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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2017, 05:27:58 PM »
Mike your Can Am Sonic is perfectly legal for Pre82 as it has been for the last two years and is legal for the Evolution class as set out in the MOMS. The bike is identical to the 1981 model except for stickers.

Pre82 is just a name to allow the historically correct interpretation, at least as far as Heaven VMX is concerned, to be used.

You need to ignore virtually all of this thread. The only accurate post is Brad's

Every single Pre82 bike is legal for the Evolution class as shown in the MOMS but Evolution bikes that use parts from linkage, water cooled and/or disc brake models are not eligible for Pre82. It is that simple. Machines that continued drum brakes, none linkage suspension and air cooled engines past 1981 are considered carry over models. Eg 1982 IT 250/465 or Huskies etc. 1980/81 models that have water cooled engines and/or linkage suspension are excluded disc brakes were not an issue in 1981.

This has been done to death and Heaven VMX as a club decided that the interpretation of evolution currently embraced by MA is not historically correct. Therefore Pre82 (for want of a better name) was introduced at Heaven VMX and another large Queensland VMX club. The MA Commission have personally indicated to me that this is completely OK and is not an issue.

Given that this thread now seems to be a play for your patronage there is plenty of racing at Heaven VMX to go this year. Hope to see you at Dargle on your lovely Metisse ;) along with the Sonic. 8 races for $70 although I didn't realise this was an auction site :P

This is our one and only post on this thread.
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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2017, 06:04:14 AM »
if you wanted to have a support class at club level for Deckson Daredevils or anything else then I would personally indicate that this is completely OK and not an issue
so right of centre that the left ceased to be relevant eons ago.

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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2017, 08:45:54 AM »
No auction, just an invitation.

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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2017, 11:46:30 AM »
Mike your Can Am Sonic is perfectly legal for Pre82 as it has been for the last two years and is legal for the Evolution class as set out in the MOMS. The bike is identical to the 1981 model except for stickers.

Pre82 is just a name to allow the historically correct interpretation, at least as far as Heaven VMX is concerned, to be used.

You need to ignore virtually all of this thread. The only accurate post is Brad's

Every single Pre82 bike is legal for the Evolution class as shown in the MOMS but Evolution bikes that use parts from linkage, water cooled and/or disc brake models are not eligible for Pre82. It is that simple. Machines that continued drum brakes, none linkage suspension and air cooled engines past 1981 are considered carry over models. Eg 1982 IT 250/465 or Huskies etc. 1980/81 models that have water cooled engines and/or linkage suspension are excluded disc brakes were not an issue in 1981.

This has been done to death and Heaven VMX as a club decided that the interpretation of evolution currently embraced by MA is not historically correct. Therefore Pre82 (for want of a better name) was introduced at Heaven VMX and another large Queensland VMX club. The MA Commission have personally indicated to me that this is completely OK and is not an issue.

Given that this thread now seems to be a play for your patronage there is plenty of racing at Heaven VMX to go this year. Hope to see you at Dargle on your lovely Metisse ;) along with the Sonic. 8 races for $70 although I didn't realise this was an auction site :P

This is our one and only post on this thread.

"Pre 82 ( for want of a better name )"

At the first meeting ( 2015 Conondale Classic ) that the Pre 82 concept was run it was called Twinshock with no confusion whatsoever. Why the naming was changed to Pre 82 is beyond me
81 YZ 465 H   77 RM 125 B   86 IT 200 S

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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2017, 06:10:31 PM »
ive got a rockhopper and a grassgrub
dave ,can they race with the deckson 

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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2017, 08:20:35 AM »
not sure the clutch would survive but Im up for it  8)
so right of centre that the left ceased to be relevant eons ago.

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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2017, 11:39:13 AM »
It would be simple to classify this era/class as Twin-Shock.
Being Air-cooled, no linkage, drum brakes, conventional forks (no upside down).
Then you can mix up any part from any era with any bike as long as it meets this simple criteria. It could not be any easier to regulate and police. Make it a class to be creative.
Those that want to cheque book it can and those that want to be creative can also. Those chasing sheep stations still need to twist the throttle.

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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2017, 12:42:30 PM »
It would be simple to classify this era/class as Twin-Shock.
Being Air-cooled, no linkage, drum brakes, conventional forks (no upside down).
Then you can mix up any part from any era with any bike as long as it meets this simple criteria. It could not be any easier to regulate and police. Make it a class to be creative.
Those that want to cheque book it can and those that want to be creative can also. Those chasing sheep stations still need to twist the throttle.
You haven't put forward  anything new here. That's what most of Europe does. Not a fan myself of bastardising bikes to meet a very loose criteria. None of the other classes we have do that. Why is evo so special?

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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2017, 01:51:48 PM »
You pretty well answered your own statement - "most of europe do it" and the reason is simple - it eliminates any ambiguity and everyone gets on with racing/riding - not arguing about what is correct or not.
Keep the rules for Pre 78 and before as its fairly straight forward as to what is correct or not and then open this class up. Everything after this era is basically a modern bike and shouldn't be mixed up on a "vintage" track.

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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2017, 05:10:59 PM »
What Brad is getting at is in Europe people are taking linkage bikes & welding shock mounts to the frame & swingarm, using late 90s conventional forks with brackets to anchor brake plates.
I've even seen hubs machined to run a DLS brake plate on each side of the front wheel
Would you really like seeing a class of these bikes running at a VMX event? Sure Evo isn't perfect but at least the bikes actually existed back in the early 80s

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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2017, 08:31:27 PM »
What Tony said.
All I did say was that your 'revolation' already exists elsewhere 
Bastardising bikes isn't a priority in my book.
Nor is it an answer imo