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Offline scottm

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VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« on: June 29, 2017, 07:29:43 PM »
Lets sort this out here and now.

My opnion is

PRE 75 PRE 80 PRE 85 ETC ETC.
Simple for the dummies

go for it , and why /
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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2017, 07:37:06 PM »
Cat got your tounge /
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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2017, 07:40:44 PM »
It's been done to death now and no one gives a shit really...

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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2017, 07:56:47 PM »
Really ?

What was the outcome of this "done to death" topic...

Because I notice the heading of this community was OzVMX.

Is there anyone on here from M.A.? M,Q,? M. N.S.W.?..........

I know I would like to here there views , since they take our money for entries and I havnt seen what they put back into V.M.X.

When did our governing body tip into a V.M.X. event ?

They make up the rules , but never answer the questions so many have asked.

And I don't mean to quote chapter and verse of the rules.

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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2017, 12:53:04 AM »
Having 5 year eligiblity windows doesn't work for parity due the exponential development that occurred in the '70s.

It's actually quite incredible. From a '74 CR125 (air cooled, 6 inches? Of poorly damped suspension)
7 years later all the Japanese 125s were water cooled with linkage rear suspension matched to (43mm?) forks with 12" travel.

The revolutions continued with disc brakes, power valves and USD forks.

What design change have we seen on MX bikes in the last 7 years?

As someone's slogan says. "It's just old bike racing FFS".

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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2017, 07:16:26 AM »
The original structure of the classes was a good way to start but suggest that things have moved on since they were defined. Seems to me it's time the question is asked, does the current class racing structure provide the best outcome for everyone?

Given that you can only fit so many races in a day, less year brackets and the addition of graded races would make for more realistic and better racing I reckon. For example, a 78 bike would probably have been raced against an 83 bike if that was all the bloke had. Furthermore, a good rider will beat a newer bike most every time (apart from at the pointy end of the performance spectrum where 95% of us don't fit).

Hindsight is 20/20 of course and we're probably past the point of being able to change things to much. And the current system does work well for the most part. But its worth talking about these things as some tweaking can make good things better.

So how 'bout 3 technology classes (say short travel, evolution and disc/water/linkage eras), with A, B, C and Novice grades?

All it would take is for a single club to run it as an experiment for one meeting. Popularity would then determine whether it should continue in that format or not.

And then there's my pet project - over 100kgs on under 125cc.  8)
« Last Edit: June 30, 2017, 07:26:42 AM by Tony Two Times »
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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2017, 11:47:53 AM »
Really ?

What was the outcome of this "done to death" topic...

Because I notice the heading of this community was OzVMX.

Is there anyone on here from M.A.? M,Q,? M. N.S.W.?..........

I know I would like to here there views , since they take our money for entries and I havnt seen what they put back into V.M.X.

When did our governing body tip into a V.M.X. event ?

They make up the rules , but never answer the questions so many have asked.

And I don't mean to quote chapter and verse of the rules.

Maybe the Commission through MA don't answer questions because you're not asking them correctly.

Please note all correspondence to the Commissions must go through the MA office. 

MA does not monitor every FB page or forum so it can answer questions.

Have you read (and responded to) the Commission minutes from this year's meeting.  Maybe it is also time to ask your SCB if they have a Classic MX/DT rep on their subcommittees (MX & DT).
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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2017, 06:16:09 PM »
Really ?

What was the outcome of this "done to death" topic...

Because I notice the heading of this community was OzVMX.

Is there anyone on here from M.A.? M,Q,? M. N.S.W.?..........

I know I would like to here there views , since they take our money for entries and I havnt seen what they put back into V.M.X.

When did our governing body tip into a V.M.X. event ?

They make up the rules , but never answer the questions so many have asked.

And I don't mean to quote chapter and verse of the rules.

You don't get "outcomes" from a forum....you get discussion that's all.
If you want change, speak to the organisation that regulates change, follow the process they set down, then you get outcomes......although it may not be the one you want.

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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2017, 10:05:45 PM »
      A lot of people just can't seem to come to terms with the concept of a technology based class . The air cooled motor , drum brakes and no linkage rules for Evolution class seem pretty simple to me , but just needs clear guidelines on the eligible components that can be used . Doing away with Evolution class would leave a lot of currently raced bikes obsolete , such as YZ250/465 G & H Yamahas , '80 to '84 twin shock Huskys , Maico Mega 1 & 2s , Can Am MX6s , '80 & '81 KTMs and Honda '80 model CRs . Naming a class as pre '82 seems like a pretty dumb idea to me , seeing that none of the Japanese '81 model MXers would be eligible , except for for the Yamaha YZ250 and YZ465 .
      But a pre '80 class also has some appeal to me and would bring more bikes out that are not often seen , such as Yamaha YZ E & F models , Maico Magnums , Suzuki RM C & N models , Can Am MX4 & 5s , '78 & '79 KTMs , KX Kawasaki A4 & A5s and  '78 & '79 Huskys . If the Evolution class has moved to be run with post classic classes at the nationals , then maybe there is room for a 'pre '80 class at the classic nationals . I have a couple of '79 Maico MC440 Magnums and a '79 Husky CR390 , all in bits , that would be worth putting back together for a pre '80 class . But really , there can only be a limited number of classes to fit into a day's racing , without having the length of races being too short .
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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2017, 05:15:18 PM »
Tony. Brisbane MCC recently ran the "Harrisville T-T (Tri- Trak) along similar lines to your suggestion. We ran A B C D grades regardless of bike era based on previous lap times as one round.
Age of rider races regardless of bike era was another round.
Bike capacitiy regardless of era was another round
Bike era regardless of capacity was another round.
The result was riders got more races on one machine, mixed with different riders in the different rounds, and in most cases with the age and grade races race with riders of similar ability.
We then held the Qld Classic and Evolution Championship along conventional lines a month later
The T-T was a great success and brought the average punters into the spotlight
We are Using a similar format for our "SPRINGTIME SPRINT meeting in September.

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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2017, 05:50:38 PM »
Scott, it is an interesting issue "MA or in our case MQ dont put anything into the sport"
In 2013 when Canberra pulled out of running the Classic Nationals, MA canvassed clubs to seek a replacement. I can't speak for other states, but MQ asked both Brisbane metropolitan clubs if they would take it on. The committees of both clubs declined which is perfectly their right to do so.
MQ then approached a small group from within the Brisbane MCC to run it under the banner of MQ with that body underwriting the costs and providing some office assistance. Their rationale being that it is too important an event to be allowed to fail.
We went ahead and the event was a success.
The interesting thing was that when promotion started, sup regs published etc the key people in both clubs having rejected the opportunity to host the event then criticised MQ for stepping outside their role and th

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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2017, 06:05:56 PM »
Sorry fat fingers. Point being that one time they put into our sport in a positive way and saved the day, they still got flack from people who benefited from that initiative. Figure that out. I had/have issues with the management of our sport, but give credit where it's due.

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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2017, 09:41:02 AM »
It has been done to death on here ( try the search option )
IMO times are changing and as we get older winning is not as important I dont have to buy a bike just because it the most likely to win I now buy and race what stirs the soul and gives me the most fun and I dont give a F#ck where I finish.
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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2017, 11:31:33 AM »
It has been done to death on here ( try the search option )
IMO times are changing and as we get older winning is not as important I dont have to buy a bike just because it the most likely to win I now buy and race what stirs the soul and gives me the most fun and I dont give a F#ck where I finish.

I don't give a F#ck where I finish until someone passes me who I think I should be in front off.  I like getting a good start (easy on a 490 Maico) and then take it from there.  At the Queensland Champs when they started the Pre 75 125 with us in one start I thought it was funny when a 125 went by me in the corner.  I had great pleasure blowing him away on the straight.  I then slowed up and let him back by.  Putting together a whole races becomes harder as you get older.
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Re: VMX ........... PRE 82 or EVO or pre 80 or pre 85
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2017, 04:05:44 PM »
so if someone would humour me for a minute... are there some evo bikes that dont qualify for evo racing? As in a pre 81 japanese mx'er not qualifying for pre 82?? What the FAQ? Can you run it in another (later) period class? 

I presume there are additional technology rules in play?

Like others I am old and dont give a rats about where I place but simply want to get out there on my favorite old bike and run it as hard as I can.

Fortunately in WA it seems if you are a veteran you can run any bike you like (even moderns) at classic MX events
What are you waiting for? You are faster than this. Don't think you are... know you are.