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Offline FAT-TOY

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Quality steel
« on: September 26, 2018, 06:11:33 PM »

   I have made myself a couple of wooden planes, ( the woodworking type )  I had a small piece of steel that could be hardened, so I made one blade from it, and the second plane I used an old chisel for the blade.  The problem is that I want to make a couple more larger  block planes but I am having heaps of trouble finding the grade of steel I need, (1075 or 1084 are the best for this job).  The knife making people on line will sell me knife blanks or some small offcuts, but they want to much money.  I used to have a couple of old plane steels but they are long gone, or I could have used them.  There is some of these blades on ebay for about $15 each but the postage on them also makes them to expensive.  So any ideas on where I might pick up some steel, preferably in the Newcastle / Hunter Valley region.
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Re: Quality steel
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2018, 06:58:30 PM »
isnt Newcastle the steel capital of Oz??

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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2018, 07:23:58 PM »
What about Hales Tool and Die they stock silver steel capable of being hardened and tempered at home ?

I make taps and dies and drills (D Bits etc) from it

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Re: Quality steel
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2018, 08:49:44 PM »
  Had a call from a mate and he suggested that I get one of the worn out concrete cutting blades and cut them from it. So now the hunt is on for one.
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Re: Quality steel
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2018, 08:50:24 PM »
Old tools at the markets second hand, you can pull them  apart and make what you want from them. jimson
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Re: Quality steel
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2018, 09:40:43 PM »
im keen to start my own political party...to get rid of politicians..(short term job) we should have a bunch of business heads running the joint, get rid of all these hangeronerers and lobbyists....once the pollies are out, plenty of cash to pay the team to avoid corruption. would be simple...have elected (non payed) pollies to make reccomendation to the team...shimples

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Re: Quality steel
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2018, 09:58:17 PM »
interesting that politicians and TOOLS on the same thread. Coincedence????

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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2018, 10:46:31 PM »
 I remember reading that Australia is a country where anyone can grow up and become Prime Minister, that appears to be true.
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Re: Quality steel
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2018, 12:49:40 AM »
Old Brobo blade would be more than good Zane- usually tool steel.

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Re: Quality steel
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2018, 08:00:30 AM »
Good idea Momus i may be able to get one but im in Melbourne Zane
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2018, 09:05:36 AM »
I have a a broken Brobo blade here (Doh) your welcome to for the cost of postage, I'm guessing $13.80
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Re: Quality steel
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2018, 10:12:00 AM »
That's no guess, Geoff.
$13 or 14 acceptable only

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Re: Quality steel
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2018, 10:44:17 AM »
You could use mower blades or even car leaf springs. Most older cars had multi leaf rear springs that will harden quite well.

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Re: Quality steel
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2018, 12:39:10 PM »
chase a well established earthmover, he will have some worn out grader blades or points lying around, they are bloody hard.

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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2018, 07:52:14 PM »
Yes Marcus the Brobo is perfect for this job and I have one on the way along with a diamond concrete cutting blade, both around 14 inches.
thanks Hoony and Geoff but I hope that these 2 will be enough to get the planes made.
I have some spring steel and a offcut from a loader blade, but they are both to heavy for this project. I don't want to have to setup my forge to make the blades when I can get the thickness I need ready to use.
  I will put up a couple of photos when I get these last 2 made.
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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2018, 12:22:47 PM »
chase a well established earthmover, he will have some worn out grader blades or points lying around, they are bloody hard.

Funny you should say that, there is some at Tivoli Raceway that have been used as fence posts for years.
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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2018, 08:01:59 PM »
Well I have finally finished a few planes and also made myself a jointer from an old electric plane.

 This is a Chisel Plane made from cypress and jarrah and the blade was made from a saw blade which had to be heat treated and then tempered


A Rebate Plane made from Ironbark and Cypress Pine and I used an old wood chisel for the blade.



This is a  wooden Block Plane which was made from different coloured cypress laminated to give it a cool look.  The blade was cut from a tool steel blade, and some other bits machined from brass.




This one is a Router Plane, not sure of the type of timber but it is very heavy.  The L shaped blade in this plane is made from a 10mm allen key with the bottom sharpened.



This is the Jointer used for flattening and squaring timber, useful machine, works great.



After making the blades for these tools they were all sharpened using diamond stones from 150 grit to 3000 grit and are all like razors.
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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2018, 08:17:40 PM »
great work, must be very satisfying to see the end result.

love a good project. well done.
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Re: Quality steel
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2018, 01:38:43 AM »
Good work Zane. I reckon that piece of timber you used for the router might be lignum vitae.

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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2018, 10:10:32 AM »
Agree, very nice work Zane, I'm even more impressed as I don't do wood

Hope these tools don't turn up as an ALDI special buy next week ;D
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Re: Quality steel
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2018, 08:13:04 PM »
Marcus I have no idea what type of timber it is, but it is much more dense, and heavier than any other piece of timber I have.
Geoff I don't care if they do get them at Aldi, it's satisfying to make a tool and have it work the way it should.  The laminated plane works really good.  You realise that they didn't stop making the wooden planes because the performance was not as good as the metal planes, it was just that the metal was much quicker and easier to produce.
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« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2018, 09:18:15 PM »
"it's satisfying to make a tool and have it work the way it should."
I'm hearing you, I have made a few bits and pieces over the years although some a bit more crude than your work.
A pair of dividers I made from stainless that don't flex like the 'bought' ones, made in my apprenticeship and still used to this day.



"You realise that they didn't stop making the wooden planes because the performance was not as good as the metal planes, it was just that the metal was much quicker and easier to produce."

Same as my belief behind aluminium frames
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Re: Quality steel
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2018, 10:41:44 PM »
Marcus I have no idea what type of timber it is, but it is much more dense, and heavier than any other piece of timber I have.
Geoff I don't care if they do get them at Aldi, it's satisfying to make a tool and have it work the way it should.  The laminated plane works really good.  You realise that they didn't stop making the wooden planes because the performance was not as good as the metal planes, it was just that the metal was much quicker and easier to produce.
   Zane

My dad taught woodwork and was fascinated by the stuff. He said, proudly, that Australian iron wood was the most dense and hardest wood out there but as far as commercial timber, lignum vitae from South America was it. He had a piece and it looks like your block. Pommy bobbies truncheons were lignum vitae and I believe they made ship pulley sheaves from it for it's strength and resistance to rot.