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Offline JC

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2009, 05:52:09 PM »
Something more than a little 'sus' about that bike/add. No VIN. Questionable if its genuine VR. Not real good pics. Looks like wrong seat, rear suspension, rear frame loop. Could be converted enduro 'bitza'.

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2009, 06:13:53 PM »
Would it be pre '75 legal with VB forks as described? I doubt it.
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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2009, 07:34:58 PM »
why dont some one ask for more details about the numbers and better pics  easy solved if he would give them   

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2009, 07:39:10 PM »
MONTESA VB FORKS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR PRE75 CLASSES.

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2009, 07:46:40 PM »
i tried to make it a bit bigger ;)

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2009, 07:52:01 PM »

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2009, 07:57:58 PM »
The engine is a VR crinckle cut fin model and they started in 1974, forks are wrong, seats is wrong, pipe is wrong but it could have been messed around with, frame looks right, wheels are right, tank is off a 1973 model.
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« Last Edit: January 01, 2009, 08:01:33 PM by albrid-3 »

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2009, 08:00:59 PM »
the forks stick through the top clamps along way

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2009, 08:08:51 PM »
The Eng. No. is 73M0739
                                                                 Frame No.  73M5421

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2009, 08:44:45 PM »
Looks to be an early VR (tank, rear fender mounts on the side, and front solid motor mount)
Later 74 topend.  modified VR seat (yikes!) Pipe looks odd.  Can't tell if it even has an airbox!
1976 VA forks (square sliders, tubes up thru the top clamp)
Looks like a trials pattern rear tire.

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2009, 08:56:46 PM »
i am with jared on this one
va front end (not pre 75 legal) :o
vr frame and swingarm and tank (73) 8)
modified seat yuk ::)
pipe yuk ::)
and it does look suspect in the airbox department ::)
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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2009, 09:32:44 AM »
Numbers Paul posted indicate early engine & late frame. Perhaps they're wrong way round.  Mudcatcher rims also indicate early rolling chassis. Sure is a bitza.

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2009, 09:47:42 AM »
seat looks to be monoshock DT175 with the front bit chopped/trimmed back a touch.
"flat bickie"

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2009, 09:52:45 AM »
those number are what he sent me as is ;)

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2009, 10:34:37 AM »
It's definitely not legal with those forks. I sure hope they weren't in it when it "Placed 2nd in Aussie Classic Titles awhile back ".. If they were, I'd be a little disapointed if I'd come third! I wonder who passed it in scrutineering, Not me I hope. :-\ Going by the back tyre it's been used for Dirt Track.
The severely shortened Preston Petty Tony D front fender and Yamaha seat don't do the bike any favours either.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2009, 10:36:39 AM by firko »

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2009, 10:57:03 AM »
It's definitely not legal with those forks. I sure hope they weren't in it when it "Placed 2nd in Aussie Classic Titles awhile back ".. If they were, I'd be a little disapointed if I'd come third! I wonder who passed it in scrutineering, Not me I hope. :-\ Going by the back tyre it's been used for Dirt Track.
The severely shortened Preston Petty Tony D front fender and Yamaha seat don't do the bike any favours either.

Id say its a flat track bike, and what the owner is talking about is classic flat track titles, therefore I don't see how suspension is an advantage  ???, if anything NO rear suspension and very little front would be more of advantage, I think you blokes are caught up in VMX land and the owner is a flat tracker..... ;)

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2009, 11:12:16 AM »
Perhaps.

But the point is that its a real bitza & not much of a 'looker' for a a starting bid of $2500

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2009, 12:43:14 PM »
is that kick stand factory Montesa ?

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2009, 12:58:05 PM »
Perhaps.

But the point is that its a real bitza & not much of a 'looker' for a a starting bid of $2500

Couldn't agree more, in fact I think $250 is too much for an old Monty..... ;D

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2009, 06:12:50 PM »

I like how complete and original the bike is with only one owner since 197whatever.
it's only on there because of the other genuine VR 250, the owner thinks whoever misses out will buy his

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2009, 08:54:47 PM »
 i asked for more pics and they have been add to listing ;)

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2009, 11:11:07 PM »
this from the owner


Hi again Paul ! Thankyou for the forum comments . Some guys do rave on !!
Of course the seat and mudguards are not Montesa . The pipe is one I made up myself and is one of the reasons the bike performs like a bullet . If the forks don't suit the purists that is unfortunate . They are from a 360 that Barry sold me later .
I bought this bike from Barry Ryan in 1974 and raced it with his support .
I do remember being T boned once and knocked over in sand and the throttle jammed open with a resulting rod through the cases . Barry gave me another motor so that is probably why the numbers do not match .
The original head was the straight thick finned one.
 The wheels are original .
You would not want to use original rear shocks anyway as they were hopeless .
Hope this anwers some of the sceptics . Please post this on the Forum if you wish .
Any one out there who knows me ( I raced for 47 years ) will know I would not intentionally try to hood wink anyone .
Kind regards - Bob Robertson .

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2009, 07:33:05 AM »
Call me an honest old fool , but i would like all that info on the original listing without having to tease it out bit by bit....God i must have too much of a conscience for the likes of ebay.

Sandy

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2009, 08:01:26 AM »
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Id say its a flat track bike, and what the owner is talking about is classic flat track titles, therefore I don't see how suspension is an advantage
I agree Darren but "rules is rules" and the dirt trackers run under the same 7" and 4" rule that the motocrossers do so therefore it'd be ilegal on both the travel and the '75/76 era of the forks.
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If the forks don't suit the purists that is unfortunate . They are from a 360 that Barry sold me later .
It's unfortunate alright if some poor newbie buys the bike and then gets knocked back in scrutineering for having the wrong forks. He's then up for the expense of righting a wrong that he should have been told about in the original ad.

« Last Edit: January 03, 2009, 03:41:44 PM by firko »

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Re: another vr 250 ebay
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2009, 09:31:01 AM »
Yeh, good point about the forks Mark.

Despite the explanations, qualifications & corrections eventually extracted it still seems to me to be a rough bitza for a 2.5K starting bid. Home made sidepanels come to light in extra pics. So does non-original (& questionable??) ex header-manifold joint. Had it been 1.5K & more accurately described, no doubt I/we wouldn't be so particular.