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Maico 700cc.
« on: October 01, 2016, 09:56:31 AM »
Not VMX. Just saw a pic of a 2015 Maico 700cc 2 stroke MX bike. Are they making them? It would be a weapon.
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Re: Maico 700cc.
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2016, 10:40:48 AM »
They have been around for some time now. Nothing new really.

Also look up the 700cc ATK
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Re: Maico 700cc.
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2016, 02:32:06 PM »
You can get similar size CR500 upgrade cylinders

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Re: Maico 700cc.
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2016, 03:25:26 PM »
The newer Maicos seem to exist only as internet memes - lots of talk, but actual buyers/owners are impossible to find.
 I wonder if you could actually get one, even if you didn't have a better way to spend the cash.
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Re: Maico 700cc.
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2016, 03:35:59 PM »
You can get similar size CR500 upgrade cylinders

Really? Madness, yet appealing.

Like many aging man children who have hit their heads once too often; I have long had a place in my heart for a CR500AF. (E.g. Service Honda) I think it's a case of nostalgia and wishful thinking v reality.

Interestingly MXA said the latest MX 250 2 strokes from KTM/Husqvarna might be too powerful. (They can be tamed somewhat with the power valve.)
I read another report where a 300 conversion on a KTM SX250 (pre 2016 model) was returned for "de tuning"! (Apparently using an enduro spec barrel and maybe ignition timing is recommended for anyone below world championship speed who desires an open class 2 stroke MXr.)

I guess 2 strokes would be even more advanced if they hadn't been killed off by class rules in many disciplines.

My next bike is likely to be one of the new 300 2T Enduro bikes. Can't beat the light weight and the exciting but predictable power delivery (no random 4 stroke hiccups.)

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Re: Maico 700cc.
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2016, 03:38:56 PM »
go for a folan 1000 (a twin shock husky with two 500 engines joined together) some footage on youtube

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Re: Maico 700cc.
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2016, 04:39:27 PM »
You would think those 700cc 2T's would be good for something like the Baja or Finke but i have not seen one in the top placings at all. Maybe they are too much of a handful for even those events?
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Re: Maico 700cc.
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2016, 05:41:20 PM »
They should have very wide power bands, maybe they only need two gears, fwd and reverse?

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Re: Maico 700cc.
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2016, 06:45:53 PM »
husky auto!!! how good would a 1000 cc auto be

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Re: Maico 700cc.
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2016, 10:23:51 PM »
Twin cylinder dirt bikes never work. Adventure bikes are as dirt-worthy as twins get.
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Re: Maico 700cc.
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2016, 09:02:32 AM »
husky auto!!! how good would a 1000 cc auto be

Hondas new Africa Twin has an auto transmission option available  :o
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Re: Maico 700cc.
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2016, 12:33:02 PM »
You can get similar size CR500 upgrade cylinders

Really? Madness, yet appealing.

Like many aging man children who have hit their heads once too often; I have long had a place in my heart for a CR500AF. (E.g. Service Honda) I think it's a case of nostalgia and wishful thinking v reality.

Interestingly MXA said the latest MX 250 2 strokes from KTM/Husqvarna might be too powerful. (They can be tamed somewhat with the power valve.)
I read another report where a 300 conversion on a KTM SX250 (pre 2016 model) was returned for "de tuning"! (Apparently using an enduro spec barrel and maybe ignition timing is recommended for anyone below world championship speed who desires an open class 2 stroke MXr.)

I guess 2 strokes would be even more advanced if they hadn't been killed off by class rules in many disciplines.

My next bike is likely to be one of the new 300 2T Enduro bikes. Can't beat the light weight and the exciting but predictable power delivery (no random 4 stroke hiccups.)
I have ridden both a CR500af and a genuine KTM 250sx with the 300 sx upgrade (on the same day) The 500 af although looks cool still has a motor that was designed for tracks of a bygone era with just to much power, and the 300sx was, as you said a monster, nearly as powerful as the 500, but with the 250 sx hit...happily handed it back and got on my 300 exc. A 300 exc with 250sx gear cluster would be the ultimate old fart mx bike.

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Re: Maico 700cc.
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2016, 01:24:30 PM »
The newer Maicos seem to exist only as internet memes - lots of talk, but actual buyers/owners are impossible to find.
 I wonder if you could actually get one, even if you didn't have a better way to spend the cash.

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Re: Maico 700cc.
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2016, 01:39:56 PM »
 Maico 700 the engine primarly is a Zabel wich was developed from the 1983/84 Maico 490 By Mr Koesler,
Mr Zabel's introduction to Maico was threw a side car team in 1984 with the maico brothers Otto Maisch and Wilhelm Maisch, Herman walgenbach of (HEWA fame) and co-developer of the Zabel 2 stroke tuned Maico's
Walter Netterschied (Rider) got a 2nd at the German Nationals and 14th at the GP World Championship (sidecar motocross) in 1984.
  the Zabel is mostly for GP Motocross sidecar application to this day and have won world championships from 1985 to the present day,
the engine baisicaly stayed the same until the  change in the mid nineties, even today some parts are interchangeable with the 1983 490 with the 700

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Re: Maico 700cc.
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2016, 02:59:02 PM »
Interesting comparison: 4T v 2T

KTM690
690cc 105mm bore x 80mm stroke x 1
73hp @ 7500 ("at the brochure"- 2017 model)

Maico 685cc 2 stroke race motor
685cc 100mm bore x 87mm stroke x 1
60kw@?? (80hp) (at the website. Dependent on installation.)

The 4 stroke is almost identical displacement. Only 9% down on claimed power (very rubbery figures, but close enough) while having 10 000 km service intervals and a power delivery that can be used in the carpark or the Dakar rally.

The 2 stroke would be lighter and not require a fuel pump.