as successful and enjoyable for everyone as possible.

We do need an indication of entry numbers from the sidecars

It was indicated by MA a while back that age races could not be combined with the open races.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: mick25 on March 06, 2013, 09:04:34 AM
On the entry form where it shows the age races there is a $ sign next to each age race. ( to full out )
but I have read through the regs but cant see a fee for the age races ,or is there none ???
just making sure I dont stuff up ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on March 06, 2013, 11:33:44 AM
On the entry form where it shows the age races there is a $ sign next to each age race. ( to full out )
but I have read through the regs but cant see a fee for the age races ,or is there none ???
just making sure I dont stuff up ;)
Have a look at item 5.1 in the Sup regs - $150 for first bike and $20 for additional rides. You should read that as additional class is my understanding. So if you enter a bike in EVO 263+ and EVO 263+ 30-39yrs for example the entry fee would be $170 ($150 + $20).
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: mick25 on March 06, 2013, 12:10:51 PM
Thanks mr greg for clearing that one up.
I just miss read it :-\ blonde moment ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: D project on March 06, 2013, 06:25:54 PM
As a newbie to this sort of event.
17.2 of the sup regs. Does this mean you cannot enter 2 bikes in the one class.
Just thinking of bringing a spare if one lunches itself.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on March 06, 2013, 10:51:01 PM
everyone keen to see the chairs go around, but the organisers need to see some comittment
for one, we need to know IF we need to get the track licensed (don`t know of any others in NSW)
are we going to have the numbers to run a Championship class or run it at all
if not, the meeting format can be run completely different, favouring the solo Championship classes
entries close 3 weeks prior to the event, the way MNSW work, not enough time to relicence the track
please let us know asap if you guys are entering
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on March 06, 2013, 11:16:25 PM
On the entry form where it shows the age races there is a $ sign next to each age race. ( to full out )
but I have read through the regs but cant see a fee for the age races ,or is there none ???
just making sure I dont stuff up ;)
Have a look at item 5.1 in the Sup regs - $150 for first bike and $20 for additional rides. You should read that as additional class is my understanding. So if you enter a bike in EVO 263+ and EVO 263+ 30-39yrs for example the entry fee would be $170 ($150 + $20).
The supp regs say additional machine $20, not additional class. The example above is the same machine in 2 classes so the entry fee would be $150. Are the supp regs right or wrong?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Toolboy on March 07, 2013, 09:08:40 AM
Filling out my application i read it the same as JohnnyO states and have followed this thread since supp regs came out and the same question asked.
Whilst i dont have any issue with the extra $20 the supp regs reads bike not class!!!

Tim
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on March 07, 2013, 03:34:08 PM
$150 = 1 ride
extra $20 = another ride & so on
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Ando on March 07, 2013, 07:31:45 PM
Now that sounds simple enough!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Jeffc on March 08, 2013, 08:40:42 PM
hi guys,sorry to sidetrack this thread but can anyone clear up some bike rules for me.
I have an 84 CR125 which i know has 86-88 cartridge forks as the originals were farked,will this be an issue in regards to eligibility in the pre 85s?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on March 08, 2013, 09:30:07 PM
hi guys,sorry to sidetrack this thread but can anyone clear up some bike rules for me.
I have an 84 CR125 which i know has 86-88 cartridge forks as the originals were farked,will this be an issue in regards to eligibility in the pre 85s?

Technically illegal, but probably one of the most widely ignore ' cheats' in the VMX world is 86/87/88 cartridge forks on pre-85 Hondas.

Although, it's one of those "once you ask, the answer is no" things...
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Jeffc on March 08, 2013, 09:49:41 PM
So if i pulled a fluke and placed somewhere it would all be in vain as i would be a cheat right?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on March 08, 2013, 10:55:14 PM
So if i pulled a fluke and placed somewhere it would all be in vain as i would be a cheat right?

No one would've known if you hadn't told us but yes technically illegal.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on March 11, 2013, 08:59:51 PM
first entries received today
keep them coming
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: SON on March 20, 2013, 03:29:56 AM
Rob, sorry about yesterday, anymore Sidecar entries??
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: VMX247 on March 20, 2013, 09:45:58 PM
Entries close 12th April :P
supp. regs are out
http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Event_Documents/2013/Post_Classic_MX/Post_Classic_MX_Supp_Regs_Final_V1_27FEB13.pdf (http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Event_Documents/2013/Post_Classic_MX/Post_Classic_MX_Supp_Regs_Final_V1_27FEB13.pdf)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Tossa on April 02, 2013, 11:51:48 AM
how are the numbersd going?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 03, 2013, 07:39:10 PM
about 30 entries = very sad
$2,200 permit for 30 entries = sadder again
you guys know where this is heading,
remember last year
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Noel on April 03, 2013, 07:57:15 PM
MMMM that doesn't sound good,
Mine left yesterday so hopfully there will be an influx in the
         8 days
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: VMX247 on April 03, 2013, 08:55:41 PM
Someone gave it a plug  :o  :P
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/ADBadd_zps664a9965.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 03, 2013, 09:03:40 PM
how are the numbersd going?
Unfortunately a lot of the Queenslanders i've spoken to aren't going beacause of the extra time needed off work for a 3 day meeting and the lack of camping at the track, both adding considerably to the cost. Also the hassle of having to pack everything up and load the bikes each night to head back to where they'd have to stay. I thought one of the bonus's of splitting the Nats was so that it could be held over 2 days?
I'm still hoping to be there as long as i can afford it..
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: odd1 on April 03, 2013, 09:22:44 PM
Well it starting to look like a bad idea splitting the nats I'm sorry to say, it would seem if its not held in Queensland or South Australia  its a non event pity as there are a lot of people talking it up but as usual never show.
Lakes club have gone to a lot of trouble to make this happen 30 entries so far  really is a poor showing  from the vintage movement.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on April 03, 2013, 09:31:06 PM
This meeting is a big opportunity and challenge for our sport. If this meeting folds due to lack of entries when will the next first Post Classic Titles be held. Last year it was the travel cost, this year it is because we cannot camp WTF.

This meeting is at an outstanding facility on without a doubt the best EVO / Pre85 / Pre90 track in NSW. It is timed in a period with little else scheduled and is located smack in the middle of the eastern seaboard.

The race format was indicated as the preferred option, the timing of the meetings was indicated as the preferred period. The track has been raved about every time photos appear on this forum. The track is located 1.5hrs from Australia’s largest city and 20 mins from two of NSW’s biggest tourist areas and only 20min from NSW’s second largest city. Access to the track couldn’t be easier only 2mins from the Sydney – Newcastle freeway.
 
The camping issue is really a non-issue as there will be personnel at the facility during the night and there is a massive amount of economical accommodation within 15min of the track. This venue has been used for the National Junior Titles with hundreds of entries with families over a 9 day meeting without serious complaint about camping.

The club promoting this title is not a Vintage MX club but have shown our sport great support by putting their hand up. I cannot imagine another non VMX club seeing our sport as serious if this meeting folds due to entries.

Seriously what more do we want
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Rookie#1 on April 03, 2013, 09:31:37 PM
I never intended on going so its failure or success was never gonna rest on me, BUT if i was an interested competitor i'd be on the phone to all the mates and like minded people i could find. Maybe all the older blokes who have quite a few bikes could start ringing around offering some young up and comers or accomplished guys a vintage ride that otherwise wont be getting any use anytime soon, maybe even offer a mate who doesn't have a vintage bike one of your rides and cut back a class yourself so as to get the numbers?? I really don't have the answers but if it were me who was highly looking forward to the event id be spending this next 8 days doing everything i could to help the host club make things happen, not getting on here prematurely calling its failure and offering your own assumptions as to why. Go make it happen!!  ;) :)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 03, 2013, 09:33:27 PM
I don't think splitting the Nats was a bad idea at all.  The Classic Nats in Qld last year was held over 2 days and camping was available at the track, it makes a big difference in the cost of getting to and from the event especially in these tough times.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on April 03, 2013, 09:59:55 PM
Going by the online enthusiasm shown when this event was announced I thought the Post Classic Nats would be a bigger extravaganza than a Kylie Minogue gig. I'm with Walter on this, let's hope those who are on the fence about entering pull their collective fingers out and enter pronto. The Lake Macquarie club has gone out on a limb to show support for this event so for it and the future promotion of the Post Classic Nats it needs your support. Surely something as simple as camping or a day extra off work isn't holding everyone back ???
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 03, 2013, 10:14:54 PM
Firko for a Queenslander the cost of 3 days off work and 4 nights accomodation versus 2 days off work and free camping on top of entry fees and petrol to get there seems to be enough to deter the guys i've spoken to from coming.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on April 03, 2013, 10:48:43 PM
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Firko for a Queenslander the cost of 3 days off work and 4 nights accomodation versus 2 days off work and free camping on top of entry fees and petrol to get there seems to be enough to deter the guys i've spoken to from coming
I understand the dimemna the guys are facing John but it's a crying shame to see this event flounder two years in a row. The promoting club and the sport deserves better than this. How many Victorians are coming up and for that matter where are the NSW punters when they're needed?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 03, 2013, 10:55:30 PM
Yeah i was hoping that a lot of the Queenslanders would be heading down, i'd really hate to see the Titles fall over for the 2nd year running.
It really should be the biggest race of the year with the large number of pre '90 & pre '85 bikes at the races lately.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: VMX247 on April 03, 2013, 11:29:48 PM
When your doing long miles to a Nationals one of the main ways to do this is as a club team,cost wise.Getting this implemented early of course always helps.  :P

Sidecars from the east coast are getting it together so they are looking as good contenders.
Thanks to Lake Club for time and effort.  8)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: maico police on April 04, 2013, 07:11:19 AM
This meeting is a big opportunity and challenge for our sport. If this meeting folds due to lack of entries when will the next first Post Classic Titles be held. Last year it was the travel cost, this year it is because we cannot camp WTF.

This meeting is at an outstanding facility on without a doubt the best EVO / Pre85 / Pre90 track in NSW. It is timed in a period with little else scheduled and is located smack in the middle of the eastern seaboard.

The race format was indicated as the preferred option, the timing of the meetings was indicated as the preferred period. The track has been raved about every time photos appear on this forum. The track is located 1.5hrs from Australia’s largest city and 20 mins from two of NSW’s biggest tourist areas and only 20min from NSW’s second largest city. Access to the track couldn’t be easier only 2mins from the Sydney – Newcastle freeway.
 
The camping issue is really a non-issue as there will be personnel at the facility during the night and there is a massive amount of economical accommodation within 15min of the track. This venue has been used for the National Junior Titles with hundreds of entries with families over a 9 day meeting without serious complaint about camping.

The club promoting this title is not a Vintage MX club but have shown our sport great support by putting their hand up. I cannot imagine another non VMX club seeing our sport as serious if this meeting folds due to entries.

Seriously what more do we want


Exactly. What more can you do?!! WTF!!

Any type of Nationals requires a few days off work probably even for skate-board ones!

As for not being able to camp that has to be one of the lamest excuses of the lot.

If this falls over then it'll go back to some lame three X three lap event on a Sunday afternoon to decide an Australian Motocross Champion.



They may as well draw fuc king straws for it..........  >:(
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Toolboy on April 04, 2013, 09:18:15 AM
Cmon people lets get behind this event, my entry is in, a couple of days off work booked, travelling from qld, camping at wangi caravan park...too easy... "Im excited",,,,as some big fella used to say

Tim
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: EML on April 04, 2013, 09:33:37 AM
My guess is that we are all stretched finacially...no one complained 2 or 3 years ago.
The cost of every thing has gone up since the red head arrived and at the same time every thing has slowed business wise. We had a car this week that hadn't had an oil change for 40K klm/18 months and is essentially forked...a low K Barina, they just couldn't afford a lube service, apparently.
So all this is combining to pull us back.
I was the 1st to say we would get a good field for sidecars and I cop a lot of flack for that but I see our sport for what it is...exciting, unusual, and a crowd puller, but we need to have a good look at that I guess. The Vics and SAs are more inclined to stay home and race in their own ASA group as their whole families are into it and they can all race on the same day...juniors through to moderns, so that's what they do and we cop it from them as well.
   
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: 211kawasaki on April 04, 2013, 10:11:22 AM
Ive entered

having been the race sec for meetings like this before its always the last week before entries close that they start to roll in in numbers. At the CDT we were toast just days out from the close so I expect that the numbers will swell fast over the next days.

211
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 04, 2013, 10:13:56 AM
What are you riding Dave?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on April 04, 2013, 10:49:32 AM
Why do promoting clubs have to go through this bullshit every bloody year......everyone knows the drill, the dates and particulars have been out for months and over the years we've all heard the pleas from organisers to get your entries in early to help them sort the logistics of the meeting. Like Dave I've also been on the promotor side of the Nats and I'll tell you that it's nail biting stuff waiting for entries to come in. I find it hard to understand (or accept) the 'no camping' excuse when there are camping grounds close to the venue. I thought that the Nats would be inundated by Queenslanders considering how healthy the sport is north of the Tweed and with the track being reasonably close to them, closer that it might be for Victorians anyway. With HEAVEN and the QVMX getting good 2012 entries and a reported resurgence in Victorian numbers one would think that Evo - Pre 85 punters would be tripping over with excitement at competing at their own Aussie title meet. I remember the response when last years event in Tassie was canned....nearly everyone calling"'I'd have definitely entered if it'd been on the East Coast". Well here it is and it you still aren't coming ::).

I hope the Canberra and Temora clubs are watching this and decide to pick up the promotion frenzy for the Classic VMX and Classic DT Nats later this year. We, as a sport have to spin these meetings like they're the biggest event since the AGP because sitting back and thinking the old "put it on and they'll come" doesn't cut it any more.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: gdr on April 04, 2013, 12:32:12 PM
Maybe people are doing the classic Nats and cannot afford to do both .Is the split realy working ? Its f$%&$@ the dirt track .
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: popeye on April 04, 2013, 12:33:54 PM
Be good to see race Dave, is it on the AJS??
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on April 04, 2013, 12:48:10 PM
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Maybe people are doing the classic Nats and cannot afford to do both .Is the split realy working ? Its f$%&$@ the dirt track .
Has the split really flucked the dirt track or is it a greedy MA hitting clubs with the double whammy permit fee, preventing clubs from running both eras on the same program....something easily acheived in dirt track?
As far as motocross is concerned the Conondale Nats of a couple of years ago had a very large entry roll up and it was only for the great organisational skills of Worms, Peter Bell, Shultzy and the committee combined of QVMX and Sunshine Coast Club workers that the event got completed in daylight. The whole theory of the split was to take that load off organising clubs and in theory it should be a success. You'd have to have your organisational ducks all lined up pretty well to run a motocross program with all classes and age groups from pre 60 through to pre 90 in a weekend. Because of a much lower entry flow, it's not nearly a problem in dirt track.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Noel on April 04, 2013, 01:05:15 PM
Just a note, there is no racing on friday , they have made provision for people arriving sat morning,
no need to pack bikes up each night there will be ample security,

the organisers have tried to cover as many obsticals as they can ,
don't be to complacent about this and think maybe next year, may be in my back yard  ::)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: HL400 on April 04, 2013, 02:53:14 PM
I have been training all summer for this and getting two bikes ready big $$$$$ a week of work to get there and back, I hope its a works out.  HL
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: mick25 on April 04, 2013, 04:24:04 PM
I have been training all summer for this and getting two bikes ready big $$$$$ a week of work to get there and back, I hope its a works out.  HL
shit I better start training to ;) I hope we get  more numbers up so its not canned.
I just ticked this event off my bucket list ( to do a national event )  :P
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: bishboy on April 04, 2013, 11:16:16 PM
I would love to be attending but this month I am moving interstate and starting a new job, so unfortunately I can't make it this year  :'(
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: popeye on April 06, 2013, 10:23:09 AM
Down at ,the lakes track at the moment, doing a Test day for the sidecar to make sure all is good and the track is Brilliant..  Took me almost an hour to walk the track im nacked. Any way let you no more after we put the chair around there this arvo...
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on April 06, 2013, 10:57:24 AM
I just received a phonecall from Dave Tanner telling me that the 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles is in grave danger of being cancelled due to of the organisers receiving only 26 entries. According to Dave the most surprising let down has been the low number of N.S.W. entries. What the fluck is wrong people ??????? Where are all of the HEAVEN and Penrith members? Going by the low numbers it's not just a N.S.W. let down however.....it's an entire East Coast problem. When last years event in Tassie was canned because potential racers were put off by the high travel and time costs of getting to the meet, the Post Classic movement cried in unison that "if it was on the East Coast of the mainland I'd have entered". Well, the Post Classic motocross movement must either be inundated with bullshitters or you're too apathetic to bother with such an important meeting, because hardly any of you have lived up to your collective word. Either way, you, the Evo-Pre 85 racers of Australia have let the Lakes Motorcycle Club and the VMX movement in general down big time. The Lakes club have gone to great lengths to ensure that the track and facilities are of a standard befitting a National Title event, they've tabled longer races because that's what you all wanted and even the location is ideal for NSW and Queensland entrants.

Every other year it seems that I put myself on the position of being the bad guy by coming on here on behalf of the promoters pleading with racers enter the Nats, and I shouldn't have to do it...nobody should. The event is our sports Jewel in the Crown and deserves to be treated as such by the VMX populace. I've done a bit of a ring around this morning and one bloke told me that because he's only a mid pack plodder it's not worth his going as he hasn't a chance of winning. Fluck, I went a bit snarky with that statement let me tell ya >:(....How would the Olympic Games fare if only the top three nations showed up? How would the footy be without a Richmond or a Cronulla having a go? It's all about being there, about the occasion and about the fun of being in a pressure racing enviroment and the cameraderie that only an event of this magnitude brings. The split from the Classic Nats was done to enable the Post Classic movement to stand alone and race on proper non compromise tracks in races of a decent length. That's what you all cried out for and forward thinking people have made the changes you wanted. Unfortunately you've repaid those hard working  behind the scenes folks with your apathy.

Please, for the sake of the sport, get a late entry in as soon as you can or before you know it no club is going to want to promote Your Nats ever again. Frankly, I wouldn't blame 'em either >:(

Deja Vu all over again http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=21275.120  (http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=21275.120)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: VMX247 on April 06, 2013, 11:26:12 AM
I'll second that.To forum members and non forum members.
Heart ache for hosting club.
it's right in the middle of the east coast, right on your door step!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Tossa on April 06, 2013, 11:36:54 AM
to think there will probably be 26 riders come over from VMXWA to race in the Classic championships in Canberra.  Go figure!!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: EML on April 06, 2013, 11:52:06 AM
I would love to be attending but this month I am moving interstate and starting a new job, so unfortunately I can't make it this year  :'(
Weakest excuse I've ever heard Bishboy.....harden up pal! :D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on April 06, 2013, 01:22:44 PM
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to think there will probably be 26 riders come over from VMXWA to race in the Classic championships in Canberra.  Go figure!!
Our sport would be in a much better shape if we here on the Eastern side of the island had the same enthusiasm as the West Aussies. For as long as I can recall there have been West Aussies coming over to support our East Coast Nats....I can remember Brian Squires and Stewey Allred coming over in 1993 and it's been container load of them coming over most years ever since. Think of the effort they go to and then think of the limp dick excuse you're using not to drive for four or five hours (no camping ???).
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Toolboy on April 06, 2013, 01:37:52 PM
Well there is still another to week for entries to come in before the closing date of the 12th...what sort of numbers do they need 100 - 150 ???


Tim
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: VMX247 on April 06, 2013, 02:29:22 PM
Well there is still another to week for entries to come in before the closing date of the 12th...what sort of numbers do they need 100 - 150 ???
Tim

Our point of view at least 150 ~ to make it worth the hosting clubs effort.
Track prep,venue inspection,venue cleanup,water,event marketing,Race Sec,programs,race entries,race order,officals,meetings,spectators,pits,parking,canteen,toilets... etc etc etc etc  :P
cheers us2 WA
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: TM BILL on April 06, 2013, 06:25:47 PM
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to think there will probably be 26 riders come over from VMXWA to race in the Classic championships in Canberra.  Go figure!!
Our sport would be in a much better shape if we here on the Eastern side of the island had the same enthusiasm as the West Aussies. For as long as I can recall there have been West Aussies coming over to support our East Coast Nats....I can remember Brian Squires and Stewey Allred coming over in 1993 and it's been container load of them coming over most years ever since. Think of the effort they go to and then think of the limp dick excuse you're using not to drive for four or five hours (no camping ???).
 

X2 Firko  :) while i dont have a great deal of enthusiasm or interst in the post classsic nats ( my interest i pre 78 back) i have a great respect for those from the west who make the trek every Year .
I hope as DT says entries will roll in this week so the event can go ahead .

Looks like a great track and the club has gone all out , but i understand not camping at the track will put a   few off . Why cant people camp at the track ? is it  another NSW speedway act thing like parking in the pits ?

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Davey Crocket on April 06, 2013, 06:34:19 PM
Geezus Bill, I thought Dave wrote that. ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: TM BILL on April 06, 2013, 06:43:27 PM
Geezus Bill, I thought Dave wrote that. ;D

 Beer Plus worn out key board   ::) adjusted now  ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: EML on April 06, 2013, 06:48:56 PM
 No camping 'cause it's under a high voltage power cable and they don't want all these VMXers turning into zombies that glow oin the dark  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on April 06, 2013, 06:57:44 PM
I will probably get howled down for this - is the lack of entries because the 5% that voiced for the longer races/championship status etc - have put off the 95% that were going for a ride?  I understand the stance but the big ones recently have catered for everybody - "make it for A graders and A graders come" but what about the rest?

Had to ask?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: EML on April 06, 2013, 07:09:59 PM
Noy a bad point but it is a national title, if you want it the other way just go to HBBB and CD.
Maybe every state should just hold one of each each year and be done with, that way if you are holidaying inter state you can join in the fun, or stay at home and still get your fix.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: bazza on April 06, 2013, 07:32:49 PM
cost of licence,cost of entry,travel cost,cant camp to keep cost down,in a recession = no punters??
I know all should make an effort but in hard times may be to much?

Seems to be variation in numbers even at events like C/D depending where it is held.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 06, 2013, 08:45:53 PM
we asked what you guys wanted & accomodated for exactly that
you wanted 15min motos & you are now whinging about a meeting over 3 days,
do the maths guys & our format was based on best case senerio, without splittiing any age classes
I have held off saying this for too long, it is worse than dealing with 50cc parents, you can`t be pleased

positive day today with 3 hrs of a sidecar gracing our track, & loving it
hopefully the experience will be shared on this forum
thanks for today guys (we loved it)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: odd1 on April 06, 2013, 08:50:34 PM
Well I have just got back from Lakes and all I can say is it was absolutely awesome The track was well prepared the facility's are fantastic they have catered for 700 odd riders for 7 days for the modern nationals so these guys know how to put on an event. The camping thing is power company's policy as the track sits on 2 easements if they turn up and find people camping they will stop the meeting but as said earlier 700 competitors managed. There is an area to put the bikes at night and the pits will have sercurity. The organizers have told me they will be making there decision on the 12/13th.
Please don't get on here complaining  about not getting to ride  and clubs not supporting us its a two way street  
and so far the club has put its money where its mouth is it is up to to us to do the same.
Popeye just drove down from QLD 8 hrs  rode for 4 hours and jumped back in his car and drove back.
toughen up princess's this is Motocross not lawn bowls!
 
Steve Baker
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: SON on April 06, 2013, 09:00:32 PM
Newcastle Herald and NBNTV were there and will both do stories on the Sidecars and the event.
I will post links after they are published.
Going to be worth a look just for the GOPRO footage
 again thanks to Steve & Popeye and off course Danial and Liam the passengers
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 06, 2013, 09:04:12 PM
we asked what you guys wanted & accomodated for exactly that
you wanted 15min motos & you are now whinging about a meeting over 3 days,
do the maths guys & our format was based on best case senerio, without splittiing any age classes
I have held off saying this for too long, it is worse than dealing with 50cc parents, you can`t be pleased
That's not correct at all, we asked for the Evo age group races to be combined into the Evo capacity classes so that the meeting could be held over 2 days.
I'm putting my entry in next week.. you should go back to the thread where all this was discussed and see how many of those commenting actually put an entry in, probably not many..
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 06, 2013, 09:18:38 PM
Johnny,
please read post from very early on
we asked MA, but it was not allowed to be
this is an Australian title meeting & must be treated as such,
so you can retract that comment whenever you wish
Odd1, Popeye & Danny may be the only ones to experience what we have to offer
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 06, 2013, 09:50:12 PM
I don't need to retract anything, it was months ago we asked for races to be combined to keep it to 2 days and nothing was said about MA rules at that time.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: bishboy on April 06, 2013, 10:44:02 PM
I would love to be attending but this month I am moving interstate and starting a new job, so unfortunately I can't make it this year  :'(
Weakest excuse I've ever heard Bishboy.....harden up pal! :D

I thought it pretty good and I forgot to mention that the bike is in a thousand pieces :D 

I'd much rather be getting organised to go to the nats than packing up a house and moving 500km away :'(
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: odd1 on April 07, 2013, 04:23:52 AM
The 'Lakes' circuit at Toronto, with Steve and Danny.
What a great promo/demo day at the 'Lakes', showing the local media what it's going to be like at the upcoming Post Classic Nationals with a few outfits on the program. The track was brilliant and the crew from the Lake Macquarie Motorcyle Club couldn't have been better.
By: VMX Magazine
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: 09.0 on April 07, 2013, 06:53:27 AM
As most know I have gone to most oz titles. I had been waiting to the death mainly because I was looking down the barrel of not being able to afford to go due to lack of work. I got a money order yesterday so my entry will be on its way.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: maico police on April 07, 2013, 07:08:17 AM
Finger pointing and excuses. Excuses are like arseholes. Everybody has one.

If this falls over we should all be ashamed of ourselves.

How could anyone take VMX seriously after this. I think most people are happier pissing it up at another CD or HBBB talking up how good they never were.

I really do feel for The Lakes MCC. We're an embarresment. >:(
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: 09.0 on April 07, 2013, 07:23:11 AM
The locals make up the majority where ever the event is. All you nsw guys should be embarrassed. Support your own event. It's the same every year with the vintage mr mx.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 07, 2013, 07:26:40 AM
The locals make up the majority where ever the event is. All you nsw guys should be embarrassed. Support your own event. It's the same every year with the vintage mr mx.
That's true, Qld had big numbers at the Classic Titles at Wyaralong last year now it's NSW turn..
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: gdr on April 07, 2013, 07:30:23 AM
Are you going Ross ?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: maico police on April 07, 2013, 07:35:11 AM
Do you seriously think I'd be getting this wound up if I wasn't Grant!?!  ???
I had my entry in the first few days the sup regs were released. Happy that at last there was a decent format at a grouse track for a proper pre 90 Aussie Title meeting.

(I even got some fuggin' tank stickers so's I wouldn't be poo-pooed by the establishment)

You?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: gdr on April 07, 2013, 07:38:56 AM
No ,as you may have noticed we are unable to do moto-x any more due to 2 work place injuries Yip recived .But sure do miss it .
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: gdr on April 07, 2013, 07:41:03 AM
I thought this would be huge .
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: maico police on April 07, 2013, 07:42:03 AM
Your Honour. I rest my case........
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: gdr on April 07, 2013, 07:47:01 AM
How many of the viper boys are going ?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: maico police on April 07, 2013, 08:13:33 AM
How many of the viper boys are going ?

You might want to let it go now Grant. You don't ride. Your boy isn't riding. I'd just let it go.....
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: mudguard on April 07, 2013, 08:13:56 AM
Just started reading this thread ( must have been MIA for a few months as it is now 20 pages long ).
The Lakes was the first club I joined to give me a taste of motocross. The year was 1980 and as a junior member, I was in awe of this format of racing. Prior to being exposed to motocross I had only experienced a few years of riding through the local areas of bush and quarries, on borrowed mates bikes , until I got my own. The track layout back then, I thought was great, and the photos of todays track layout look awesome.
It's great to see the LMMC still in existance now. Would like to ride there again someday, just for old time sake.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Davey Crocket on April 07, 2013, 08:19:38 AM
Where are the NSW riders?....Heaven would have a 100 members wouldnt it?....and the other club?.....Hunter Valley has always been big on MX....shit Sydney is the biggest city in OZ, 6? million people, 2 hours from the track.....more than embarrassing....22 entries out of 6 mill.... and there not all NSW... (look at NZ, they have 4 mill all up and run great events spread out over a huge area)you blokes are on the pace....not, I think you guys need to do a ring around every member and ask WHY?. When you look back 2 years ago, Freaky and his small band of helpers ran one of the best Nats ever in South Australia where they dont even have a VMX club....farken embarrassing. NSW is letting everybody down, dont blame other States, the home state always supplies the majority of entries....and JohnnyO is right, 2 days is all this meeting should be....THAT was one of the reasons for the split....and it was stated early on when you guys where asking what everybody wanted, and it was 2 days to start with....then went to 3. There are always excuses why people cant come and that will always be the case but you need to look at this in a positive way and ring up all your NSW members and ask WHY?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: gdr on April 07, 2013, 08:22:22 AM
What sort of an answer is that Ross ,you saying im not allowed to have an interest in the Nats ? . Where have you been over the last 4-5 years don;t rember seeing you at any of them .  ???
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: maico police on April 07, 2013, 09:04:23 AM
Where have you been over the last 4-5 years don;t rember seeing you at any of them .  ???

Because I've never believed that a 3 X 3 lap race format on a  track with no decent jumps is a way of deciding a Championship for bikes with 12 inches of suspension.

That's why you've never seen me at one Grant.  ???

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: popeye on April 07, 2013, 10:59:59 AM
Good to see some entries are going in next week, lets not get to wound up yet...

Hopefully we will get the entries tp have the event as it is a great track and the people are even better, a big thank you to Rob, Dareen, Brett, Ben and the others that where there yesterday, they couldn't have been Moore helpful, from a sidecar side of things after walking the track in the morning I thought we might have some trouble  in one section which is up hill with not a lot of run at it, but it was all good, no problem and thanks to Steve Baker for swinging and the use of his amazing EML CR500 sidecar, and also I got the chance to ride with Danny, who is 5 times World Champion in sidecars Hansi Bactholds passenger, was very good to get some pointers from him, I think both Steve and myself learnt some valuable stuff from him so thanks Danny. Looking forward to the event hope it all works out...
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: EML on April 07, 2013, 11:33:19 AM
May I correct your correction, Danni is Hansis current passenger--whenever he rolls the jumbo out and now that he has a new EML chassis to develope for them.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: EML on April 07, 2013, 11:41:43 AM
Was ist das?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: popeye on April 07, 2013, 12:12:15 PM
Hi Walter, yes I think the big 4 strokes would be good on this track as there are 3 big uphill sections with plenty of room to stretch the legs, would be hard work on the bigger heavier bikes on down hills and some tight corners, but no problems, yeh Danny is current passenger I think sorry bout that...

I'd love to do a weekend of tuition with him.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: popeye on April 07, 2013, 01:48:26 PM
No mate that just for the media day and check out the track for approval....
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: odd1 on April 07, 2013, 03:15:27 PM
Its a 90 not a 91
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Curly3 on April 07, 2013, 06:19:16 PM
If the Post Classics are struggling to get numbers in MX then what hope does DT have?
For the second year running it looks like DT won't even have a Post Classic Titles, at least you guy's have clubs willing to take it on, but for how much longer?
It was only a matter of time before there was a split and it just happened to be last year, what I can't work out is why do these Championships have to be run over 3 days?
C'mon Heaven members, the sport needs you.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Slakewell on April 07, 2013, 07:01:59 PM
Look I have rang a couple of guys who I know are riding and they tell me they cant find entries? I suggested MA website.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: kim80y on April 07, 2013, 08:20:43 PM
Hi all,
It will be a crying shame if this event falls to the wayside.
I don't know how many QLD's have entered but I do know that QVMX has riders that come to races and those that only come to practise days, I would say 1/3 of the whole club ONLY ride practise days, for whatever reason.
Of the QVMX racing fraternity, I don't know how many would be able to sustain at this event, def not me, but I just ride n have fun.

Not excuses, only facts, am currently going over this thread and lakes bike club page for info to put out to QVMX members to get their entries in.

God I hope more entries flow in.

Cheers,
Kim ???
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on April 07, 2013, 08:34:22 PM
Look I have rang a couple of guys who I know are riding and they tell me they cant find entries? I suggested MA website.
http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Event_Documents/2013/Post_Classic_MX/Post_Classic_MX_Supp_Regs_Final_V1_27FEB13.pdf

http://www.heaven-vmx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Post_Classic_MX_Supp_Regs_Final_V1_27FEB13.pdf

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: 211kawasaki on April 07, 2013, 09:15:54 PM
What are you riding Dave?
A4 250 John - its the newest thing Ive got!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on April 07, 2013, 09:28:38 PM
Everyone enters at the last possible minute.
I haven't entered yet, because I don't know which bikes will be ready, and I don't know if my busted thumb will be OK or not - it's not an excuse, just reality (and "excuse" suggests that I need anyone's approval...).

None of which diminishes my enthusiasm for this event.

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: foxy999 on April 08, 2013, 02:42:57 PM
wanting on work to advise if i can get leave...
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: EML on April 08, 2013, 04:22:09 PM
You dont need leave, you leave Thursday after work, you have a sicky on Friday and Monday is a holiday so no leave reqd. for you Bri.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: supersenior 50 on April 08, 2013, 05:16:13 PM
Having been involved in the "split" one of the big pluses for what is now Post Classic as expressed by a lot of riders both on and off the forum was longer and more challenging races commensurate with the more modern bikes ( and generally younger riders).Before any 50yo riders take issue, there are at least two riders over 70 entered.This is what The Lakes is offering.
SOLUTION:- The organisers advise they will consider reducing race lengths on merit on the day.
The 3 day format was to get all the preliminaries over to allow two full days of racing. This is a sticking point for some riders with work committments etc.
SOLUTION :-I understand some early sign on and scrutjneering can take place Sat morning
The lack of camping which throws up issues of cost and convenience is being spoken of.
SOLUTION :- The whole Western side of Lake MacQuarrie is dotted with small towns, camp sites, caravan parks etc. Toronto is 5 minutes from the track. The cost of a campsite for a couple of days is a drop in the bucket in the overall scheme of things.
The inconvenience of packing up each night is an excuse used.
SOLUTION :- A security fenced compound with all night lighting and officials in attendance all night.
"Racing is too full on" expressed earlier on this thread.
SOLUTION :- Its only as full on as you want to make it.
The above is my take on the situation as I understand it, and you need to check with the organisers.

Some satistics :- The Classic C'ship last year in Qld drew a record entry.Does this suggest the Post Classic riders are less supportive?
                         This venue is about the most geographically central possible.
                         There is a strong local Post Classic presence ( Heaven) with I understand over a hundred riders.
                         Queensland VMX Club had well over a hundred riders at their day a week or so ago.
                         ? Viper the main Victorian Club for this era.
                         The Pre85 Club of WA. Guys the WA Pre75 guys make the trek every year.
                          Heaps of clubs have Post Classic riders even if their  focus may be on Classic.
Conclusion :- If this event doesnt go off like a rocket, theres something sadly missing in the Post Classic ranks.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Noel on April 08, 2013, 06:16:38 PM
Yep,
 what he said!



Noel
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: maico police on April 08, 2013, 06:51:59 PM
X 2
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Slakewell on April 08, 2013, 07:28:58 PM
I hope this runs and maybe they need to bend a few rules and take late entries etc
Can I get a event License and enter late? I wasnt going to ride as I only have pre 77 bikes but I ride to help make numbers. 
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: EML on April 08, 2013, 07:53:35 PM
Racing is too full-on--ha
I entered last year in the pre60 class to make up the numbers.......I had an absolute ball riding a Villiers Bantam that was set up for classic trials....And almost pulled off the national class title. FInished 2nd on a count back and confirmed the adage that to finish first, first you must finish. IT capped agreat week end an I wish I could be at Toronto this time for the same reason.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 08, 2013, 08:16:46 PM
Thats all good Col. After reading the sup regs it appears practice is on Friday with none on Saturday so you still need to be there Friday if you want to learn the track.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: supersenior 50 on April 08, 2013, 09:49:42 PM
John, ask the organisers. They are keen to make it a success.
I dont think allowing late entries is a good strategy. We ran the 2011 Classic Dirt Track titles, the 2012 Classic MX titles, and the Panpac Games without letting in late entries. If you cant enter on time, you shouldnt expect hard pressed volunteer organisers to accommodate you.
If this falls over because of insufficient on time entries it is the riders and the sport that are the losers.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on April 08, 2013, 09:58:35 PM
Two great posts Col  ''Conclusion :- If this event doesnt go off like a rocket, theres something sadly missing in the Post Classic ranks '' covers it in a nutshell.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 08, 2013, 10:07:31 PM
it was advertised as soon as or before regs were approved & out that entries would close 3 weeks prior to the event to set a format to please the masses.
don`t give us the late entry shit
decision will be made Saturday morning 13/4/13 & will be advised here
we are a club of professional quality
please don`t waste our time
Rob Paric
0438 512183
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Curly3 on April 08, 2013, 10:20:22 PM
Back in the day, late entries were rarely accepted and given today's communication's it really shouldn't be recquired.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: marshallmech on April 08, 2013, 10:52:35 PM
Well no camping is the main reason i haven't entered allot will say  there's plenty of towns around to get a campsite at but its the in connivance and also there is not the atmosphere. Good atmosphere good  race meeting IMO.
Hard to do work on the bike if needed in a caravan park and just general prep is also harder .
The main reason it didn't happen in Tasmania IMO was cost and cost plays big part in it all there are people  whom can easily afford it and others that struggle but love to participate but just don't have the funds with all the associated costs of a national event.
And another reason that plays a big  part IMO is that most guys in the scene spend  allot with club fees, license fees, entry fees, bike prep, race the rounds his vmx club run  to come to a national meeting only to have  no chance against the ring in on someones bike whom does nothing for the VMX scene all year but can come and blow every one away on a borrowed bike.Winning isn't everything and just to compete at a Nats is a buzz but is makes you wonder is it worth it when this happens .
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 08, 2013, 10:58:06 PM
5 entries recieved today
MA has been advised that we we won`t be paying the invoice for the $2,200 permit fee
we have made 120 entries our minimum requirement to go ahead with this meeting
Lakes, Home of Champions
 
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: supersenior 50 on April 08, 2013, 11:11:40 PM
We had 166 entries for the Classics at Wyaralong, and with all the noise about Pre85 and Pre90 over the past year or so Id have thought this event would draw that number or more.
There is a simple solution to the "ring in" issue if anyone is interested.I must admit there is a case to address this. Not talking about regular young riders sponsored by dads or people that cant ride (health ) themselves.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: marshallmech on April 08, 2013, 11:17:34 PM
Thank you Senior my own thoughts are to qualify you must have competed in 4 or more rounds in your states clubs vmx competition.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 08, 2013, 11:30:33 PM
thanks for your input marshallmech
I`ll close it off now
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Rookie#1 on April 08, 2013, 11:39:08 PM
5 entries recieved today
MA has been advised that we we won`t be paying the invoice for the $2,200 permit fee

 

That does sadly sound like the nails are already prepared to be hammered into the coffin.  :( Shame if it's so, if this event doesn't go ahead 2 years running i dont like the chances of another club taking on the job of hosting one like it anytime soon. Sounds like Lakes have done everything they can to make this happen, despite the countless different reasons people have put forward as their preventive for attending i really do think it all comes back in some way to economics. There is just not a lot of spare funds around for many at present, many are even restricted by budget as to how many state club events or Vinduro's or .......... or ............they'll be able to do this year.

I can see how people don't like the idea of "young guns coming in on borrowed bikes to take home a trophy" but maybe thats something that needs to be promoted not downtrodden in order to get the numbers an event like this needs to go ahead, it really is up to the elder statesman of this scene to do all they can in the next ten years to pass on their knowledge, skills, enthusiasm and maybe even some of their bikes to see some regrowth in the sport. If younger guys never have the opportunity to find out about and experience classic/post classic dirt bikes and racing/riding/vinduro it will eventually die with those that started it way back when. The modern bikes that most 20 year olds and under have ridden will never be of any significance as they are all pretty much the same in technology and styling. The golden era will always be just that, their won't be another one so its up to the guys on the way out to teach the "young guns" and "gen y's" just how important everything that happened pre 1990 in motorcycle innovation and design really was. Sure a lot of them are smartass punks who won't care or maybe even tut tut at riding anything that doesnt have a 4 stroke engine that revs to the moon and eight million inches of suspension travel, but there's still plenty of level headed good kids out there who you might just get keen on doing something different/interesting/ hell ya might even get a few that want to learn something about the history of a sport they probably think was born the day they were ::)

This might have started to become a little off topic and i do apologise for that, but i feel its worth peoples consideration. For what it's worth I'm a 29 year old "never was" and i love everything about motorcycling, but certainly didnt learn what i know about classic motorcycles and vmx from blokes my age.  ;)

Cheers, Brendan
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: 09.0 on April 09, 2013, 05:40:24 AM
Thank you Senior my own thoughts are to qualify you must have competed in 4 or more rounds in your states clubs vmx competition.
I have been to most title events. The most I can remember was three or four at Broadford. You talk as if the events are littered with young guys.
How many title events would you have placed but for the hired guns?
How many title events have you raced?
The fact that the local riders don't want to support what should be a large and great event in their own back yard points the finger squarely at them.
It would be good if we had it up here in Queensland next year. We love to ride up here, not just talk about it.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: odd1 on April 09, 2013, 06:01:21 AM
Thank you Senior my own thoughts are to qualify you must have competed in 4 or more rounds in your states clubs vmx competition.
I have been to most title events. The most I can remember was three or four at Broadford. You talk as if the events are littered with young guys.
How many title events would you have placed but for the hired guns?
How many title events have you raced?
The fact that the local riders don't want to support what should be a large and great event in their own back yard points the finger squarely at them.
It would be good if we had it up here in Queensland next year. We love to ride up here, not just talk about it.

Brad it would appear that we are much better at talking it up down here. If NSW doesn't support this we deserve all the s#^t that will be thrown our way.

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: maico police on April 09, 2013, 06:25:42 AM
Lame the track down. Make the race three laps. Don't prepare your bike. Don't do anything in the way of fitness. Smoke, piss it up, talk it up.

Do you really think you'd be in with a chance at a title?
The fast guys are always going to be fast. Three laps or ten. Jumps/no jumps.

Most club days are more than five laps on a bike and people seem to make it about (yes even the grey haired ones) without the need for a heart massage afterwards.  ???


Challenge yourselves. :-[
(Take a day off work. You'll be dead one day so why fuggin' worry about it!)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: 3858 on April 09, 2013, 07:12:06 AM
I like what Mont said....

I entered a month ago...I watched what I have been eating... I have been working on my bike to make it faster..not prettier..

I was happy to be beaten by faster guys..was going to soak the experience of an Australian Tilte... but I was going to also have a serious go.

Every night I would do a lap in my head as I went to sleep of Lakes......maybe a bit too much but tell me you haven't once or twice.

To the folk that have been behind the scenes to get this going....thankyou...  to those that sat around waiting to enter but had the handbag of excuses ... sell your bikes now to someone that deserves them....
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: FireKwaka on April 09, 2013, 07:47:07 AM
I've entered so I should be entitled to have a say, Firstly a big thankyou to the organising club for putting in the effort to give us the opertunity to have the privelage to compete in a national event. i don't race very often due to time and financial reasons but I try to do at least one event a year with a couple of local club days prior as practice, if a major VMX or VDT event is within my reach I'll do my damnest to be there. I had to borrow money and not ride my bike to save the rings just so I could have a go at this one. I don't expect to win but just to enjoy the experience and say I competed at a national level in the sport i am passionate about will do me. I am still confident there will be a flood of entries this week.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: odd1 on April 09, 2013, 08:08:20 AM
I've entered so I should be entitled to have a say, Firstly a big thankyou to the organising club for putting in the effort to give us the opertunity to have the privelage to compete in a national event. i don't race very often due to time and financial reasons but I try to do at least one event a year with a couple of local club days prior as practice, if a major VMX or VDT event is within my reach I'll do my damnest to be there. I had to borrow money and not ride my bike to save the rings just so I could have a go at this one. I don't expect to win but just to enjoy the experience and say I competed at a national level in the sport i am passionate about will do me. I am still confident there will be a flood of entries this week.

Well done this is what its all about
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: odd1 on April 09, 2013, 08:12:50 AM
Lame the track down. Make the race three laps. Don't prepare your bike. Don't do anything in the way of fitness. Smoke, piss it up, talk it up.

Do you really think you'd be in with a chance at a title?
The fast guys are always going to be fast. Three laps or ten. Jumps/no jumps.

Most club days are more than five laps on a bike and people seem to make it about (yes even the grey haired ones) without the need for a heart massage afterwards.  ???


Challenge yourselves. :-[
(Take a day off work. You'll be dead one day so why fuggin' worry about it!)


Its a good job you don't have to put an entry into heaven when you die some might be waiting a while to get in!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: whitey 43 on April 09, 2013, 08:21:14 AM
So many positive comments! What was the argument again? Oh, yeah, late entries wasnt it? Or was it Former Guns competiting?...Im going to probably upset some people, but here goes: Yeah, late entries shouldnt be accepted to a National event-Organisers have to create programmes & the like & it only makes it harder for the volunteers to organise a already difficult event. Who really cares if some gun or former gun jumps on a old bike to run the title? If Gally wanted to dust his Rat Gear off & go for a spin, would he be refused entry? Mick Cook & Steve Maguire have travelled O/S (in the last few years) to race the vetrans on moderns,(not to mention some of our own riders travelling to the U.K &N.Z[ ]) would they be refused if I wanted to hand my bike to them to ride? I always thought that if you had a National MA licence, you were entitled to race where ever you wanted to, with no issues. I was also a "Never Was", but entered in national mx events & supercrosses, just so I could experience lining up against the best in the country. Having a "Super Gun" turn up & race can only improve the profile of the sport & may just get some more young fellas on seats. Without them, our sport will eventually die...
I await my blasting....
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: whitey 43 on April 09, 2013, 08:46:25 AM
I personally would have loved to go, but (here they come) work commitments, the almighty dollar & the fact that I drink too much on the weekends, restricting my ability to finish at least 1 of my projects, has stalled my weak arsed attempt to compete...At least im not thirsty ;D
Trophies only tell you how good you used to be....(Decent) Prize money would change the dynamic of what VMX is all about.
In my humble opinion
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: worms on April 09, 2013, 09:10:57 AM
for what its worth, I think it comes down to a traditionally non VMX club, ( stand corrected ) throwing their hand up for the movement and not having that full inter club support of VMXers to run with it, good on them for having a go, but what about the piss poor effort of the local VMX clubs, all the hard work is being done for you guys, just turn up and ride, its a National Event showcasing our sport, not a practice day or club day, its a piss poor effort to leave this club stranded which looks like YOUVE DONE.

cheers Worms, how many evo , pre85, pre 90 riders alone in NSW?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: 3858 on April 09, 2013, 09:31:41 AM
for what its worth, I think it comes down to a traditionally non VMX club, ( stand corrected ) throwing their hand up for the movement and not having that full inter club support of VMXers to run with it, good on them for having a go, but what about the piss poor effort of the local VMX clubs, all the hard work is being done for you guys, just turn up and ride, its a National Event showcasing our sport, not a practice day or club day, I hope you never get it again as its a piss poor effort to leave this club stranded which looks like YOUVE DONE.

cheers Worms, how many evo , pre85, pre 90 riders alone in NSW?

Not sure how you arrive at it being the Clubs like Heaven and Northern being at fault.....  "sometimes when you shoot from the hip you shoot yourself in the foot"

I was at the Glenbawn round and we had the Heaven people pleading us to have the event supported and I know all the Northern guys have been passionate about us supporting it as well.

I think you needed to aim at the guy's that happily ride the club rounds but bawk ... for no logical reason.. at the events like MrVMX and this Title event...  Their right not to ride but it it is in the best interests of the sport so I for one feel obligated to enter ......
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: popeye on April 09, 2013, 09:43:07 AM
Just keep the entries flowing in and then no need to bitch about anyone or anything, I just feel for the Lakes club that put the ground work in for us to have this event and it as yet hasn't got the support it deserves....
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on April 09, 2013, 09:44:35 AM
Quote
I've entered so I should be entitled to have a say, Firstly a big thankyou to the organising club for putting in the effort to give us the opertunity to have the privelage to compete in a national event. i don't race very often due to time and financial reasons but I try to do at least one event a year with a couple of local club days prior as practice, if a major VMX or VDT event is within my reach I'll do my damnest to be there. I had to borrow money and not ride my bike to save the rings just so I could have a go at this one. I don't expect to win but just to enjoy the experience and say I competed at a national level in the sport i am passionate about will do me. I am still confident there will be a flood of entries this week.
Firekwaka's post kind of makes most of the other lame excuses seem......errr, lame. I know of a couple of forum regulars who aren't doing well financially due to the economic downturn but their love of the sport and their will to see the event succeed has seen them "rob Peter to pay Paul" to be able to afford the journey and entry.  
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: VMX247 on April 09, 2013, 09:47:56 AM
I was at the Glenbawn round and we had the Heaven people pleading us to have the event supported and I know all the Northern guys have been passionate about us supporting it as well.

Good Job. 8)  8)  8) Deja Vu,was just discussing this last night in our household  :)
cheers us2 WA
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 09, 2013, 09:54:09 AM

I was at the Glenbawn round and we had the Heaven people pleading us to have the event supported and I know all the Northern guys have been passionate about us supporting it as well.

So where are all their entries then? It's in their backyard.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on April 09, 2013, 09:57:18 AM
I've got a feeling in my water that the needed 80+ entries might just materialise and the Nats go on to be a great event. That's my hope anyway.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Scunge on April 09, 2013, 10:14:44 AM
This may have already been covered but if not....

I am just your average vmxer: couple of bikes, attend ride days and most of my local vmx clubs races.

I have always thought that the nationals/mr vmx were really just for the best riders in vmx nationally and that an average/bunny like me would get in the way and hence I should stay away.

I wonder if a lot of average vmxers have the same impression and hence don't bother with nationals/ Mr Vmx?

Maybe one way to help change this impression is make the nationals one of the rounds of the states vmx club, I.e make it round one of viper when it is held in Victoria. Or maybe  promote the fact that it is not just for the guns?

Btw - I am not trying to take pot shots at anyone here, rather I am just trying to offer constructive ideas to help improve.





Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: whitey 43 on April 09, 2013, 10:27:16 AM
This may have already been covered but if not....

I am just your average vmxer: couple of bikes, attend ride days and most of my local vmx clubs races.

I have always thought that the nationals/mr vmx were really just for the best riders in vmx nationally and that an average/bunny like me would get in the way and hence I should stay away.

I wonder if a lot of average vmxers have the same impression and hence don't bother with nationals/ Mr Vmx?

Maybe one way to help change this impression is make the nationals one of the rounds of the states vmx club, I.e make it round one of viper when it is held in Victoria. Or maybe  promote the fact that it is not just for the guns?


Btw - I am not trying to take pot shots at anyone here, rather I am just trying to offer constructive ideas to help improve.






Prize money (if any) would be split evenly between all riders that start the first heat of racing (minimum 1 lap)...And you wouldnt get in the way-The better riders will just go around you.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: popeye on April 09, 2013, 10:28:42 AM
We now have 7 sidecars going to the event so here's hoping it all goes ahead, keep them entries rolling in... : :)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: worms on April 09, 2013, 12:12:02 PM
to run the Nationals is not easy, understatement, and for the lakes to want to do it for the VMX fraternity is amazing, but its got to be said that 80% of your fields have to be your locals, so why have the locals let down the lakes club?

I don't think that's shooting myself in the foot, that's straight to the point, the locals are the basis of the event and all the other Mexicans are a bonus.

Cheers Worms
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Davey Crocket on April 09, 2013, 12:21:37 PM
100% correct Trev.....where are the locals?......Thats why they cant win the State of Origin either. ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on April 09, 2013, 12:49:19 PM
So now the finger pointing starts. ::)

The idea of longer races has a few big positives.
1) It is a true representation of Motocross and given the bikes at the Post Classic National are all of the long travel ERAs it seems much more reasonable to have longer races.
2) It is much less likely that a few riders will dominate and if they do then winning 3 x 15+1 motos in multiple classes truely indicates that they are very very worthy Champions. Luck will play a much smaller part in the outcome.
3) Bike preparation, rider fitness, race strategy and rider ability become the measure instead of who has the best bike or who gets the holeshot.

The local club should dominate entries theory. I have not seen the entry list but from my discussions the current low entry break up is along your 70-80% local entries as suggested. The problem is the low entries overall not where they come from.

The 'GUN' rider theory. This is a National Title FFS. I would like nothing better than to see the top 10 current MXers fighting out the Pre90 500 Title what a fantastic sight to see the bikes ridden like they were in the day. Look at Historic Road Racing. Massive grids at the Island Classic and National Titles with many many 'ring in' riders from current top level inter-nationals.

"GUN" riders have always been a part of MX no one complained in the 70's when a certain short Suzuki Factory rider came and cleaned up 3 of the 4 National Titles on his 125. No one said effing Suzuki bringin in a GUN. We all watched in amazment to see what could be done.

If this thing falls over for want of entries I will have a lot of difficulty looking the Lakes Club guys in the eye as I was involved in getting them involved. At this point we need positive input to get the entries in not trying to point the finger of blame that will just result in the Post Classic Titles disappearing up it's own 'A" for years to come. I have probably said too much
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: whitey 43 on April 09, 2013, 12:55:03 PM
Yep! Exactly what Montynut said!!!
I hope the meeting is awesome!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: worms on April 09, 2013, 01:06:35 PM
guys< I'm very happy to be corrected, but this is a forum for open debate. you wont problem solve anything unless you debate it.

Cheers Worms
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: foxy999 on April 09, 2013, 01:42:37 PM
Sorry guys unable to get more leave as most of it is already committed to our local events.hope it still goes ahead.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: popeye on April 09, 2013, 02:31:30 PM
So far the sidecars are the only class with the numbers for a championship event, next is 6 in EVO Open...

COME ON  ???  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Graham on April 09, 2013, 04:00:58 PM
OK, I dont have a EVO bike at the mom, TT is now sold, but I do have my pre 75 250,to make numbers up can I race it in the evo 250 class or is this going to be called riding up and not allowed.


PS:  WORMS you seem very vocal you going to be there ?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: lama on April 09, 2013, 04:15:01 PM
im riding a EML at the titles ,i can.t really afford to do it with work being slack but the kids are just going to have to eat grass for the next three weeks problem solved, lets get this thing going (see you on the start line) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: supersenior 50 on April 09, 2013, 04:44:04 PM
Yes would like a confirmation on Graham's question re riding up. Basically any bike prior to about 1980 complies with Evolution rules.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on April 09, 2013, 04:47:05 PM
I am one of those social riders WASP was referring to - luved going to the Nats to have a ride, catch up with my mates and try and finish higher than I did the previous Nats - even had an Inter state thing going with Freaky and Fatboy.  However to be honest the move to the longer races and a more representative approach of what it used to be has made me stop and think that maybe HBBB or CD are my things - hence - the change doesn't suit me so one less entry - and maybe there are a few more like that.  Not for argument - everyone has an opinion and Lakes have moved on what general consensus was and lets hope the vocal numbers are enough to support the concept?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: STW996 on April 09, 2013, 05:32:22 PM
Graham, I think Trev is looking at it from a previous promoter point of view as he was for the QVMX in 09 (so can speak from experience). He is like a lot of us small business owners and struggling to make it from one day to the next with work at present and need to be there pretty much 24/7. I would love to attend but the 4 days off at present would be a killer.

Firko, when you are robbing Peter to pay Paul just to keep your men employed it leaves little cash left over over for other interests (I can asure you of that!)

As for the format I can see where you are coming from with the 15 + lap racing but if it was back to 10+ lap maybe it could have been a 2 day event (For me travel down Friday arvo/night and back to work late Monday). At the end of the day it is what it is and good on you for putting yourself out there and staging this worth while event.

Shane
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: worms on April 09, 2013, 05:44:11 PM
No Graham I'm not at this point, as everyone knows Ive not raced for nearly 18 months, i ve done the classic and thats all. Due to the illness and passing of my good friend Lloyd, Worms Racing memmber, it's been very hard to race. in saying this I'll be back at Coles Creek this weekend as a start and have been thinking of the Nationals.

so as I've said, it's a debate that needs to be had for the sport, how do we do it better and easier for the clubs and take the stress out of it.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: SON on April 09, 2013, 05:50:39 PM
So now the finger pointing starts. ::)

The idea of longer races has a few big positives.
1) It is a true representation of Motocross and given the bikes at the Post Classic National are all of the long travel ERAs it seems much more reasonable to have longer races.
2) It is much less likely that a few riders will dominate and if they do then winning 3 x 15+1 motos in multiple classes truely indicates that they are very very worthy Champions. Luck will play a much smaller part in the outcome.
3) Bike preparation, rider fitness, race strategy and rider ability become the measure instead of who has the best bike or who gets the holeshot.

The local club should dominate entries theory. I have not seen the entry list but from my discussions the current low entry break up is along your 70-80% local entries as suggested. The problem is the low entries overall not where they come from.

The 'GUN' rider theory. This is a National Title FFS. I would like nothing better than to see the top 10 current MXers fighting out the Pre90 500 Title what a fantastic sight to see the bikes ridden like they were in the day. Look at Historic Road Racing. Massive grids at the Island Classic and National Titles with many many 'ring in' riders from current top level inter-nationals.

"GUN" riders have always been a part of MX no one complained in the 70's when a certain short Suzuki Factory rider came and cleaned up 3 of the 4 National Titles on his 125. No one said effing Suzuki bringin in a GUN. We all watched in amazment to see what could be done.

If this thing falls over for want of entries I will have a lot of difficulty looking the Lakes Club guys in the eye as I was involved in getting them involved. At this point we need positive input to get the entries in not trying to point the finger of blame that will just result in the Post Classic Titles disappearing up it's own 'A" for years to come. I have probably said too much
So I invited former Lakes Juniors Danny Ham and Craig Anderson to ride,
Is that OK? Or am I buying Trophies?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: vandy010 on April 09, 2013, 06:02:47 PM
Everyone would love to see Hammy and Ando racing old bikes.
Get em if you can
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: popeye on April 09, 2013, 06:29:35 PM
Graham you can have my EVO if you like. Ring me if your keen.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Hardo on April 09, 2013, 06:39:14 PM
As of an hour ago my entry is in....   :)   oh and I am from NSW just for you nay-sayers....  :P

Get 'em in guys and lets get it happening !!

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: mick25 on April 09, 2013, 07:08:18 PM
As of an hour ago my entry is in....   :)   oh and I am from NSW just for you nay-sayers....  :P

Get 'em in guys and lets get it happening !!


onya green man ;)
I Hope we get more entrys rolling in over the week , so this event gos off ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Ando on April 09, 2013, 07:34:42 PM
As of an hour ago my entry is in....   :)   oh and I am from NSW just for you nay-sayers....  :P

Get 'em in guys and lets get it happening !!



Same here Hardo! Mine is ready for tomorrows mail, as it was always going to be! As Montynut says I will be late for my own funeral  ;) I have spoken to a few people that are waiting to see weather it is going to happen before they put there entry in! I have told them to get it in the post tomorrow! I'm confident the numbers will pour in!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: mick25 on April 09, 2013, 08:03:47 PM
Lets make it a NSW invasion at lakes  8) take on the pineapple and mekiko boys :P
I was talking to pepe the frenchmen at glenbrawn he was keen for this event aswell so all fingers crossed he puts his hand up.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Noel on April 09, 2013, 08:09:13 PM
Quote
" I have spoken to a few people that are waiting to see weather it is going to happen before they put there entry in!"

this just does not make sense to me?
waiting to see if it will happen and then put in a late entry    WTF

I hope it goes ahead and these people are refused a late entry

Noel
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: popeye on April 09, 2013, 08:11:45 PM
Here here Noel....
Then they'll  bitch they couldn't ride .
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: mick25 on April 09, 2013, 08:25:29 PM
 I herd over the weekend matt boyd from the central coast who does bike tests for ADB is riding one of my mates bikes and is going to enter this week.
so some maybe just leaving it till the last minute it seems .
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Noel on April 09, 2013, 08:52:27 PM
4. Entries
4.1 Entries are now open and close last mail 12th April 2013 (3 weeks prior to event)

I would not expect an enrty posted on friday to get there on time ::)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Graham on April 09, 2013, 09:33:37 PM
Graham you can have my EVO if you like. Ring me if your keen.



hope you've tighted the cam chain and adjusted the valves popeye ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: popeye on April 10, 2013, 06:28:28 AM
Yeah all done ready to go mate..

Bike hasn't been ridden since Conodale Classic...
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Slakewell on April 10, 2013, 07:41:17 AM
4. Entries
4.1 Entries are now open and close last mail 12th April 2013 (3 weeks prior to event)

I would not expect an enrty posted on friday to get there on time ::)

Can they not be Emailed?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on April 10, 2013, 10:27:32 AM
My message to the guys who could ride but are undecided or have chosen not to...

When I first heard that the Lakes club had put their hand up to run this event on one of the best Motocross race tracks we ride on I was blown away. After the disappointment of last year, I thought how lucky we were to have the opportunity to participate in a National Event like this in our own back yard, on such a great track, run by such a switched on club.

I personally thought I had better get my entry in early as I feared my favourite class, the EVO 250 would be oversubscribed and I didn't want to miss out.

Initially puzzled when I heard that the entries weren't coming in, after reading this thread and speaking with a few guys last weekend, I am now getting a sense of why some riders are undecided or choosing not to ride.

My message to those riders/racers is this,

Most of us were lucky enough to have lived through the 70s & 80s of dirt bike racing / riding in Australia. Those who didn’t ride back then but do now probably wish they had ridden back then. The VMX movement has given us a chance to experience the adrenaline rush and freedom of going hard on our favourite dirt bike once again. To feel those butterflys as you line up for the start, that sense of satisfaction when you have ridden a good race, had a bit of a dog fight with a mate and crossed the line ready to race again. I would be surprised if there were any of us who didn't smile to themselves despite the pain of stiff muscles on the Monday and Tuesday afterwards when they thought back on that great pass they made in one race or the fact they finally beat ‘that guy’ in the next  race.

I know some guys are thinking “it’s a national event, it’s not for me, it’s only for the fast guys” That is the point though, are you ever going to get a chance to race an AUSTRALIAN NATIONAL TITLE again? Because it is VMX you would be racing with most of the guys you race with in your club days anyway. Sure, there will be a handful of ringin fast guys who will disappear off into that dust after the start, but after that, you’ll be left racing in a NATIONAL TITLE on a fantastic track, with your mates!

Isn’t that something you would like to tick off your bucket list? Wouldn’t that be a great memory to add to your arsenal?

If you are worried about the length of the races, we all are! All of us, except for the 2 or 3 super fit guys will be slowing down as the races go on, I guarantee it. You will not be on your own, and if you get lucky as many often do in the authentic longer format Motocross races, you’ll benefit from some guys in front of you running out of puff, their bike breaking or an unplanned expedition off the track.

Rather than avoiding the longer races, or being spooked by the ‘Fast Guy’s, maybe another way to approach it is proudly tell your family and friends “I’m racing an AUSTRALIAN NATIONAL TITLE next month, train your ass off for the next 4 weeks and put in your best. Invite them along to cheer you on.

Memories of the Great experiences we have all had are the reward of getting off our back sides and getting involved in life. This meeting has the potential of being one of those experiences.

DON”T MISS OUT!!! Don’t be one of those guys who come up to me and say “I probably should have ridden it but I don’t know, I didn’t think it was for me”

Mr VMX is a fantastic event, a chance to get a taste of what it was like for Gally and Gunter back in the day and one of the funnest race meetings on the calendar. I know some guys don’t race that race for the same reason but I can guarantee you that the guys who do race it, rave about how much fun they had.

Most of us are past our prime, but many of us refuse to let that stop us from grabbing with both hands opportunities to still get the most enjoyment out of life.

If you fill out your entry form today, you can still RACE AN AUSTRALIAN NATIONAL TITLE!

What a privilege!


(If the tone of this message has come across in any way other than to take a positive approach to this fantastic opportunity then I apologize. It certainly wasn't meant to.)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Sorelegs11 on April 10, 2013, 10:59:38 AM
Well due to injury I can not compete in this event, however I will be lending my bike to a "Young Gun" to have a lash, sorry fellas. ;)

I forgot to mention that he is 37.  ;D :D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Shaun G on April 10, 2013, 11:15:47 AM

[/quote]

Can they not be Emailed?
[/quote]

The Supp Regs contain an email address for the Race Secretary.

maree.kirby@hotmail.com

Cheers
Shaun
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Dan-166 on April 10, 2013, 11:24:04 AM
Or email your entry  to Darren:
 df.fitzy@yahoo.com.au

It's not too late yet! Get your entry in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on April 10, 2013, 11:27:12 AM
Quote
My message to the guys who could ride but are undecided or have chosen not to... etc, etc, etc
What a great post Ken, you couldn't have said it any better.............As Nike says in their ads, Just do it.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Ando on April 10, 2013, 02:07:24 PM
My message to the guys who could ride but are undecided or have chosen not to...

When I first heard that the Lakes club had put their hand up to run this event on one of the best Motocross race tracks we ride on I was blown away. After the disappointment of last year, I thought how lucky we were to have the opportunity to participate in a National Event like this in our own back yard, on such a great track, run by such a switched on club.

I personally thought I had better get my entry in early as I feared my favourite class, the EVO 250 would be oversubscribed and I didn't want to miss out.

Initially puzzled when I heard that the entries weren't coming in, after reading this thread and speaking with a few guys last weekend, I am now getting a sense of why some riders are undecided or choosing not to ride.

My message to those riders/racers is this,

Most of us were lucky enough to have lived through the 70s & 80s of dirt bike racing / riding in Australia. Those who didn’t ride back then but do now probably wish they had ridden back then. The VMX movement has given us a chance to experience the adrenaline rush and freedom of going hard on our favourite dirt bike once again. To feel those butterflys as you line up for the start, that sense of satisfaction when you have ridden a good race, had a bit of a dog fight with a mate and crossed the line ready to race again. I would be surprised if there were any of us who didn't smile to themselves despite the pain of stiff muscles on the Monday and Tuesday afterwards when they thought back on that great pass they made in one race or the fact they finally beat ‘that guy’ in the next  race.

I know some guys are thinking “it’s a national event, it’s not for me, it’s only for the fast guys” That is the point though, are you ever going to get a chance to race an AUSTRALIAN NATIONAL TITLE again? Because it is VMX you would be racing with most of the guys you race with in your club days anyway. Sure, there will be a handful of ringin fast guys who will disappear off into that dust after the start, but after that, you’ll be left racing in a NATIONAL TITLE on a fantastic track, with your mates!

Isn’t that something you would like to tick off your bucket list? Wouldn’t that be a great memory to add to your arsenal?

If you are worried about the length of the races, we all are! All of us, except for the 2 or 3 super fit guys will be slowing down as the races go on, I guarantee it. You will not be on your own, and if you get lucky as many often do in the authentic longer format Motocross races, you’ll benefit from some guys in front of you running out of puff, their bike breaking or an unplanned expedition off the track.

Rather than avoiding the longer races, or being spooked by the ‘Fast Guy’s, maybe another way to approach it is proudly tell your family and friends “I’m racing an AUSTRALIAN NATIONAL TITLE next month, train your ass off for the next 4 weeks and put in your best. Invite them along to cheer you on.

Memories of the Great experiences we have all had are the reward of getting off our back sides and getting involved in life. This meeting has the potential of being one of those experiences.

DON”T MISS OUT!!! Don’t be one of those guys who come up to me and say “I probably should have ridden it but I don’t know, I didn’t think it was for me”

Mr VMX is a fantastic event, a chance to get a taste of what it was like for Gally and Gunter back in the day and one of the funnest race meetings on the calendar. I know some guys don’t race that race for the same reason but I can guarantee you that the guys who do race it, rave about how much fun they had.

Most of us are past our prime, but many of us refuse to let that stop us from grabbing with both hands opportunities to still get the most enjoyment out of life.

If you fill out your entry form today, you can still RACE AN AUSTRALIAN NATIONAL TITLE!

What a privilege!


(If the tone of this message has come across in any way other than to take a positive approach to this fantastic opportunity then I apologize. It certainly wasn't meant to.)



Very well said Kenneth! I got mine off this morning. "Guaranteed next day delivery". Mine will arrive tomorrow a day earlier than the cut off. I spoke to a couple of people from the LMMC today & they said they will not be excepting "ENTRYS FORMS" after Fridays mail. "IF YOU WANT TO ENTER YOU WILL HAVE TO EXPRESS POST YOUR FORMS WITH PAYMENT NO LATER THAN TOMORROW"

Cheers
Ando   
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on April 10, 2013, 05:23:20 PM
This...
... I spoke to a couple of people from the LMMC today & they said they will not be excepting "ENTRYS FORMS" after Fridays mail. "IF YOU WANT TO ENTER YOU WILL HAVE TO EXPRESS POST YOUR FORMS WITH PAYMENT NO LATER THAN TOMORROW"
 

...plus this....

we have made 120 entries our minimum requirement to go ahead with this meeting

...makes me wonder if the Lakes club is now actually wanting the event to fall over.

Cynical?
Yes, but surely the vibe should be much more: "Come on! Get your entries in! If you want to enter but you can't get them here by Friday, give us a call and we'll see what we can work out"...?

[My entry with payment sent Express Post today]

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: TM BILL on April 10, 2013, 05:26:21 PM
This...
... I spoke to a couple of people from the LMMC today & they said they will not be excepting "ENTRYS FORMS" after Fridays mail. "IF YOU WANT TO ENTER YOU WILL HAVE TO EXPRESS POST YOUR FORMS WITH PAYMENT NO LATER THAN TOMORROW"
 

...plus this....

we have made 120 entries our minimum requirement to go ahead with this meeting

...makes me wonder if the Lakes club is now actually wanting the event to fall over.

Cynical?
Yes, but surely the vibe should be much more: "Come on! Get your entries in! If you want to enter but you can't get them here by Friday, give us a call and we'll see what we can work out"...?

[My entry with payment sent Express Post today]



What are you riding Nath ?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on April 10, 2013, 05:28:05 PM
Evo 250 (YZ250G), Pre-85 250 (CR250RE), and Pre-90 125 (KX125F).

The CR still needs a fair bit of time spent on it - but if it doesn't make it, it won't be for lack of trying.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: John Orchard on April 10, 2013, 05:50:29 PM
Ok, my knee & hip have not healed-up yet but I'm going to enter tomorrow in the hope that I'll be ok.

Just printed-off the sup-regs, it shows practise is only on Friday and none on Sat?!  I read earlier in this thread that practise was Sat morning?  I will have to drive up on Friday and wouldn't like to have to race with no practise.  I know, here'll be some smart-arse here that'll say "it's a National title, you can take an extra day off for that" ..... no I can't, and I can't afford the extra days accommodation.

I read in the sup-regs that there is practise on Sunday morning!!!  Why would you need practise then?!!!!  (EDIT, sorry I miss-read this, I must wear my glasses when reading in future)  Maybe a quick 2-lap warm-up in the mornings?

Can someone please confirm, thankyou.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Slakewell on April 10, 2013, 05:54:25 PM
I dont want to start a pissing match on here.

I have previously help run many state NSW Cross Country rounds over the years. A few times when the ball was dropped and we did not promote it correctly we were borderline with entries and it was a close call at the last moment to go ahead or not. On these occasions I pushed to run the event and take late entries but charge an extra fee( normally $50.00 )  I think one time we even took entries on the day. On these occasions we pick upped an extra 50+ entries with the extra late fee making us a tidy profit. In business sometimes you have to suck it up and give the customer want he wants. If we had taken the high road and refused late entries we would have run at a small loss or canned the event which already had allot of effort gone into it.
Just some thoughts if the Lakes Club read this.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on April 10, 2013, 06:04:14 PM
Ok, my knee & hip have not healed-up yet but I'm going to enter tomorrow in the hope that I'll be ok.

Just printed-off the sup-regs, it shows practise is only on Friday and none on Sat?!  I read earlier in this thread that practise was Sat morning?  I will have to drive up on Friday and wouldn't like to have to race with no practise.  I know, here'll be some smart-arse here that'll say "it's a National title, you can take an extra day off for that" ..... no I can't, and I can't afford the extra days accommodation.

I read in the sup-regs that there is practise on Sunday morning!!!  Why would you need practise then?!!!!  Maybe a quick 2-lap warm-up in the mornings?

Can someone please confirm, thankyou.

That is great work John. I don't know for sure the answer to your question but if I can assist you in any way while you are up here, please don't hesitate to ask and I'll do what I can, even if it is walking the track with you to help you learn the track.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 10, 2013, 06:23:30 PM
Ok, my knee & hip have not healed-up yet but I'm going to enter tomorrow in the hope that I'll be ok.

Just printed-off the sup-regs, it shows practise is only on Friday and none on Sat?!  I read earlier in this thread that practise was Sat morning?  I will have to drive up on Friday and wouldn't like to have to race with no practise.  I know, here'll be some smart-arse here that'll say "it's a National title, you can take an extra day off for that" ..... no I can't, and I can't afford the extra days accommodation.

I read in the sup-regs that there is practise on Sunday morning!!!  Why would you need practise then?!!!!  Maybe a quick 2-lap warm-up in the mornings?

Can someone please confirm, thankyou.
Good effort mate. Coming from Qld I too was wondering about practice sat morning or whether i need to leave a day earlier to make it for practice friday.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: VMX247 on April 10, 2013, 06:30:18 PM

I read in the sup-regs that there is practise on Sunday morning!!!  Why would you need practise then?!!!!

When involved in these events,they are just a sight lap after Saturday evening track prep's .
Hopefully Lakes will be on later to confirm.
Good luck trouper  ;D
cheers

Hows this  ;D
http://www.nbnnews.com.au/index.php/2013/04/09/motocross-sidecars-roar-back-to-life-at-lake-macquarie/
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Hardo on April 10, 2013, 08:00:46 PM
While I think your comments are a little harsh Nath - I will say that I emailed the Event Secretary a few days ago regarding the National Licences etc and still am yet to receive any reply whatsoever.
I even resent it yesterday to both email addresses listed.

Still nothing back. I entered anyway .... Does anyone actually know what the "Prescribed Application Form" is?

I am not starting any crap here, however I would have thought they would be all over it and send a timely response back..... ?   :-\

Hopefully there's a good reason for it, and the event goes off !!   ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Curly3 on April 10, 2013, 08:11:43 PM
Communication, communication, communication.
I'm not entered because I aint an MX'er but one of the best OZ Classic DT titles in recent years was in Griffith 3 years ago.
They pushed it and promoted it at every possible opportunity.
In todays crowded life that's the secret and that's not a critisism of anyone.
I really hope we're raving about this event in a month's time.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: foxy999 on April 10, 2013, 08:12:16 PM
Side car action looked good,  who where the riders and the swinger ! ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: mick25 on April 10, 2013, 08:14:21 PM
I rang the secretary about four weeks ago about the one event licence, because it said it had to be done 21 days before the cut off.
she told me to go onto the ma site or lakes site to print off the one event licence form,  but theres no stuff thing on these two sites.

So I rang her again and said theres nothing on these two sites , she said we will do the one event licence on the day just send the $77.00 with the other costs.
and put down you need a one event licence.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 10, 2013, 08:24:09 PM
13. RACE FORMAT
Friday 3rd – Riders Breifing, Scrutineering and Practice; 20minute sessions 1pm – 4pm
Saturday 4th – Riders Breifing and Welcome followed by 2 rounds of racing;
15mins plus 1 lap championship classes, 5 laps age racing
Sunday 5th – Riders Breifing and 1 round of racing and presentation
Practice will be 8 x 20 minute sessions (total, 2 per class) Friday only (no practice Saturday)
Racing will be 15 minutes plus one lap for Championship classes and 5 laps for Age racing*
*If the Lake Macquarie Motor Bike Club deems that the meeting is running behind schedule, the
races may be changed after consultation with the MA Steward without further notice.
14. EVENT SCHEDULE
Friday: 3
rd May 2013
Gates Open – 7.00am
Scrutineering – Friday 8.30am-12.30pm Saturday 6.30-7.30am (if required)
Riders Briefing – Friday 12.30pm, Saturday 7.30 am and Sunday 8.30am
Practice after briefing Friday Only
Late Arrivals may be considered at discretion of Clerk of the Course.
Racing commences at approx 8.30am Saturday and at 9.00am Sunday.

where does it say practice Sunday

as far as the event goes, it is an Australian title
25 championship classes & not 1 yet elegible for championship status (10 in a class)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: popeye on April 10, 2013, 08:25:45 PM
Steve Baker- Daniel don't no his last name.

Myself and Steve swinging for me..

We also had a young bloke Liam have ago at both swinging and steering and he loved it....
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 10, 2013, 09:14:40 PM
as far as the event goes, it is an Australian title
25 championship classes & not 1 yet elegible for championship status (10 in a class)
Lets hope the entries roll in over the next 2 days, i know of a few people who sent their entries today, myself included.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: maico police on April 10, 2013, 09:15:53 PM
This...
... I spoke to a couple of people from the LMMC today & they said they will not be excepting "ENTRYS FORMS" after Fridays mail. "IF YOU WANT TO ENTER YOU WILL HAVE TO EXPRESS POST YOUR FORMS WITH PAYMENT NO LATER THAN TOMORROW"
 

...plus this....

we have made 120 entries our minimum requirement to go ahead with this meeting

...makes me wonder if the Lakes club is now actually wanting the event to fall over.

Cynical?
Yes, but surely the vibe should be much more: "Come on! Get your entries in! If you want to enter but you can't get them here by Friday, give us a call and we'll see what we can work out"...?

[My entry with payment sent Express Post today]



You're unbelievable mate.

Now you're saying it's the clubs fault because you (and a lot of other people) don't have the common courtesy, to put an entry form in with some punctuality!

I for one wouldn't blame them for pulling the pin. This is a disgrace! ???
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Hardo on April 10, 2013, 09:29:36 PM
Geez...  thats a little unfair Mont.

My work can have me deployed with a days notice - so I DELIBERATELY only ever enter events as late as I can.

I am sure many others have similar stories / personal reasons as well.
If entries end this weekend, then why does it matter if they are received this Friday? Isnt that on time?  ???
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: gt96 on April 10, 2013, 09:36:12 PM
The pin is literally about to be pulled.
Please consider that Lakes volunteers also have work commitments and the current entries are barely enough to justify a single class.
If you have been holding out till the last minute to enter, you may be contributing to this event's demise.
Apologies if this post appears harsh, but this Post Classic Championship survival is on the line.
GT
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Hardo on April 10, 2013, 09:45:53 PM

If you have been holding out till the last minute to enter, you may be contributing to this event's demise.
GT


GT - Thats ridiculous to suggest.
How on earth can entrants that actually ENTER ON TIME contribute to its demise.... ?
That is complete nonsense.

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on April 10, 2013, 09:57:41 PM
The present entries mean that not even one class has reached Championship status :o
EVO250 - highest with 9
EVO >263 & Pre85 250 have 8
The rest are between 0 and 4

Late entries in a well organised event should never be relied upon to make the meeting possible they are just a genuine pain for organisers. Late entries are for the VERY  VERY few riders that want to put in an entry at the last minute and it happens to fit in with what the organisers have decided. It is not just a service for slack entrants.

If entries reach a sustainable level before COB on Friday late entries may be OK but no one with any real appreciation of the costs and work involved should expect any Club to continue pouring money into the event if they have 40-50 entries on Friday with the "PLAN" that no worries we will get 60 -70 late entries, no worries, and make a killing on the late fee.  >:( ::)

The discussion seems to be heading towards blaming the Lakes Club. This is just the biggest load of crap I have seen posted on the forum ever The blame if the meeting does fold rests completely and solely with the EVO, Pre85 & Pre90 riders who have not supported a great chance to establish the Post Classic Nationals. No ifs, buts or maybe

It is now less than 48hrs until entries close for the Nationals and we have people saying they are just now considering their options and thinking about a licence. WTF. Presently there are 40 entries total spread over 28 classes with no class making Championship status what do you want the organisers to do take entries on the day and look a massive financial blow in the face. The Lakes Club is not particularly worried about the money but they cannot run a meeting without riders. All those worried about an extra day off work look like they will be able to show up Sunday morning and run one ‘all in’ race and then we just hand trophies out as you finish. The remaining trophies can be sold on ebay :P

This is turning into an embarrassment for our sport. Am I pissed by this YES I honestly thought that EVO 250 and Pre85 250 would be oversubscribed? I actually discussed with the Lakes Club how we would handle that situation don’t I look a bit silly now.

Get your entry in now don’t start posting crap about what could have, should have, would have been on Sunday morning
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: popeye on April 11, 2013, 06:09:58 AM
Daniel Koeplli, thanks for that Walter, mate don't no about clearance I imagine would all be good.

Long way to go with the entries keep em coming.

Got my time off booked in cant change it now.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: gdr on April 11, 2013, 06:21:19 AM
I carn"t believe only 40 entries .
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Slakewell on April 11, 2013, 06:57:20 AM
Only 40  ???
Wow that is truly sad the locals should have made up at least 70. Even with late entries you need at least 100 by close of business Friday.
I like most dont understand the lack of interest in this event.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: 3858 on April 11, 2013, 07:14:30 AM
I know of 6 pre90 entries alone and my social circle is pretty small.? 


I became instantly  nervous that there might be a mail issue.....  should we have had a confirmation from Lakes from our entry?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Dan-166 on April 11, 2013, 07:18:35 AM
Curious as to how you come up with that number (70)?

Why should it be "up to the locals" when this event is supposed to be the premier race event on the VMX calendar for VMX enthusiasts right accross Australia? This is an Australian Title (well hopefully it will be anyway).

If this event falls on it's face due to lack of numbers, then it is certainly not the Lakes Club fault ( who was the only club willing to put it's hand up to run the event).The blame rest squarley with the VMX community right across Australia, not just one portion of it.
Lakes is a modern club who gets 200-250 riders to a club day. We as a VMX community should be very grateful that the club has been willing to put their hands up to run this event, when no one else would. It is an awesome track with great facilities and a great bunch of hard working people that run the club ( not to mention how central it is for the eastern states of the country) who can never do enough to make the HEAVEN club welcome when we hold an event there.

If the event fails this year (again), what club will be willing to put their hand up to try and run it again??????????
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Slakewell on April 11, 2013, 07:48:43 AM
70
Any large event the biggest proportion will be people who live within 2 hours or 75% or participants. How many entries did the 1st heaven round have?

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Dan-166 on April 11, 2013, 07:56:35 AM
Somewhere between 80 to 85 . Greg would be able to correct me on that though.

Not all HEAVEN members ride both era's though,  so that reduces the available numbers and there are also those guys in the club that would never race in an Aussie title, no matter where it is.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: 3858 on April 11, 2013, 07:58:42 AM
Chq written 13/3/2013 and not presented?


Mailed to PO BOX 8191?   Might give them a ring?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Dan-166 on April 11, 2013, 08:11:22 AM
They haven't cashed any cheques as yet.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Slakewell on April 11, 2013, 08:19:07 AM
Somewhere between 80 to 85 . Greg would be able to correct me on that though.

Not all HEAVEN members ride both era's though,  so that reduces the available numbers and there are also those guys in the club that would never race in an Aussie title, no matter where it is.


I agree the main reason I haven't entered is my bikes are 77 models but I would race just to make up numbers if I had known the numbers but like everyone else thou I thought they would get 150+ entries you would still like to think that heaven riders could muster up 40+ riders
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Dan-166 on April 11, 2013, 08:23:40 AM
The event was certainly promoted and talked about at the riders breifing's each morning.

Anyone who hasn't submitted an entry yet and is thinking of doing so, please do. You can still email your entries in so that they are received before the close of entries. We as a VMX community need to make this event work for all our sakes.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on April 11, 2013, 08:28:01 AM
You're unbelievable mate.

Now you're saying it's the clubs fault because you (and a lot of other people) don't have the common courtesy, to put an entry form in with some punctuality!

I for one wouldn't blame them for pulling the pin. This is a disgrace! ???

You have got to be kidding.

Close of entries is close of entries - the club's own rules say that anyone can enter anytime up until tomorrow. I understand why the club is nervous, but having a dig at the people who have entered is more than a bit stupid.

A national level car rally will have entries close a week before the event - not three weeks, despite the rally's greater need to know entrant numbers in advance (event scheduling, printing of road books, etc etc).
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on April 11, 2013, 08:56:21 AM
Not talking specifically about the Lake Club here (and specifically acknowledging Dan's post #435)...

Event organisers need competitors, and competitors need event organisers. It's a two-way street. We are regularly reminded of the value of event organisers, but the opposite is often forgotten...

;)

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 11, 2013, 09:47:10 AM
Hi what you are missing is the SUB REGS were posted in FEBRUARY it is now APRIL and 3 weeks from the event we also have to organise holidays, track maintenance guys who have their own businesses and have to schedule their work around this event. We are not talking about 1 day off work we are talking about a week of holidays so you can all have a bitch at what we are doing for you.
I will stop there before I let fly with the rest of it !!!!!!! ???
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on April 11, 2013, 09:48:16 AM
If this meeting gets canned much of the credibility and respect within the larger off road scene that Vintage Motocross has slowly earned over the last twenty five years goes for nothing. There was a time when competing at the Nats was the highlight of our involvement in VMX and clubs were actually tripping over themselves to get the rights to promote the meet. Maybe with the advent of the Classic Dirt /HBBB culture we've become spoiled for choice. Perhaps there are too many outlets available to eat up our dwindling vintage motocross dollar. Maybe the economy has really dug into our ability to afford the entry and all that goes with it.  Maybe we've lost site of the reason we got involved in this sport in the first place,  or maybe it's a little bit of everything........who knows?

What I do know is that this is a very sad situation that most definitely should not be happening. Let us hope that this situation doesn't spill over to the Classic Motocross and Classic Dirt Track Nats later in the year.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 11, 2013, 10:04:43 AM
This event was one that we were really excited about with the return of MX sidecars and a totally different atmosphere to our normal meetings but so far all we have out of this is disappointment and criticism. We never took this event on to make a "killing " out of we can make more out of our own club days. It was to offer a venue for an Australian Title Event so far I have spent endless hours of my own time to be bagged out by a few. As far as saying the Heaven club should fill 70/80% of entries you are all dreaming half of these guys don't have bikes for these eras and you might as well bag our club for not entering as well. As of last night we have 41 riders to cover 28 classes, you don't have to be real smart to work that out. We might as well just go and buy some raffle tickets and hand them out, then pick a ticket out of a barrel and you can collect your AUSTRALIAN TITLE of choice.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: John Orchard on April 11, 2013, 10:11:19 AM
Hmmm I'm a little disapointed with some peoples attitude here, none of the riders that are thinking about entering want to make it difficult for the club, there are many with good reasons for not entering early, or not entering at all, I think we can all be a little more understanding and give the benefit of the doubt.

Personally I don't care how long the races are, just as long as you can fit them all in on a weekend.  If they are 45 min plus 1 lap, that's cool, my last lap will be a bloody slow one lol.

I also don't care if there are ring-in gun riders, I've had a life of running mid-field and I'm still here  ;-)

I think racing in this country is changing (and in the world for that matter), everyone has so much going on in their life and our sport is made up of enthusiasts that either have family commitments or really don't want to see their 500 hour rebuild trashed on a muddy track.

No one should be pointing any fingers, not at the club and not at the riders, let's just try and learn and make changes accordingly.

Even when I was racing the Australian Roadracing Championships, I hated having to be at an interstate track for Friday practise & qualifying but I was young and wanted to be world champion so I did it, just as all the other young riders did.  Us older guys do not need 3 days, this is our interest, not our deperate desire to be world champion.  I am helping run the Broadford round of the Australian Motocross Champioships this year, it is ONE DAY (May 19), if they can run a round of the Aus Champs in one day surely we can run ours in two?!!

Some of us are finacially secure and some are not, motorsport in this country is not large enough to only cater for the financially strong, part of keeping costs down is keeping the racing to one or two days, also camping, while my Missus wouldn't like us to camp I guess there are many others that may feel the need?

Let us all try and put our heads together to make VMX racing work in this country, it is obvious from the lack of entries for this event that something needs to be done, we adapt or racing is no-more.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Simo63 on April 11, 2013, 10:13:38 AM
Hi what you are missing is the SUB REGS were posted in FEBRUARY it is now APRIL and 3 weeks from the event we also have to organise holidays, track maintenance guys who have their own businesses and have to schedule their work around this event. We are not talking about 1 day off work we are talking about a week of holidays so you can all have a bitch at what we are doing for you.
I will stop there before I let fly with the rest of it !!!!!!! ???

Been watching this thread for a while and wondering what has gone wrong here.

I'm not riding this event simply because I don't ride in these classes nor do I have bikes for these classes but I have to comment that in a couple of your posts you seem really really angry with the members of this forum ???  Maybe I'm wrong but with comments above like "you can all have a bitch" it's hard to see where.  

All of us want this event, your event, to be a roaring success for the good of the VMX sport, that is without doubt but one thing I have noticed when attending local vmx race meetings here is that a surprising amount of people are not members of this forum, or if they are, they don't use it much.  Sure there are some of us that use it daily but many people in the VMX scene don't.

What I am getting at is that I hope you have been using other mediums to contact the rest of the VMX community and convey your thoughts because if you are relying on this forum alone, as good as it is, you won't be reaching everyone you won't be reaching everyone you need to reach.

Don't wish to be an avenue for you to "vent" and don't wish to be "shot" giving you this information.  I wish you all the best of luck with your event.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: whitey 43 on April 11, 2013, 10:15:08 AM
Well I dont know fellas....I wish I could commit to the meeting, but there are a couple of things that may or may not have already been mentioned...
The economy....Have a look around Gentlemen. Things are pretty tough at the moment! I work in the Debt Recovery Business & the amount of people trying to pay debts off & survive (just in my little niche of the industry) is frightening! Spending money on hobbies is not a priority for most people at the moment.
Fuel...How much do you think it would cost to tow 3 bikes, gear & associated needs from Brisbane to the venue in a V6 Commodore?
Time off work...I would assume around 50% of us VMX Nuts would be employed by someone & whilst I cant speak for all, sometimes annual leave is not an option, especially if holidays have already been used.
Personal...I know that a holiday with the family holds more priority than using 2-3 days of annual leave on a sport that most of the family arent interested in. I love this sport 110%, but family will always be top proirity.
I know the diehards will always manage to make it, others will double up & split the costs, but most average VMXers are happy to do their club days, & do "the big ones" when they are close to home. Its not a personal boycott, just the reality of the current economy.
In my humble opinion...
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: John Orchard on April 11, 2013, 10:25:36 AM
There seems a lot of caring riders here, and a good point is that many vmx riders do not frequent this site.

In an effort to make this event work, I suggest the following ...

* Accept entries up to 1 week before.

* Re-schedule the programme into 2 days, presentation's can be done at night or Monday (You can post my trophy to me  ;-) )

* Let's all re-post the entry-form onto as many websites as possible to make the event aware to more riders.

If we all work together rather than complaining we might just pull this off?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: whitey 43 on April 11, 2013, 10:37:14 AM
Good answers, John.

If the entry date is moved, there would be a few more people who may be able to make it, im sure.

Like you, I dont care how many laps it is & the remaining "plastic" that I have is sitting in  milk crates under the house. I dont think I would trouble the lap scorers too much. :D

I would love to line up against Belly, Army (both) or Burt. At least ive done it once... ;D

Its my hope that the promoting club runs an awesome meeting without loosing money & everyone has a great time.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 11, 2013, 11:19:07 AM
We too can run a round of the Australian MX Titles in 1 day as there is only 3 classes to run and not 28 and all these entries are all taken in advance not on the day. The Junior Aussie MX Titles we hosted in 2010 the entries were closed 3 weeks in advance and that event attracted over 750 competitors for 7 days.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 11, 2013, 11:41:21 AM
We too can run a round of the Australian MX Titles in 1 day as there is only 3 classes to run and not 28 and all these entries are all taken in advance not on the day. The Junior Aussie MX Titles we hosted in 2010 the entries were closed 3 weeks in advance and that event attracted over 750 competitors for 7 days.
You can't compare eager young juniors with with parents who are willing to spend their last dime on little Johnny cos they think he's the next Chad Reed to a bunch of old guys well past their use by date who ride for fun and work/funds permitting.
Times are tough.. I've been out of work for 6 weeks but i sold one of my bikes to give me enough money to allow me to enter.
Anyway i understand your situation and it's very dissapointing at the lack of entries..
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on April 11, 2013, 12:15:49 PM
We too can run a round of the Australian MX Titles in 1 day as there is only 3 classes to run and not 28 and all these entries are all taken in advance not on the day. The Junior Aussie MX Titles we hosted in 2010 the entries were closed 3 weeks in advance and that event attracted over 750 competitors for 7 days.

OK, where to start?

1. There was virtually no chance that all classes were going to get up. Right from the start, Pre-90 125 and Evo 125, were virtually assured of being combined with another class. There are two regularly raced pre-90 125s in NSW...

2. The VMX titles are a world apart from the (modern) Nationals or the Junior Nats. The VMX Nats are more like a big club day - there will be no shiny transporters, paid riders, or dozens of wide-eyed hopefuls.
Sure, the top VMX guys are fast and are having a red hot go - but the vast majority of us are there just to be involved and enjoy the sport we love.
If you had any thoughts that it was going to be like a round of the modern Nationals, I can see why you're feeling let down - but is that the fault of the riders?

3. The age races should be for all eras of bikes, not just Evo. By restricting them to Evo, you've cut the potential age-race fields right down.



Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: John Orchard on April 11, 2013, 12:16:28 PM
Sounds like combining classes and double gate-drops are needed.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 11, 2013, 12:18:45 PM
Sounds like combining classes and double gate-drops are needed.
That's what they did last year in QLD..
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on April 11, 2013, 12:40:09 PM
Did you guys miss something ::) ::) There is no need to combine classes or double gate drops.

The grid is 40 at Lakes and there are 41 entries total.

We just have one race for solos and one for the few sidecars :P In the overall scheme of things the sidecar guys have put the solos to shame.

The Lakes club right from the very start knew they would most likely lose money on the Post Classic Nationals if very lucky they would break even. This is a club that could have ran a practice day on 5 May and had 300 riders turn out without a problem with minimal prep on Saturday afternoon and all home with their families at 5pm Sunday. I was so pleased and impressed when the Lakes guys were so keen to get involved. Now I just feel for them.

Everyone is now trying to 'solve' the problem for them when all it really needs / needed was for riders to enter in a timely manner using the Supp regs that have been out for months. I can not see how anyone can fault the Lakes club.

email an entry NOW that is all that is needed then turn up have a great weekend of racing and then sit back ofter the event and have some current stories to tell everyone at CD10
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on April 11, 2013, 12:53:06 PM
Nathan so you are comfortable drawing comparisions between VMX and Rally driving but anyone mentioning other MX meetings are completely off target ::)

Are you sure you are not in the Prime Ministers media gang :P
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 11, 2013, 01:30:53 PM
Nathan please check earlier posts age racing cannot be combined with Evo outrights
As for other age racing please submit your rule changes to MA not us we were only following MA's classes for Championships
We are not finger pointing, just posting the facts, NO RIDERS = NO CLASSES = NO MEETING
I can't put it any simpler. If it is too full on for everyone why run the National Event in the first place
As for comparing it with modern meetings we knew it would not be anywhere near those numbers but the same thing applies entries will close at some stage well before the gates drop
If the meeting falls over I think you all need to look at why this happened  NO RIDERS = NO CLASSES = NO MEETING
Fitzy
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on April 11, 2013, 01:32:21 PM
Nathan so you are comfortable drawing comparisions between VMX and Rally driving but anyone mentioning other MX meetings are completely off target ::)


Not what I said.
The point was that an MX meeting is scheduled on the assumption that every class will run - apart from the financial risk, there's no logistical reason why you couldn't accept entries on the day.
A rally, on the other hand, has a much greater need to know who's entered in advance.

If the rally world can cope with entries closing a week before, I don't understand why an MX needs to close entries a full three weeks before.
Happy to be informed.

In this case, the assumption that all classes would run was clearly very optimistic. Perhaps the programme could have been fitted into just two days with a more pragmatic approach to the classes that were likely to be amalgamated - in turn, perhaps attracting more riders?

I too feel for the Lakes club, and I genuinely appreciate that they've put their hands up to run the event.
However, as a rider who has entered according to the Supp Regs, it's a bit hard to take being told that the it's all my fault that the event is lacking in entries...
When some of that blame comes from someone representing the club, it's particularly difficult to swallow.

I'm sure I'm not the only one to feel this way.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on April 11, 2013, 01:42:39 PM
Quote
However, as a rider who has entered according to the Supp Regs, it's a bit hard to take being told that the it's all my fault that the event is lacking in entries...
It's not riders like you that have entered the event Nathan, it those who can but haven't. I was starting to think that the downturn in the economy was having a bigger influence in why the entries are so low than I'd thought but when I hear that there were two classic road race meetings last weekend that achieved very good entries and that the June 16 meeting at Nepean has a full complement of entries already, the problem has to be more deeply rooted. 
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on April 11, 2013, 01:48:13 PM
Darren,
Why are the age races Evo only? Does MA say "age racing can be for Evo [and pre-75] only"?

If so, then that's something that should have been changed once the Nats were split.

Regardless of why age racing is Evo only, it's basically doomed - seems like a whole lot of time dedicated to events with only a(n even more) limited number of riders.

------

As a seperate question: does the MA permit fee change depending on the number of entries? Or just the status of the event?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 11, 2013, 02:08:33 PM
Nathan the Evo class is the only classes that have age racing as per GCR's 18.2.3
We wanted to run the age racing in the outright classes and were told that can't be done so that is why there is so many classes and never at any stage did we even think we would get full grids but you have to accommodate the worst case scenario. There is 5 age groups in each Evo bike size
MA charge the full amount for the permit regardless of entries and the we have to pay another $22.00 per rider in Levies as well which are all supposed to be paid before the event which refers back to the closing date. If any of you have had any dealings with MA you soon learn you don't pay them till it is definitely going to happen as they are very slow to return your money.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on April 11, 2013, 02:25:34 PM
Hang about....

Are the age races seperate races, or just a seperate pointscore in the 'normal' races?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 11, 2013, 02:28:02 PM
Hang about....

Are the age races seperate races, or just a seperate pointscore in the 'normal' races?
Seperate races.. where have you been Nathan?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 11, 2013, 02:31:16 PM
MA states that they have to be separate races as you cannot have 2 different championships in the same race. This is where you all need to check the rules and classes and approach MA about them we are only following the GCR's.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on April 11, 2013, 02:32:51 PM
Read the MOMS Nathan I'm not getting into another of your famous circular augments. The permit fee (paid before the meeting) is fixed while the rider fee (paid after the meeting) is payable on the number of actual riders.

At this point (as of last night) there are no classes that have reached Championship status! I would guess that there will be 3-5 classes that make the required numbers out of 28. It was never envisaged that all classes would make it to Championship status. With around 30hrs to close of entries to have less than half the number of riders to make it even moderately successful was also never envisaged. It seems inept for people to suggest that the entry numbers could double via late entries. When would be a good time to close the entries? Let’s say one week out at that point the entries are still low so the event doesn’t go how do people deal with booked holidays, accommodation etc etc. It would be unfair on people that have done the right thing and entered before this Friday.

Late entrants are not hero’s that have stepped in to save the day they are the bain of organisers. Some people have actually indicated they are waiting to see if the meet goes before entering while others have actually indicated that they are waiting for a clearer indication of weather forecast. WTF.

What people suggest regarding entry closing, late entries and last minute stuff make it difficult for a club day let alone an Open or National. The Scheduling of VMX meetings with all the classes is far more difficult than something like a National MX round with only 3 classes and very low cross entering.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: VMX247 on April 11, 2013, 02:34:01 PM
MA you soon learn you don't pay them till it is definitely going to happen as they are very slow to return your money.

 ;D  your a knowledgable person  8)

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on April 11, 2013, 02:48:01 PM
Hang about....

Are the age races seperate races, or just a seperate pointscore in the 'normal' races?
Seperate races.. where have you been Nathan?

Living under a rock, apparently.

Taking one era (Evo), and then dividing each capacity class into seperate age classes?! Three Evo capacity classes turn into 18?! Even if each (all ages) capacity class was full, there's no way you can get a class in every age + capacity race.

Insanity!

Yes, I've got the Supp Regs here. They are not clear on this.
I had been assuming the age races would be all-capacities.



Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on April 11, 2013, 02:54:10 PM
Quote
Read the MOMS Nathan I'm not getting into another of your famous circular augments. The permit fee (paid before the meeting) is fixed while the rider fee (paid after the meeting) is payable on the number of actual riders.

At this point (as of last night) there are no classes that have reached Championship status! I would guess that there will be 3-5 classes that make the required numbers out of 28. It was never envisaged that all classes would make it to Championship status. With around 30hrs to close of entries to have less than half the number of riders to make it even moderately successful was also never envisaged. It seems inept for people to suggest that the entry numbers could double via late entries. When would be a good time to close the entries? Let’s say one week out at that point the entries are still low so the event doesn’t go how do people deal with booked holidays, accommodation etc etc. It would be unfair on people that have done the right thing and entered before this Friday.

Late entrants are not hero’s that have stepped in to save the day they are the bain of organisers. Some people have actually indicated they are waiting to see if the meet goes before entering while others have actually indicated that they are waiting for a clearer indication of weather forecast. WTF.

What people suggest regarding entry closing, late entries and last minute stuff make it difficult for a club day let alone an Open or National. The Scheduling of VMX meetings with all the classes is far more difficult than something like a National MX round with only 3 classes and very low cross entering

I couldn't agree more with everything you say Greg. I've organised or helped set up three of these meetings so know how frustrating it is waiting for the those who enter right at the final bell. They're not "saving the day", they're a flucking pest. After thinking out every scenario to the nth degree and still not coming up with a definitive reason for the non entries, would it be valid to think that perhaps there aren't the number of committed Post Classic motocross racers that we thought there was? Have the actual numbers of legitimate Evo and Pre 90 racers been drastically underestimated? I knew the 125 classes were never going to get anything like a a decent grid, but were the 250 and 500 class numbers being looked at with rose coloured glasses? Have VIPER, HEAVEN or QVMX ever achieved genuinely full grids in every Post Classic class (besides 125)? I'm not criticising anybody or anything.....just thinking out aloud.   
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 11, 2013, 03:07:17 PM
Firko i think the fact that vmx is so healthy up here is probably holding a few back from travelling to the Nats. They can get there fix here regularly on vmx friendly tracks with QVMX, BMCC and the Conondale club days, that's a lot of rides in one year without travelling far. We had 130+ riders 2 weeks ago and most were post classic bikes..
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: worms on April 11, 2013, 03:22:38 PM
they are out there, we had full grids and qualifying for EVO and Pre 85 at the 09 nationals , what has been underestimated is local support, which we had back then. why do you have full grids at Mr Motocross and I can remember the great Crawford river Classic, so is it just people don't have the money at the moment or has it to do with format over 3 days, I thought that was the driving force behind change, less class's, longer races and shorter event, easier for the clubs to run. I would also say the camping issue, it's such a big part of the movement, the mateship, and the whole gathering of like mined old farts. Surely they could extend the entries as they have listed a late entry fee, 4.3 of the sup regs? why have a late entry fee if your not going to accept them? 

anyway, I hope it gets up, Cheers Worms 
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on April 11, 2013, 03:28:41 PM
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Firko i think the fact that vmx is so healthy up here is probably holding a few back from travelling to the Nats
If that's the case the Nats concept needs to be examined to find a way of getting racers back. I'm not involved in this section of the sport but I'm genuinely saddened by the overall scenario. There needs to be an attitudinal change or these events will disappear for good. Once the word gets out about this I doubt we'll ever see non vintage clubs put their hands up to run it again.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 11, 2013, 03:53:36 PM
Evo 125   Evo 250   Evo 263 +   Pre 85 125   Pre 85 250   Pre 85 263 +
    3   13        9                          3                         11                         6
Pre 90 125   Pre 90 250   Pre 90 263 +   Pre 85 Sidecars
    3                      7                          7                             3
125 >30   125 30-39   125 40-49   125 50-59   125 < 60
   0        1                      1                        2                        0
250 >30   250 30-39   250 40-49   250 50-59   250 >60
   2       1                     4                       6                       2
263+ <30   263+ 30-39   263+ 40-49   263+ 50-59   263+ >60
    0                       1                       3                          4                       2
This is without the Super Senior classes                                                     
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: gdr on April 11, 2013, 04:13:18 PM
How can you run with numbers like that . What has happened ,there must be more to it .
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Sorelegs11 on April 11, 2013, 04:16:00 PM
Man the pumps!  We're taking water   :-\
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: lama on April 11, 2013, 04:18:01 PM
check out the sidecar entry were keen ,get the entries in u solo fellas i want a holiday ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 11, 2013, 04:24:32 PM
Sorry about the spacing as it turned to s### after I posted it
Now you may see what we have been talking about !!!!!
Not even enough to cover our track preparation let alone anything else so now you might understand why we need to know numbers by the closing date as to wether we run it or not, we cannot rely on another 80-90 late entries, nobody can expect to run a meeting like that.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 11, 2013, 04:45:16 PM
Evo 125   Evo 250   Evo 263 +   Pre 85 125   Pre 85 250   Pre 85 263 +
    3   13        9                          3                         11                         6
Pre 90 125   Pre 90 250   Pre 90 263 +   Pre 85 Sidecars
    3                      7                          7                             3
125 >30   125 30-39   125 40-49   125 50-59   125 < 60
   0        1                      1                        2                        0
250 >30   250 30-39   250 40-49   250 50-59   250 >60
   2       1                     4                       6                       2
263+ <30   263+ 30-39   263+ 40-49   263+ 50-59   263+ >60
    0                       1                       3                          4                       2
This is without the Super Senior classes                                                     
That's forked.. Does that include today's mail?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: lama on April 11, 2013, 04:47:21 PM
gone off to early again ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???( :D :D :D :D :D :D)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 11, 2013, 04:53:18 PM
This does not include todays mail I will update tonight after I get home
So here's hoping  ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on April 11, 2013, 04:53:40 PM
Evo 125      3
Evo 250      13
Evo 263+   9
Pre85 125   3
Pre85 250   11
Pre85 263 +   6
Pre 90 125   3
Pre 90 250   7
Pre 90 263 +   7
Pre 85 Sidecars   3
125 >30       0
125 30-39   1
125 40-49   1
125 50-59   2
125 >60      0
250 >30      2
250 30-39   1
250 40-49   4
250 50-59   6
250 >60      2
263+ <30   0
263+ 30-39   1
263+ 40-49   3
263+ 50-59   4
263+ >60   2
easier to read hopefully
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: 09.0 on April 11, 2013, 05:22:11 PM
Did you get my entry? Brad van Barrelo. I entered Evo 250, Evo open and pre 90 open.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Hardo on April 11, 2013, 07:16:03 PM

However, as a rider who has entered according to the Supp Regs, it's a bit hard to take being told that the it's all my fault that the event is lacking in entries...

I'm sure I'm not the only one to feel this way.


No you sure aren't Nathan.

What is giving me the $hits reading this is all the comments about "LATE" entries etc... 
From how I read the damn Supp Regs - we haven't even reached close date for entries yet !!!!   ::) ???

I can tell you - if the close date was 16 weeks before the event, my entry would be received 16 weeks and a few days prior to it.

Crikey I hope this goes ahead... I get excited at the thought of racing it! 


Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Curly3 on April 11, 2013, 07:38:28 PM
Is that all Brad, surely you could squeeze in another 2 or 3? ;)
I'm hoping it goes ahead not just for the sake of the sport in general but I'm keen to get my Speedway bike down here. ;D
Fingers crossed it all works out well for The Lakes club and VMX.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 11, 2013, 08:35:00 PM
« Reply #159 on: January 17, 2013, 12:04:59 PM »

was to be the class format (not race format)
that`s why we shut entries off 3 weeks before to set a format that works for all the entered riders
note all bike classes seperate with combinded age racing for evo
if combined age classes in age evo exceeded 40, that would mean another 3 x 5 lap races
initial schedule too full for 2 days
however class numbers now do not represent an Australian title
gonna be sad, but you guys know the outcome here
rp & df
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 11, 2013, 08:55:32 PM
How many more entries did you get today?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 11, 2013, 09:21:34 PM
Good effort today with 14 entries only 76 to go !!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: 09.0 on April 11, 2013, 09:40:19 PM
Did you get my entry? Brad van Barrelo. I entered Evo 250, Evo open and pre 90 open.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: dt tas on April 11, 2013, 10:16:45 PM
Gee u got heaps more than us last year a at lest 50 more
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: supersenior 50 on April 11, 2013, 11:46:19 PM
Man I have read some twaddle in my time, but this lot takes some beating.
The irony is that when the big push for Pre85 and Pre90 was on, a lot of noise was along the lines of "if you dont let in the newer eras  the sport will die as the old bikes and riders drop out"
Reality is the Classic Nats 2012 had champion level entries in every class including Pre60 All Powers, Pre65 250, 13 riders and 263+8 riders. Pre 75 250cc attracted 43 entries alone.
  Nearly         every age group had championship fields (the up to 30 and 30-39 being the exception) Superseniors (over 70yo)had 8 ffs. 50-59 age in 250cc had 28 riders.Pre75 125cc 50-59 had 16 entries but -30 had only 3
So much for old bikes and old blokes dropping out if there's no new eras.
Pre 78 went ballistic, now being the new bikes in "Classic" with 33 250s and 24 125s and 38 263+.Lakes could meet their quota with Pre78 alone.
Part of the mantra from the Pre85 and 90 lobbyists was ( longer races, more tracks suitable for our superior suspention and brakes) which is exactly what Lakes is offering.
The economy. Yes we all know its tough out there, and we feel for those who are genuinely sruggling, however it was tough 9 months ago and the punters turned up in droves.
There has been a lot of talk about how the local clubs should provide 70/80% of the entry.
For the statistically minded herewith is how the Classic Nat demographic went.It is calculated on classes entered ( a more illustrative stat than rider entries). Ive separated Central/North Qld as alot of them travelled further than Sydney riders for instance. WA is also separate as their logistical effort is so great. NSW, Vict. and SA are grouped.Qld metro includes Sunshine and Gold Coast.
NSW/Vict/SA  32%
North Qld         7%
West Aust        4%
Metro Qld       57%
Im not offering any conclusion as to the contrasting support for the 2012 Classic and the 2013 Post Classic.A lot of the reasons for the lack of entries for the Post Classic are valid, but they were mostly equally valid 10 months ago.

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on April 12, 2013, 07:52:48 AM
If the age races were combined to be all capacities (18 races down to six), and some non-championship status classes are combined, could the entire event be brought back to two days?

If so, how many more people would be genuinely prepared to enter this event? (Assuming entries could be left open for another week?)

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on April 12, 2013, 10:14:16 AM
Man I have read some twaddle in my time, but this lot takes some beating.
The irony is that when the big push for Pre85 and Pre90 was on, a lot of noise was along the lines of "if you dont let in the newer eras  the sport will die as the old bikes and riders drop out"
Reality is the Classic Nats 2012 had champion level entries in every class including Pre60 All Powers, Pre65 250, 13 riders and 263+8 riders. Pre 75 250cc attracted 43 entries alone.
  Nearly         every age group had championship fields (the up to 30 and 30-39 being the exception) Superseniors (over 70yo)had 8 ffs. 50-59 age in 250cc had 28 riders.Pre75 125cc 50-59 had 16 entries but -30 had only 3
So much for old bikes and old blokes dropping out if there's no new eras.
Pre 78 went ballistic, now being the new bikes in "Classic" with 33 250s and 24 125s and 38 263+.Lakes could meet their quota with Pre78 alone.
Part of the mantra from the Pre85 and 90 lobbyists was ( longer races, more tracks suitable for our superior suspention and brakes) which is exactly what Lakes is offering.
The economy. Yes we all know its tough out there, and we feel for those who are genuinely sruggling, however it was tough 9 months ago and the punters turned up in droves.
There has been a lot of talk about how the local clubs should provide 70/80% of the entry.
For the statistically minded herewith is how the Classic Nat demographic went.It is calculated on classes entered ( a more illustrative stat than rider entries). Ive separated Central/North Qld as alot of them travelled further than Sydney riders for instance. WA is also separate as their logistical effort is so great. NSW, Vict. and SA are grouped.Qld metro includes Sunshine and Gold Coast.
NSW/Vict/SA  32%
North Qld         7%
West Aust        4%
Metro Qld       57%
Im not offering any conclusion as to the contrasting support for the 2012 Classic and the 2013 Post Classic.A lot of the reasons for the lack of entries for the Post Classic are valid, but they were mostly equally valid 10 months ago.

Thankyou so much for your clear and logically points that puts this whole thing into perspective. Fantastic post!!

I genuinely thought that this meeting was the chance for Post Classic to absolutely shine and the flame has hardly spluttered into life. All we have seen and heard so far are excuses and blame.

All that is needed is for people to enter come and enjoy into the spirit of the Post Classic Nationals, ride at a well-run meeting on a perfect track for post classic racing.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Slakewell on April 12, 2013, 10:53:37 AM
If they dont have 100 entries by the close today I cant see any reason to flog a dieing horse.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: VMX247 on April 12, 2013, 11:38:55 AM
to add too Col's stat's.
From race programs.
Bikes:
Qld Conondale Nationals:
84-pre85/Evo
219-pre78

SA Crystal Brook:
130-pre90
304-pre78

note: most of these bikes had riders in both era's
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: John Orchard on April 12, 2013, 11:45:05 AM
to add too Col's stat's.
From race programs.
Bikes:
Qld Conondale Nationals:
84-pre85/Evo
219-pre78

SA Crystal Brook:
130-pre90
304-pre78


Wow!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: popeye on April 12, 2013, 11:49:57 AM
Just noticed John your from outrim, I'm originally from Inverloch and still have Brother and some mates in Leogatha.....
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: John Orchard on April 12, 2013, 12:21:59 PM
Just noticed John your from outrim, I'm originally from Inverloch and still have Brother and some mates in Leogatha.....


Not wishing to take this thread off subject, I'm actually from Frankston during all my mx years, loved riding all Gippsland tracks .... loam city!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on April 12, 2013, 12:58:06 PM
65 bikes, from the update from yesterday.

The talk of blame is interesting - as I said earlier, it's a two way street. The business that blames its potential customers for not buying their product, is never going to prosper. ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: 09.0 on April 12, 2013, 01:03:19 PM
65 bikes, from the update from yesterday.

The talk of blame is interesting - as I said earlier, it's a two way street. The business that blames its potential customers for not buying their product, is never going to prosper. ;)
What does saying that achieve other than getting the host clubs nose out of joint? They've ticked pretty much every box yet people want to pick holes in what they are doing. It's a simple matter of people not getting behind Vmx by entering.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on April 12, 2013, 01:20:34 PM
Because I've got my nose out of joint about the riders being blamed.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought we all want this event to go ahead and be a success - everyone who's said "I'm not going because...", has been dismissed as a whinger or making excuses.
It may be too late for this event, but surely there's some useful input from those "whingers"?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: John Orchard on April 12, 2013, 01:46:39 PM
Because I've got my nose out of joint about the riders being blamed.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought we all want this event to go ahead and be a success - everyone who's said "I'm not going because...", has been dismissed as a whinger or making excuses.
It may be too late for this event, but surely there's some useful input from those "whingers"?


I tend to agree with Nathan, I applaud the club for making the effort but maybe it is not all planned quite right to appeal to a lot of riders, sure there are economic considerations but that never goes away.

Sure it is a combination of things, things that can only become evident from discussion with those that are not entering.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: 09.0 on April 12, 2013, 02:11:17 PM
Why anyone would want to put up their hand to put an event on, to a bunch of old whinging pricks that want to blame the hosting club and moan about all sorts of things that are the reason why they can't make it. Its only natural the club has a spit when they have put so much into it. Especially after all the bullshit talk up of such an event. Plenty of guys had plenty to say in the beginning.
Cyber racing at its finest.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: TheDamo on April 12, 2013, 02:18:09 PM
I am one of and I am sure not the only guy who missed the deadline for a variety of reasons.
My only question is the club going to extend the entry date to give the meeting some oxygen or is it all over?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: 09.0 on April 12, 2013, 02:42:41 PM
I am one of and I am sure not the only guy who missed the deadline for a variety of reasons.
My only question is the club going to extend the entry date to give the meeting some oxygen or is it all over?
The day isn't over. Email your entry in bud.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: lama on April 12, 2013, 02:51:43 PM
really there is no excuse if its a time thing u can email your entry and its there in 2 seconds(and they have been out for a couple of months) ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: John Orchard on April 12, 2013, 04:16:21 PM
Why anyone would want to put up their hand to put an event on, to a bunch of old whinging pricks that want to blame the hosting club and moan about all sorts of things that are the reason why they can't make it. Its only natural the club has a spit when they have put so much into it. Especially after all the bullshit talk up of such an event. Plenty of guys had plenty to say in the beginning.
Cyber racing at its finest.


Hmmm who's the whinging prick?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: TM BILL on April 12, 2013, 04:25:17 PM
Why anyone would want to put up their hand to put an event on, to a bunch of old whinging pricks that want to blame the hosting club and moan about all sorts of things that are the reason why they can't make it. Its only natural the club has a spit when they have put so much into it. Especially after all the bullshit talk up of such an event. Plenty of guys had plenty to say in the beginning.
Cyber racing at its finest.


Hmmm who's the whinging prick?

Whoa with respect  the Flying Dutchie has supported every nats for the last 5 or 6 yrs as well as supporting many other majors events at home and overseas  and i know he has made sacrifices to get to this event . Obviously dissapointment and frustration is running high but lets not let this thread degenerate into name calling .

Its a bastard that this event is in jepordy and maybe some good ideas for the future can be raised in Johns other thread to help future events .
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on April 12, 2013, 04:58:46 PM
65 bikes, from the update from yesterday.

The talk of blame is interesting - as I said earlier, it's a two way street. The business that blames its potential customers for not buying their product, is never going to prosper. ;)

There is no Business here Nathan. Lakes are a local MX club ran by volunteers like almost every other club. They accepted from the very first instance that they were not in this for the money. They knew that they may just break even. No one has blamed the riders that have/will enter before close of entries today.

What has been worrying is that people think that you can just chop and change an MA National meeting by adding or subtracting classes, delaying closing dates, changing format, dropping this or adding that. It just does not work that way.

The other concerning thing is that people suggest that everyone should hold their breath waiting for late entries over the next three weeks to make it a goer. No BUSINESS as you say could run that way except some government department that is really only playing with someone else’s money and the balance sheet does not matter. But again the money has never been mentioned in any discussion I have had with Lakes they just want to showcase their track pure and simple.

But don't let facts get in the way of your argument
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on April 12, 2013, 05:01:48 PM
65 bikes, from the update from yesterday.

The talk of blame is interesting - as I said earlier, it's a two way street. The business that blames its potential customers for not buying their product, is never going to prosper. ;)
What does saying that achieve other than getting the host clubs nose out of joint? They've ticked pretty much every box yet people want to pick holes in what they are doing. It's a simple matter of people not getting behind Vmx by entering.

Totally agree Brad you have hit the nail square on the head. The only problem has been the lack of support from riders.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: odd1 on April 12, 2013, 05:16:58 PM
Those of you that have entered well done for those of you that where able to, but sat on your hands and now wanting extra time to get an entry in HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME your apathy will be what kills the sport.

Steve Baker
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on April 12, 2013, 05:23:39 PM
I am one of and I am sure not the only guy who missed the deadline for a variety of reasons.
My only question is the club going to extend the entry date to give the meeting some oxygen or is it all over?
The day isn't over. Email your entry in bud.

Brad's right Damo - besides, if you don't enter, I'll ride your bike. :D
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: John Orchard on April 12, 2013, 05:24:42 PM
Steady-on you guys, riders have the right to pick & choose what events they want to ride at without you high & mighty hero's bagging them out.  If riders did not want to ride, and it is obvious a great many did not, then the conditions were not right, be it entry closing date, number of days racing, length of races, the colour jocks of the starter was going to wear, it doesn't matter but if another club wants to have a crack then they will pay attention to the reasons why to pull it off.

I think you all deserve to apologize for taking attitude towards your fellow vmx'ers as I think your attitude is not what this sport is all about.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: 09.0 on April 12, 2013, 05:33:52 PM
Steady-on you guys, riders have the right to pick & choose what events they want to ride at without you high & mighty hero's bagging them out.  If riders did not want to ride, and it is obvious a great many did not, then the conditions were not right, be it entry closing date, number of days racing, length of races, the colour jocks of the starter was going to wear, it doesn't matter but if another club wants to have a crack then they will pay attention to the reasons why to pull it off.

I think you all deserve to apologize for taking attitude towards your fellow vmx'ers as I think your attitude is not what this sport is all about.
In the context of this forum and all the 'talk' when the split came, then when it was to be in Tasmania last year and the major influx of reasons why it fell over and everybody put their two cents worth in. Now it's time to stand and be counted most have decided to race their keyboard.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: Sorelegs11 on April 12, 2013, 05:35:29 PM
What's the plan if a class is over subscribed?


 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: odd1 on April 12, 2013, 05:36:50 PM
Steady-on you guys, riders have the right to pick & choose what events they want to ride at without you high & mighty hero's bagging them out.  If riders did not want to ride, and it is obvious a great many did not, then the conditions were not right, be it entry closing date, number of days racing, length of races, the colour jocks of the starter was going to wear, it doesn't matter but if another club wants to have a crack then they will pay attention to the reasons why to pull it off.

I think you all deserve to apologize for taking attitude towards your fellow vmx'ers as I think your attitude is not what this sport is all about.

The only people who should be apologizing  are the ones who get on here talking it up but not backing it up. The apology I will be giving is to Lakes for wasting there time they have done every thing to accommodate us
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Damo on April 12, 2013, 06:37:21 PM
I am one of and I am sure not the only guy who missed the deadline for a variety of reasons.
My only question is the club going to extend the entry date to give the meeting some oxygen or is it all over?
The day isn't over. Email your entry in bud.

Brad's right Damo - besides, if you don't enter, I'll ride your bike. :D

Hey Nathan,

Please don't confuse me with this dude TheDamo  :-*

My entry was in 5 weeks ago and I'm riding 4 classes.

Totally agree with what Steve and Brad have said, there is no excuse for not getting your entry in.

If we can not get a National VMX Championship up in NSW on arguably one of the best MX tracks in the forkin country what hope has the sport got. Totally pissed off about the whole subject.

Damo  >:( :(
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: 09.0 on April 12, 2013, 06:48:14 PM
Will the real Damo please stand up, please stand up....
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on April 12, 2013, 06:51:20 PM
Greg, my experience with MA suggests that if they were told "this national title meeting is about to fall over, but we might be able to save it if...", they'd be all ears.
If nothing else, the event would be a solid earner for them...

Lets cut the crap: With the benefit of hindsight, some things could have been done differently to attract more entries. Maybe it's too late to fix them, but we all lose if we don't try.

-----

Damo C, good to know you're having a crack - and that you'll lend me a bike in the future. :D

Damo F has a newly acquired '87 CR250 that I was seriously contemplating stealing this morning.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: TheDamo on April 12, 2013, 06:56:46 PM
Yeah Nathan don't confuse this Damo with the Damo with an arse photo for an avatar!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Curly3 on April 12, 2013, 07:02:49 PM
This getting stupid now, don't turn on yourselves guy's or next years titles might be made up grudge match's, hang on that might be a good thing and encourage more entries. ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: odd1 on April 12, 2013, 07:22:01 PM
This getting stupid now, don't turn on yourselves guy's or next years titles might be made up grudge match's, hang on that might be a good thing and encourage more entries. ;)


There wont be a next year!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: TheDamo on April 12, 2013, 07:38:50 PM
All jokes aside, I am new to this sport and I really would love to see this bring the whole VMX community together from the old bikes through to pre 90 guys.
The little bit of racing I have done including some Northern Districts, Mr VMX, and last years EVO Challenge at Lakes which were combined Heaven and Pre 90 events were a complete blast just being there.
Lets not forget this is just a social sport.
Cheers
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Curly3 on April 12, 2013, 07:44:49 PM
There will be I have no doubt, for whatever reason it didn't happen last year or doesn't look like happening this year a split was inevitable.
In 5 years time both Classic & Post Classic will be kicking arse and Dirttrack will be the big brother, just as it was.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: VMX247 on April 12, 2013, 07:50:32 PM
There will be I have no doubt, for whatever reason it didn't happen last year or doesn't look like happening this year a split was inevitable.
In 5 years time both Classic & Post Classic will be kicking arse and Dirttrack will be the big brother, just as it was.  ;D ;)

Here here ,,,,with all these imports it can only get better  8)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Damo on April 12, 2013, 07:51:13 PM
All jokes aside, I am new to this sport and I really would love to see this bring the whole VMX community together from the old bikes through to pre 90 guys.
The little bit of racing I have done including some Northern Districts, Mr VMX, and last years EVO Challenge at Lakes which were combined Heaven and Pre 90 events were a complete blast just being there.
Lets not forget this is just a social sport.
Cheers


Welcome aboard bro,

Another Pre 90 Honda loving Nancy Boy, Magoo would be proud.

Hey Brad, love it that you keep changing your avatar comment, very forkin funny   ;D

Damo
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: mick25 on April 12, 2013, 07:51:56 PM
I put my entry in soon as the regs came out , me thinking to get in fast so I dont miss out  ;) wasnt I wrong :'(
looks like its done and dusted , all to little to late ???
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Ando on April 12, 2013, 08:17:42 PM
I put my entry in soon as the regs came out , me thinking to get in fast so I dont miss out  ;) wasnt I wrong :'(
looks like its done and dusted , all to little to late ???

I still have faith Mick! I have a strong feeling it will still happen & will except more entries! Fingers crossed hey!!  8)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: mick25 on April 12, 2013, 08:36:03 PM
I put my entry in soon as the regs came out , me thinking to get in fast so I dont miss out  ;) wasnt I wrong :'(
looks like its done and dusted , all to little to late ???

I still have faith Mick! I have a strong feeling it will still happen & will except more entries! Fingers crossed hey!!  8)
I may have jumped the gate then Ando ;)  may the faith be with us all  ;) see you on the start line
fingers and figin toes crossed too.....
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Ando on April 12, 2013, 08:37:35 PM
 :)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Hardo on April 12, 2013, 08:51:25 PM
If it doesn't happen (I still have a little faith too) lets spend the weekend at Lue Ando & Mick....   :)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 12, 2013, 09:03:53 PM
entries officially closed
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Ando on April 12, 2013, 09:10:07 PM
Well??
Title: Lake Macquarie Championships
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 12, 2013, 10:29:31 PM
Lakes Champs 12/4/13
http://www.lakesmotorcycleclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2013-Lakes-Championships-sub-regs-F.pdf
Title: Re: Lake Macquarie Championships
Post by: Montynut on April 12, 2013, 10:47:51 PM
Lakes Champs 12/4/13
http://www.lakesmotorcycleclub.com/
You are going to have to spell it out for us Darren as the link doesn't do anything to clear it up for me :-[
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Mod1 on April 12, 2013, 10:57:08 PM
Thank you to the Lakes Club for there support of the Post Classic Nationals.
May you be rewared in this new Open Championship event.

Lakes Champs 12/4/13
http://www.lakesmotorcycleclub.com/
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: VMX247 on April 12, 2013, 11:38:26 PM
Well??

Lakes Champs 12/4/13
http://www.lakesmotorcycleclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2013-Lakes-Championships-sub-regs-F.pdf

Choice of two on offer  8)
Title: Re: Lake Macquarie Championships
Post by: Billet YZ on April 12, 2013, 11:50:22 PM
Lakes Champs 12/4/13
http://www.lakesmotorcycleclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2013-Lakes-Championships-sub-regs-F.pdf


I think the club is trying to tell everyone that meeting is now their first meeting for May 2013 not the Post Classics. Just my take on the link provided.   Peter.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on April 13, 2013, 12:00:18 AM
 :(  :'( :( :'( :-[ :-[
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 13, 2013, 09:03:43 AM
Hi with a grand total of 71 riders it does not look like proceeding
The biggest field has only 18 bikes and I will post the tally sheet up sometime in the next couple of days.
We will make a formal announcement on Monday after consultation with MA.
Those that have done the right thing and entered THANK YOU those that have been hanging off also a big thank you as it now looks like I will have an extra week of holidays that I can spend in America !!!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on April 13, 2013, 09:35:48 AM
Two thoughts:

1. Does the Lakes MBC think it would be worth their while to run a vintage-only club meet on that weekend? Would MA offer a permit?

2. Anyone who was "gunna" enter should ring and beg and plead for the club to accept a late entry. With a $50 late fee, the financial side might be more palatable for the organisers.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Sorelegs11 on April 13, 2013, 09:43:11 AM
Two thoughts:

1. Does the Lakes MBC think it would be worth their while to run a vintage-only club meet on that weekend? Would MA offer a permit?

2. Anyone who was "gunna" enter should ring and beg and plead for the club to accept a late entry. With a $50 late fee, the financial side might be more palatable for the organisers.

After all the effort put in so far by the organisers why would you bother ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 13, 2013, 10:04:29 AM
Hi Nathan
To run a vintage only meeting we only need an MNSW permit as long as it is only a club event.
Also we would still a commitment from the riders as well. Heaven meetings at our venue have a healthy turnout as nearly all the guys regardless of era's enjoy the track. We are not anti vintage, we have to run our club as if it a business because if we don't we won't survive and that is no good for anyone.
When we make decisions we consult each other and discuss if it viable to do, we will not tear up thousand's of dollars to run a meeting and on the same token we work very hard to make what ever money we can out of any meeting so we can keep improving our venue. We have over 500 members we have to answer too. I feel for the Post Classic Era's I imagine it will be difficult for any club to really want to be interested in hosting them in the future. From our point of view and with a solid commitment from all riders it is something we would look at doing again and the same thing will apply regarding a closing date for entries.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Damo on April 13, 2013, 11:41:53 AM
Hi with a grand total of 71 riders it does not look like proceeding
The biggest field has only 18 bikes and I will post the tally sheet up sometime in the next couple of days.
We will make a formal announcement on Monday after consultation with MA.
Those that have done the right thing and entered THANK YOU those that have been hanging off also a big thank you as it now looks like I will have an extra week of holidays that I can spend in America !!!

Hi Rob/Darren,

Can you please post up who has entered so as they can be congratulated for supporting VMX in Australia.
Also from Norths/RetroMX a big thank you for believing in us even if we have wasted your time and efforts.

Damo
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: paul on April 13, 2013, 11:57:26 AM
is the aussie title on or cancelled
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 13, 2013, 12:05:49 PM
Hi Damo I will post a list of bikes in each class with what state they came from but I won't publish names.
I have spoken to Rob and we are prepared to submit for it again next year so I think a lot will need to be sorted out between now and then so as to make it happen. This event deserves the prestige of any National Title but with out the full commitment of all VMX riders it will never get to that level which is a shame. Riders have to understand what is involved in promoting an Australian Title cause it is not something that can be altered at the drop of a hat and any hosting club must have numbers by a certain date to be able to proceed with an event. Late entries are only a filler for classes that are not fully subscribed, not to make a meeting happen.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 13, 2013, 12:09:26 PM
Paul please read our earlier post and you will know what is going on
Hi with a grand total of 71 riders it does not look like proceeding
The biggest field has only 18 bikes and I will post the tally sheet up sometime in the next couple of days.
We will make a formal announcement on Monday after consultation with MA.
Those that have done the right thing and entered THANK YOU those that have been hanging off also a big thank you as it now looks like I will have an extra week of holidays that I can spend in America !!!.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Damo on April 13, 2013, 12:34:47 PM
Hi Damo I will post a list of bikes in each class with what state they came from but I won't publish names.
I have spoken to Rob and we are prepared to submit for it again next year so I think a lot will need to be sorted out between now and then so as to make it happen. This event deserves the prestige of any National Title but with out the full commitment of all VMX riders it will never get to that level which is a shame. Riders have to understand what is involved in promoting an Australian Title cause it is not something that can be altered at the drop of a hat and any hosting club must have numbers by a certain date to be able to proceed with an event. Late entries are only a filler for classes that are not fully subscribed, not to make a meeting happen.

Hi Guys,

Obviously massively disappointed that this event has not taken off.
Awesome news that you guys are willing to run it next year, hopefully this will be a warning to all VMX competitors not to take it lightly  after all it is an Australian  title race.
For next year I-believe you need to consult local VMX clubs and not rely to much on the cyber racers that live on this forum.

Damo
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Billet YZ on April 13, 2013, 02:49:10 PM
I think everyone at the Lakes MBC should be held in high regard,  even at this early stage after putting in a lot of hard yards to get this meeting off the ground they have already offered to run this meeting again next year after all that has gone on in the last week. Huge respect as most clubs would shut us out for good.

As i am helping with the running of Viper this year i believe it might help for next years title if each club around the country promoted the event within their members, then get some commitment from their respective members as to a yes or no for their entry. Then and only then each club to advise the Lakes club of how many of their members will make the trip, this may paint a picture of a repeat of this year or more numbers. Just my opinion and suggestion as i don`t think anyone has the answer for what we are facing.  Regards Peter Gruber.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: mick25 on April 13, 2013, 06:14:57 PM
Well I have just started drowning me sorrows with mexico coronas  ;D who else is :P       that another post classic has fallen over  :'(
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Iain Cameron on April 13, 2013, 06:23:29 PM
Not good news . We thought it was just the cost of getting to Tas that stuffed us but the costs seem  so much less on the mainland I thought this one would get up and running .
Iain
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Ando on April 13, 2013, 06:25:37 PM
As the LMBC says, the decision will be made on Monday.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Woody on April 13, 2013, 09:25:17 PM
What a bugger, I was looking forward to being a part of the Nats for the first time on one of my favourite tracks.

So who else entered the Nats and is hanging on Monday's decision? (copy the text and add to yourself like the vmx no. listing own post). I've put down the classes that I know of (without evo age classes) maybe others in the know can add to it/amend it;

Evo 125


Evo 250


Evo +263


Pre 85 125


Pre85 250

#70 Woody


Pre85 +263


Pre85 sidecars


Pre 90 125


Pre90 250


Pre90 +263

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: odd1 on April 14, 2013, 06:26:36 AM
What a bugger, I was looking forward to being a part of the Nats for the first time on one of my favourite tracks.

So who else entered the Nats and is hanging on Monday's decision? (copy the text and add to yourself like the vmx no. listing own post). I've put down the classes that I know of (without evo age classes) maybe others in the know can add to it/amend it;

Evo 125 333 odd1


Evo 250


Evo +263 333 odd1

Pre 85 125


Pre85 250

#70 Woody


Pre85 +263


Pre85 sidecars  333 odd1/popeye


Pre 90 125


Pre90 250


Pre90 +263


Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: gwc162 on April 14, 2013, 06:55:56 AM
Evo 125 333 odd1


Evo 250


Evo +263 333 odd1

Pre 85 125


Pre85 250

#70 Woody
#162 Geoff

Pre85 +263


Pre85 sidecars  333 odd1


Pre 90 125


Pre90 250


Pre90 +263
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on April 14, 2013, 07:48:51 AM
Evo 125 333 odd1


Evo 250
#222 Ken

Evo +263 333 odd1

Pre 85 125


Pre85 250

#70 Woody
#162 Geoff
#222 Ken

Pre85 +263


Pre85 sidecars  333 odd1


Pre 90 125


Pre90 250


Pre90 +263
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: popeye on April 14, 2013, 08:21:37 AM
Evo 125 333 odd1


Evo 250
#222 Ken

Evo +263 333 odd1

Pre 85 125


Pre85 250

#70 Woody
#162 Geoff
#222 Ken

Pre85 +263


Pre85 sidecars  333 odd1/ POPEYE


Pre 90 125 65-Popeye


Pre90 250


Pre90 +263
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: 3858 on April 14, 2013, 08:52:47 AM
Evo 125 333 odd1


Evo 250
#222 Ken

Evo +263 333 odd1

Pre 85 125


Pre85 250

#70 Woody
#162 Geoff
#222 Ken

Pre85 +263


Pre85 sidecars  333 odd1/ POPEYE


Pre 90 125 65-Popeye


Pre90 250


Pre90 +263
Marty Wright
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Hardo on April 14, 2013, 09:48:17 AM
Evo 125
333 odd1


Evo 250
#222 Ken

Evo +263
333 odd1

Pre 85 125


Pre85 250

#70 Woody
#162 Geoff
#222 Ken
#10 Hardo

Pre85 +263


Pre85 sidecars 
333 odd1 / Popeye


Pre 90 125
#65 Popeye

Pre90 250
#10 Hardo

Pre90 +263
Marty Wright
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Shaun G on April 14, 2013, 10:20:28 AM
Evo 125
333 odd1


Evo 250
#222 Ken
#297 Shaun

Evo +263
333 odd1

Pre 85 125


Pre85 250

#70 Woody
#162 Geoff
#222 Ken
#10 Hardo

Pre85 +263


Pre85 sidecars 
333 odd1 / Popeye


Pre 90 125
#65 Popeye

Pre90 250
#10 Hardo
#297 Shaun

Pre90 +263
Marty Wright
#297 Shaun
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on April 14, 2013, 10:37:24 AM
While this listing will no doubt be entertaining for the usual forum shit stirrers and open the door to allow them to get into those who didn't enter the Nats, I think it can only contribute to further division within the Post Classic ranks. Lets move on from the blame game and try and sort out the reasons for the entry shortcomings so that any club wanting to run the event in the future can work to make it worth entering . It's time for unity in the ranks not anarchy ;).
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 14, 2013, 10:46:16 AM
While this listing will no doubt be entertaining for the forum shit stirrers to get into those who didn't enter the Nats, I think it can only contribute to further division within the Post Classic ranks. Lets move on from the blame game and try and sort out the reasons for the entry shortcomings so that any club wanting to run the event in the future can work to make it worth entering .
Exactly.. All this shit isn't solving anything.
If you want to know whats needed talk to someone like Col Metcher (supersenior) who's been involved in running several successful title events..
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Shaun G on April 14, 2013, 10:59:19 AM
I think it is useful to see who of the forum racers were actually committed to riding this event.

For instance there was a lot of fault placed by some of a lack of support from NSW based riders and both HEAVEN and my club, Northern Districts members were somehow to blame for not supporting the event. The list so far is showing that NSW riders are in the vast majority. Happy to be proven otherwise.

I too don't want to see it used to bag people as I know there are always valid reasons why you sometimes can't enter an event.

Cheers
Shaun
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on April 14, 2013, 11:09:39 AM
Shaun, while I understand your angst at both HEAVEN and your club copping the brunt of the blame for the low entries, I think it's time to get over the "blame game" and move on to try and fix whatever went wrong. All outing the 'non entrants'  does is create more division and finger pointing and self congratulory 'high fiving' for those who did enter.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 14, 2013, 11:17:08 AM
I entered the titles but I'm not putting my name on the list, it's pointless.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 14, 2013, 11:29:14 AM
You just did  :D :D :D
It's not on the LIST that keeps getting quoted!
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: head on April 14, 2013, 11:57:30 AM
I entered as well but not putting on list.  All classes are not on list either, eg age classes for EVO.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on April 14, 2013, 12:12:38 PM
If anyone wants to blame someone blame me. I made several unfortunate assumptions and recommended them to Lakes.

1) That this forum was a reasonable way to gauge attitudes and views (big mistake no massive mistake)
2) I assumed that riders wanted to race when they came to the Nationals (second big mistake). I naively thought that riders wanted the results to reflect the fittest, best prepared and most skilled riders to shine.
3) It was never envisaged that riders would enter and ride 5-6 bikes like they do in the Classic Nationals (this is not a negative thing toward the Classic Nationals)
4) I thought that riders wanted to race MX as we did in the day. Longer races but not a 30-40min + 2lap MX world Champ type meeting but a challenge that any finisher could be proud of.
5) I really didn’t want to go to 3 days but as the Lakes guys showed the format required it if all classes went ahead. This could have been trimmed but you cannot go to three days if you state 2 days in the regs. That is you can reduce the days and no one will squeal but you cannot increase the days after people have entered. CD & HBBB are effectively 3 day events for anyone travelling interstate yet are getting bigger and bigger.
6) Camping at the circuit really is a no issue situation as far as I am concerned. There are several very good camping grounds within 10-15min of the Lakes circuit for very small fees. Security would have been available at the track. The pit area is a locked area within a 2.5m fence and would have been had lighting and a few people there all night. Camping is generally not allowed at the Lakes circuit as it is situation on a High Voltage transmission line easement. People could stay and works on bikes with power available for their lighting etc it is just they are not allowed to camp.

Where it probably went wrong
1) It appears that a significant majority do not want true MX racing (this is not a judgement or confrontational just my take on this situation). Some of this is psychological as Heaven / Northern Districts ran 4 & 5 lap races at our inter-club meeting last August (each bike entered ran 2 races Saturday afternoon and 4 on Sunday plus practice Saturday morning). Most riders were very happy and everyone seemed to enjoy it. These races ment 6 x 10 – 12.5min races yet 3 x 15min + 1lap (expected to be 7-8 laps) is somehow too challenging.
2) The social aspect seems to have become just as important as the racing. (I wrongly assumed that CD & HBBB along with club days took care of this aspect).
3) We/I assumed that people wanted their racing for a National event to be a little more serious after all it is a National Championship. I originally was not going to ride as I wanted to help run the event from the flag marshal point of view but entered when numbers became critical. I would never image that I would be in the hunt for a podium, not in a long shot but let’s face it even at Modern meetings everyone knows there are only a few riders really in the hunt. Back in the day you went to meetings just for the chance to qualify for the main event never even calculating that you could win it. In every single sporting event there is only one winner and a lot of non-winners. Even the word loser is now politically incorrect ::). Competing is the thing always has been always should be.

I am completely gutted by the outcome. I am disappointed stunned with the low entries. Who entered or who didn’t enter is really irrelevant as the overall numbers are the deciding factors not who. It is pretty obvious that it was not the correct ‘product’. I have no idea what the correct product is and will allow us to still call it MX because 3 x 3laps is not MX. The one thing I am bemused by are all the EXPERTS with the 20/20 hindsight with 'I tried to tell everyone' blar blar blar. The old saying ‘eX’ is an unknown quantity and sPERT is a drip under pressure. They need to get involved and put their time and effort where their mouth is.

As I said I am gutted by this situation and personally have had my fill of National events (one failure is one too many). I hope that the Post Classic Nationals really does take off next attempt and that the Classic Nationals go well later this year plus the re-surge of interest in Classic DT leads to a super Classic DT Nationals.

I personally would like to thank Darren and Rob (they are true enthusiasts of all things dirt bike) from the Lakes club along with the entire Lakes Club for supporting our sport. The fact they have indicated they are up for another try shows the calibre of the gentlemen.

This is my only response so pick away everyone
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: odd1 on April 14, 2013, 12:55:14 PM
For to long this forum has been seen as the judge and the jury on all things VMX and when it has come time to stand up and be counted  have then started coming up with excuses and throwing hand grenades from the side lines. We have CD and HBBB for get together's. Vinduro's are also very social. The nationals are a race pure and simple trying to water them down so every one gets a prize is a refection on today's politically correct society. I for one do think the people who entered should put there name down on the list that way we know who the bull sh8%ters are. (Although we have probable worked that out already)
Steve Baker
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Hardo on April 14, 2013, 01:00:49 PM
I didn't think the final decision had been made yet.....  ???
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on April 14, 2013, 01:24:35 PM
If anyone wants to blame someone blame me. I made several unfortunate assumptions and recommended them to Lakes.

Monty, I don't understand why there needs to be any blame game at all. Seriously, what is the point? I am personally grateful that there are people like you, Darren & Rob, fatboy, Glenn and the boys from Mr VMX, Greg from Conowindra, the Guys from Chrystal Brook, Carl and the Beverly's, Phil & Noel and all the other people behind the scenes who selflessly give up their time to organize these events.

So we got it wrong (I say we, because for what it is worth, I made the same assumptions you did). As we do on the race track every lap and in life, we make mistakes. The achievers are those who have the ability to accept this, recognise where they got it wrong, adjust and try to get it right next time. That is life, and I challenge anyone to prove to me they live the perfect life without making regular mistakes.

As I said in an earlier post, this concept has the potential of becoming an event we all have a great time at and look back on as a treasured memory. If you don't try you don't know. Whatever you do don't beat yourself up for this. You guys should be applauded for giving it a try and I am behind you for your next go at it.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on April 14, 2013, 01:35:27 PM
and honestly, looking at these photos, when this was announced who in their right mind wouldn't have thought it would be the event of the year!!!



A few photos from the meeting in August this year
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae123/montynut/BJF_7056.jpg)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae123/montynut/BJF_6881.jpg)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae123/montynut/BJF_6716.jpg)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae123/montynut/BJF_6687.jpg)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae123/montynut/BJF_6680.jpg)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae123/montynut/BJF_6666.jpg)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae123/montynut/BJF_6617.jpg)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae123/montynut/BJF_6615.jpg)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae123/montynut/BJF_6606.jpg)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae123/montynut/BJF_6544.jpg)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae123/montynut/BJF_6530.jpg)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae123/montynut/BJF_6404.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on April 14, 2013, 01:43:30 PM
Stop Ken you are depressing me more :'(
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on April 14, 2013, 03:39:18 PM
I've been in the shed enjoying one of my favourite ways of spending a Sunday arvo, working on my bike while listening to the footy on the radio. As well as those two things I've been thinking about Montynut's taking the bullet for the failure of the PC Nats to get off the ground. I mentally composed a warm and fuzzy post to try and explain to Greg that it isn't his fault but when I sat at the computer and read KJ's reply, one sentence said everything I wanted to say " So we got it wrong (I say we, because for what it is worth, I made the same assumptions you did) ", and so did I and I would assume, the seventy odd racers that entered. Montynut and the Lakes club should not be the scapegoats here, they did nothing but good.

 Don't beat yourself up Greg ;).

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: TM BILL on April 14, 2013, 04:00:41 PM
From the get go the lakes club asked, listened and accomodated wherever possible to what people on here wanted for a great Nats .

Those photos again show what a great track they have  :) there is obviously a lot of dissapointment but nobdy should take the blame for the event falling short on entries .

I still believe its a sign of the economic times , and as has been said the fact that the club has said they would look at running the event in the future shows great integrity.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: lama on April 14, 2013, 05:45:22 PM
its not been canned yet ive got everything crossed :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: supersenior 50 on April 14, 2013, 06:00:00 PM
What will happen at the 2013 Classic Nats is 130-160 entries (250-350 bikes).The Perth guys are organising containers, Canberra is central,the Classic riders seem more dedicated than their later era brethren, etc.
The 2014 Post Classic Nats will take off as apart from anything else the riders have had a giant wake up call and surely realise another failure will be an even bigger set back. Sure, a number of the reasons given for lack of entries are valid and no doubt taken on board, but at the end of the day its down to the riders supporting their sport.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on April 14, 2013, 08:05:53 PM

Evo 125
333 odd1


Evo 250
#222 Ken
#297 Shaun
#818 Nathan

Evo +263
333 odd1

Pre 85 125


Pre85 250

#70 Woody
#162 Geoff
#222 Ken
#10 Hardo
#818 Nathan

Pre85 +263


Pre85 sidecars 
333 odd1 / Popeye


Pre 90 125
#65 Popeye
#818 Nathan

Pre90 250
#10 Hardo
#297 Shaun

Pre90 +263
#68 Marty
#297 Shaun
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Woody on April 14, 2013, 08:48:22 PM
what a bugger Nath, I was looking forward to going head to head with you on the CR's in pre85 250  ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: 09.0 on April 14, 2013, 09:00:21 PM


Evo 125
333 odd1


Evo 250
#090
#222 Ken
#297 Shaun
#818 Nathan

Evo +263
#090
333 odd1


Pre 85 125


Pre85 250

#70 Woody
#162 Geoff
#222 Ken
#10 Hardo
#818 Nathan

Pre85 +263


Pre85 sidecars 
333 odd1 / Popeye


Pre 90 125
#65 Popeye
#818 Nathan

Pre90 250
#10 Hardo
#297 Shaun

Pre90 +263
#090
#68 Marty
#297 Shaun
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: supersenior 50 on April 14, 2013, 09:35:15 PM
What are these figures Brad?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: JohnnyO on April 14, 2013, 09:42:37 PM
What are these figures Brad?
Some of the forum members who entered the titles Col..
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on April 14, 2013, 10:09:17 PM
Quote
What will happen at the 2013 Classic Nats is 130-160 entries (250-350 bikes).The Perth guys are organising containers, Canberra is central,the Classic riders seem more dedicated than their later era brethren, etc. The 2014 Post Classic Nats will take off as apart from anything else the riders have had a giant wake up call and surely realise another failure will be an even bigger set back. Sure, a number of the reasons given for lack of entries are valid and no doubt taken on board, but at the end of the day its down to the riders supporting their sport.

I agree with Col...the 2013 Classic Nats will happen but it's not going to be the huge event it promises to be unless the classic era competitors get right behind the meeting. We need to show that the Nats concept is still alive and viable as far as the traditional vintage classes are concerned. As I said earlier, I'm entering three bikes in three different classes with three different riders and I'd love to challenge other guys with extra bikes that they won't be riding to do the same...offer them to friends without classic era bikes or fellow racers from the Post Classic scene. Klub Kevlar will also offer to sponsor a couple of classes or offer novelty trophies...whatever the Canberra club feels comfortable with. I've been doing a little work behind the scene to try and get the dormant pre 65 and pre 70 classes up and running again for three HEAVEN rounds this year and it looks as if the four or five extra quality pre 65 bikes I've got a committment from could well support the Canberra Nats as well. If we all work together we can make the Canberra Classic Nats the showpiece of the sport that the Post Classic meeting should have been.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: supersenior 50 on April 14, 2013, 10:10:17 PM
I entered Evo all three capacities John.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Toolboy on April 15, 2013, 11:03:57 AM
What is happening with the this Comp....

Is there any offical word on whether the race will go ahead???

I have entered for myself and my son from when applications opened and have flights to book for my son to come from Perth if this is still a go head???

Like most people i am dissapointed that the VMX scene has not got behind this event.

Tim
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on April 15, 2013, 11:53:20 AM
Evo 125
333 odd1
Supersenior

Evo 250
#090 Brad
#222 Ken
#297 Shaun
#818 Nathan
Supersenior

Evo +263
#090 Brad
#333 odd1
Supersenior

Pre 85 125


Pre85 250

#70 Woody
#162 Geoff
#222 Ken
#10 Hardo
#818 Nathan

Pre85 +263


Pre85 sidecars 
#333 odd1 / Popeye


Pre 90 125
#65 Popeye
#818 Nathan

Pre90 250
#10 Hardo
#297 Shaun

Pre90 +263
#090 Brad
#68 Marty
#297 Shaun

+ Johnny O
+ Toolboy
+ Toolboy's son
+ Head
+ Damo
+ Montynut
+ Ando

-----

Hmmm - I wonder how many people entered that aren't involved with this forum? ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Shaun G on April 15, 2013, 12:57:52 PM
Hmmm - I wonder how many people entered that aren't involved with this forum? ;)

Going by the list so far it looks like around 50.

Sooo maybe this isn't the place to be gauging VMX opinion after all  ;)

Cheers
Shaun
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: firko on April 15, 2013, 01:12:25 PM
Shaun, this has never been the place to gauge the thoughts of the entire VMX population but it's the closest we've got to a general cross section. As much as I finally grew to support the 15 minute moto format for Evo/pre 90, I knew in my heart that the silent majority of competitors would be against it and it seems I may have been right. I don't think that any of the social media give a true indication of what the punters want either so my thoughts are that while this and Facebook may a good place to discuss ideas, the opinions voiced should never be taken as representing the majority.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Shaun G on April 15, 2013, 01:39:30 PM
Absolutely true Firko. This is the only place that I have heard the want for longer moto's mentioned and the majority of those here that wanted them don't seem to have even entered for this event!

After deciding last year to quit riding MX and to concentrate only on my first love, Dirt Track, I can tell you that, like Scrivo, I only entered due to the alarming lack of numbers.  I was also was aiming to be there and help out in any way I could in running the event.

I entered knowing that there is no way on this earth that I would have completed any 15 min moto's but thought if an entry would help to make a difference I was happy to pay my money and wobble around for a couple of laps. After all one day I could then tell my grandkids about the time I rode at an Australian Title. ;D ;D ;D

Before anybody decides to have another crack at the PC Nats I think it is time that we go back to all vintage clubs and get a true indication from all of their members as to what they would like to see in regards to events of this type. Much the same as the way Col went about consulting as widely as possible when he was proposing the split.

Cheers
Shaun
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Lakes MBC on April 15, 2013, 03:41:25 PM
pin officially pulled
when we can sort out what you really want, we might try again next year
camping will still be unavailable due to Transgrid Easement (as mentioned several times here)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: mick25 on April 15, 2013, 04:16:12 PM
pin officially pulled
when we can sort out what you really want, we might try again next year
camping will still be unavailable due to Transgrid Easement (as mentioned several times here)
:'( maybe third time lucky this event will happen.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: mick25 on April 15, 2013, 04:21:09 PM
Evo 125
333 odd1
Supersenior

Evo 250
#090 Brad
#222 Ken
#297 Shaun
#818 Nathan
Supersenior

Evo +263
#090 Brad
#333 odd1
Supersenior
#mick25
Pre 85 125


Pre85 250

#70 Woody
#162 Geoff
#222 Ken
#10 Hardo
#818 Nathan

Pre85 +263


Pre85 sidecars 
#333 odd1 / Popeye


Pre 90 125
#65 Popeye
#818 Nathan

Pre90 250
#10 Hardo
#297 Shaun

Pre90 +263
#090 Brad
#68 Marty
#297 Shaun

+ Johnny O
+ Toolboy
+ Toolboy's son
+ Head
+ Damo
+ Montynut
+ Ando

-----

Hmmm - I wonder how many people entered that aren't involved with this forum? ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Nathan S on April 15, 2013, 05:24:17 PM
pin officially pulled
when we can sort out what you really want, we might try again next year
camping will still be unavailable due to Transgrid Easement (as mentioned several times here)

My suggestions for anyone who's considering running future Post-Classic Nationals:

I could be wrong, but I think the camping stuff is quite important. It's not just about the tight-arse and/or social factors, it's about not having to load and unload bikes repeatedly, and then worry about them being left on a ute/trailer outside a motel.
Offering secure overnight bike parking would help those issues?
The need for off-site accommodation just adds a whole extra dimension to pre-event organisation too - no matter how many places are nearby, the organisation required is well beyond simply chucking a tent/swag and camp stove in. A list of nearby accommodation is relatively easy to way to make the whole process less daunting to potential competitors.

The event needs to be given lots of promotion. "Build it and they will come" isn't enough, particularly when it's a new event. Doubly when the pre-90 era is still young, and doesnt have the history/depth of competitor support of the older eras.
It needs to be pushed regularly, in VMX mag, the modern magazines, the Vinduro-based forums, and the modern forums, as well as here. And via the vintage clubs around the country!
Regular reminders of closing date for entries and regular links to the entry form are an important part of that push.
A dedicated website with a positive, inclusive sales pitch would be a nice move too.
Name calling, heckling and the like should be avoided at all costs, regardless of the frustration felt...

I don't believe the age races are important for the newer eras - not worthless, but age classes for every single capacity class just makes the programme bloated and drags the weekend out too much.
I believe it should be an all-capacities class for the newest era class that's eligible for the meeting (and everyone is allowed to ride-up into the pre-90 era).
Some age classes will be poorly supported - there's just not that many 60+ year olds who will want to race pre-85, no matter how you look at it. Whether or not to run the poorly supported age classes is an interesting dilemma at both ends of the age spectrum (that's beyond the discussion here).

A realistic, pre-considered approach to the 125 classes (only the pre-75 125 class is consistently capable of gaining Championship status), and how they'd be combined if needed.

Two days (including sign-on, scrutiny and practice) is important.
Realistically, I'd suggest optional sign-on and scrutiny on Friday arvo/evening, with racing not starting until late Saturday morning. With a dozen empty age-races removed from the schedule, I assume this could be made to work.

I reckon they're the main things that need to happen to make the event a success - others that may disagree, but hopefully this will get the discussion rolling in a constructive fashion.
If we persist with the notion that problem (and solution) lies entirely with the competitors, then we will be doomed to repeat the scenario we've had with the 2013 Nationals.



------

For the record, I am happy to help out with the publicity stuff for future C/PC Nationals.

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: John Orchard on April 15, 2013, 05:33:25 PM
I like it Nathan.  I'm willing to help with promotion also, either via Mitchell Club or MV.
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles - Confirmed
Post by: FireKwaka on April 15, 2013, 06:39:17 PM
This is a major bummer!!!

A pre 85 or pre 90 rider with one bike would get 3 races + practice over 3 days, EVO would get 6 + practice. Some classes may end up combined to give more time or I would prefer shorter races and add an all powers to pre 85 & 90. Just a preference I will race regardless.

Just for the record I DID prefer shorter races.


Evo 125
333 odd1
Supersenior

Evo 250
#090 Brad
#222 Ken
#297 Shaun
#818 Nathan
Supersenior

Evo +263
#090 Brad
#333 odd1
Supersenior

Pre 85 125


Pre85 250

#70 Woody
#162 Geoff
#222 Ken
#10 Hardo
#818 Nathan
#80 Firekwaka

Pre85 +263


Pre85 sidecars 
#333 odd1 / Popeye


Pre 90 125
#65 Popeye
#818 Nathan

Pre90 250
#10 Hardo
#297 Shaun

Pre90 +263
#090 Brad
#68 Marty
#297 Shaun

+ Johnny O
+ Toolboy
+ Toolboy's son
+ Head
+ Damo
+ Montynut
+ Ando

-----

Where are all the Pre 85 +263 that were at Mr VMX ?
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: jimg1au on April 15, 2013, 06:41:23 PM
evo has age races you wont get away with it ma will insist you have them.classic dirt track mx same rules.
jim
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on April 15, 2013, 06:43:11 PM
evo has age races you wont get away with it ma will insist you have them.classic dirt track mx same rules.
jim
Yes Jim but Nathan doesn't let the facts get in the way of his view. Next year in Yass then ::)
Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Ted on April 15, 2013, 06:44:31 PM
One way to guarantee sufficient numbers is to include the Nats results into your club championship pointscore

If the Nats are in NSW the Heaven / Norths riders count it as a pointscore round which at  somewhere like Lakes would mean lots of entrants This way riders of lesser ability may not figure in the Nats trophies but they may just advance their points enough to figure in their own clubs results. The same goes for Vic and Qld.

Interest in a National Title should not be garnered on an Internet forum. It should be done at club level with questions like, You wanna ride the Nats, How many laps, You want camping, Where you wanna ride?, 1st choice, 2nd choice etc.
This information is compiled in the first 6 months of the year ( Is May too early to run a title event as , say for Heaven members it will only be the second time out on a bike in competition ) with deposits taken from all participants and both submitted to MA to put together a fruitful proposal to clubs to tender from.

Just my 2c worth





Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Montynut on April 15, 2013, 06:51:07 PM
Ted applications to run the 2014 Nationals are open now and close in a few months. Lakes application for 2013 was accepted as a late application because no one had put their hand up last year for the 2013 event.

The Classic & Post Classic Nationals are actually MA events and the club runs it on their behalf. To ride at it you need a National licence or a one event National Licence (this is only available for the Classic & Post Classic Dirt Nationals). This would make it a very expensive club day and you could not have all the events that are run at Heaven club days for example.

You can not change the classes away from those in the MOMS and any variations to the event have to be approved by MA.

Title: Re: 2013 Australian Post Classic MX Titles
Post by: Ted on April 15, 2013, 06:57:30 PM
Ok, I didn't know that's how it worked, but if that is how it's done that's how it's done. Selling a twice failed product 12 months out can only go one way.