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2019 Australian 3 Day Vintage Enduro
« on: December 01, 2018, 11:43:48 AM »
Read the latest info about the 2019 Australian 3 Day Vintage Enduro (A3VE) below:

Date & location: May 23-26, 2019, Blackwood, Victoria.

Aim: to run a vintage friendly event suitable for older bikes and riders, to determine the best in class through special tests and the ability to maintain an old motorcycle and ride to predetermined time schedule between checkpoints.

This event is a competitive Vintage Enduro, featuring the following classes:
V1 Pre-1976; all capacities, all ages.
V2 Pre-1980; all capacities, riders up to 45 years old and riders over 45 years old.
V3 Pre-1984; all capacities, riders up to 45 years old and riders over 45 years old.
V4 Pre-1988; all capacities, riders up to 45 years old and riders over 45 years old.
Clubmen Class (non-competitive), any pre-1988 motorcycle (not scored at the Special Tests)

Awards: Gold, Silver and Bronze medals for V1, V2, V3 & V4 riders within 10% (gold) and 25% (silver) of the fastest riders time in that class and for bronze within 60 minutes late. Up to 150km of vintage friendly trail on days 1,2 & 3, with a Day 3 final grass track moto. One grass track special test per loop.

Route checks: An Enduro test at the end of each loop just before the Parc Ferme. Refuel is at the Parc Ferme. Flipcard timing at controls as well as digital clocks and special test timing with Richard Gates company (AORC, A4DE etc). Interstate 4-man Trophy Team Award.

Three-man Expert Club Team Award.Clubmen riders pay half the Expert entry and can nominate to ride 1, 2 or 3 days. Finishers medal only if riders complete all 3 days without houring out. Clubman Riders do not ride the special tests but then hand in their card at days end for manual upload.

Identification: Expert riders red number plate backgrounds, white numbers. Clubman riders yellow, black numbers. Classes delineated by number and letter.

Timetable:
* Thursday: scrutineering and sign in, sound check etc. Impound/Parc Ferme open to take bikes. Closed 5pm.
* Friday: scrutineering and sign in, sound check etc. Impound/Parc Ferme open to take bikes up until 12 noon. 12 noon riders briefing, 12:30 start in class order, 3 per minute. Riders cover two loops of 50ks, total 100 plus 2 special tests, anticipated time taken – 4 hours.
* Saturday: Start time 9am. Riders cover three loops of 50ks, total 150 plus 3 special tests, anticipated time taken – 6.5 hours.
* Sunday: Start time 9am. Riders cover two loops of 50ks, total 100 plus 2 special tests, anticipated time taken – 4 hours and the Final Moto on top of that.
Note, each morning between 8-9am there will be scrutineering for Clubmen who decide to enter for that day only.

Headquarters: Recreation Oval Rooms, Cricket Pavilion. Possible Saturday Dinner and possible Sunday Presentation in the Hall. Jury meeting in the Hall. Scoring HQ in the Hall.

Services: Mobile phone coverage (Telstra only), the BW Pub, Post Office/convenience store and the Providore. No fuel available. Ballan is 25 minutes away, Trentham 20 mins, Greendale Pub 15 mins.

Accommodation: BW Caravan Park and the Special School (officials only), camping allowed on the Recreation Oval, all venues with full facilities. Private B&Bs & rentals available.

Parc Ferme: Tennis Court abutting the Rec Oval. Possibly the Rec Oval.

Final Moto: A property just out of town or the paddock opposite the Rec Oval over the Lerderderg River.The Course: Limitless trails. Interesting but not intimidating. Talk to someone who rode the recent BW Vinduro, this loop will be loop 1 Day 1 – the riders loved it.

Special tests: Enduro one beside the Special School, the rest TBA on private property.

Fee structure: TBA, possibly $300 Expert, $150 Clubmen no matter how many days ridden. MA $75 One Event Comp licence required if no MA Comp Licence.

Entries: the TryBooking system.

Supplementary Regulations: will be out in January.

Please note: All details subject to change.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2018, 09:55:31 AM by VERi »

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Re: 2019 Australian 3 Day Vintage Enduro
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2018, 03:16:06 AM »
Why pre88 why not pre95 as in  MA post classic MX etc.  Our vinduro club in WA is pre95, or is this just based on VERi club criteria.   Isn't one of the other vinduro club something like pre93

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Re: 2019 Australian 3 Day Vintage Enduro
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2018, 01:09:18 PM »
As the event is run by VERi and it is a pre'88 club.

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Re: 2019 Australian 3 Day Vintage Enduro
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2018, 01:30:19 PM »
So if that's the case it's not the Australian 3 day vintage enduro it is the VERi 3 day vintage enduro

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Re: 2019 Australian 3 Day Vintage Enduro
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2018, 03:17:15 PM »
As far as I know the classes for the FIM ISDE Vintage Trophy were used as a starting point, and adjusted slightly. I believe these same FIM rules were used for the vintage bikes at the A4DE this year as well, and there wasn’t a pre 95 class there either.

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Re: 2019 Australian 3 Day Vintage Enduro
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2018, 06:35:33 PM »
There are no rules for vinduro in the current MoMS, although there was talk a year or so ago of a faction preparing a set to be presented to MA for consideration as a national title event. Not sure if they were presented to the enduro commission or not, although it seems they weren't.
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Re: 2019 Australian 3 Day Vintage Enduro
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2018, 07:57:25 PM »
another classic case of "you cant please everyone" I hope the event is successful and becomes an anual event

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Re: 2019 Australian 3 Day Vintage Enduro
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2018, 08:02:44 PM »
In my experience, there are few who take it seriously enough to require MoMS referenceing.

Not taking away from the guys who do take it seriously, more power to their arm, but if the average punter with an old dunger out for a ride with his mates gets short shifted, I can see a negative outcome.

Yes, I know we are mobile roadblocks and may impact your time, but it isnt racing for sheepstations.

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Re: 2019 Australian 3 Day Vintage Enduro
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2018, 08:46:18 PM »
I agree with all comments made before and good luck to the event in the context in which it is being run.  It just excludes those who ride a bike within the definition of classic etc, and is based on one clubs interpretation without (as far as I know) consultation with other clubs who are purely vinduro clubs and then are given the right to call the event "Australian", in a event that does not have any form of classification.  Seeing as the event is running under MA, MoMs must be applied in some context.  Seeing as vinduros are not recognised, then are bikes to be as per enduro bikes within MoMs.  I would love (as a club) to have been brought into the conversation regarding the classification of classes.

You turn an event into a competitive event MoMs definitely come into the equation.

Do not get me wrong this is a great step forward and I hope it is a resounding success, it's just a pity that some of us will not be able to ride our bikes, because of the restrictive nature of the classes.   Oh and I am a mobile chicane on my bike

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Re: 2019 Australian 3 Day Vintage Enduro
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2018, 09:08:25 PM »
Vinduro clubs in the country run their cut-off date in many different ways
The Four Day this year ran the Vintage class to FIM specs which is Pre86
There was a lot of interest in this event and so VERi have decided to cater to those that may be interested in another
VERi have tweaked the classes up to Pre 88 which is within the VERi charter.
VERi are running the event as an open event and welcome anyone in Australia (or even the world) to enter and as any club running an open we have decided to run our event our way.
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Re: 2019 Australian 3 Day Vintage Enduro
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2018, 09:37:34 AM »
Just cant win can you. I think this is a awsome step forward for the Vinduro comunity. VERI are running the meet and have decided its pre88...simple as that. (Im down with pre 95) but its not about just me. Get a pre88 bike and join in the fun or you can always run your own event.

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Re: 2019 Australian 3 Day Vintage Enduro
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2018, 10:50:14 AM »
The Motor Cycling Australia 2019 Calender has this event listed as a 3 Day Vintage Enduro , not the Australian 3 Day Vintage Enduro. Can someone clarify this.
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Re: 2019 Australian 3 Day Vintage Enduro
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2018, 11:16:48 AM »
Just cant win can you. I think this is a awsome step forward for the Vinduro comunity. VERI are running the meet and have decided its pre88...simple as that. (Im down with pre 95) but its not about just me. Get a pre88 bike and join in the fun or you can always run your own event.

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Re: 2019 Australian 3 Day Vintage Enduro
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2018, 12:37:40 PM »
It’s been pointed out that there are no vinduro rules in the MoMS, and as far as I know all clubs running vinduros in Australia at the moment are doing them on a non-competitive basis, so individual clubs can make whatever call they like regarding eligibility for those. Even if vinduro regulations are added to the MoMS this will probably have no impact on non-competitive vinduros.

With no Australian vinduro competition regulations in place the FIM rules that have been used previously at the ISDE and A4DE for vintage purposes seem a logical place to start.  As previously mentioned, VERi has chosen to run with slightly modified version of these.

BTW, flow on models that are currently accepted at VERi events, will be ok for the A3VE.

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Re: 2019 Australian 3 Day Vintage Enduro
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2018, 08:49:16 AM »
Woo Hoo, blackwood is a great ride. time to start training! beer intake up by 25% more car travel than walking. no push biking, bakery visits to be increased...well under way ;D