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Vintage Class A4DE
« on: February 10, 2016, 02:25:48 PM »
Vintage Class for A4DE.
With the ISDE introducing a Vintage class for 2016 ( last two days, 30 year old bikes- tbc), I’m wondering what rider support there would be here for a similar arrangement for A4DE. I understand from Chris Bray, the 2016 organiser, that it was considered , but at this stage, not included it, mainly because they didn’t want to have a special course suitable for the vintage bikes. I wouldn’t have thought this was needed, more of an issue with the riders making it not the bikes. Cost might be an issue considering the entry for the full four day is around $700, plus comp license, transponder…..I imagine the entry for two days will still be a fair wack. Europe obviously has a healthy comp vinduro scene already, with enough numbers to support a Vintage ISDE class. He said if there is enough genuine interest to support the effort then it could go back on the table. What do you think?

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Re: Vintage Class A4DE
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2016, 02:43:16 PM »
I thought about this, having ridden the 4 day regular in my youth.
My first issue being. I was the second last rider one year and too say the course was a bit cut up and rough would be an understatement. So if the Vintage class is last off I would not ride.
Perfect would be if we used the course on different days ( but I bet this would make an man power issue)

Costs , If it's going to cost many thousands and I guess it's going to be not cheap , thats allot of bang for buck I can get elsewhere.
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Re: Vintage Class A4DE
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2016, 08:01:29 PM »
My 2 cents worth

Having ridden the 2014 four day in Masters at the tail end of the field as rider 217, I can tell you that any special tests, single trail or soft dirt (ie not hard pack) is fu#ked by the time you get to it, first time. Ruts, ruts and more ruts followed by whoops......you get the picture.

Then there is the amount of times you travel over the same piece of ground, by day three the depth of the ruts is amazing, you wouldn't think it possible to get a bike through them. The field might run through a piece of ground 6 or 7 times over the event. You spend your time taking alternate lines to jump over the ruts. Don't get me wrong, its not all doom and gloom, some riding is bound to be great, as it was in 2014. And yes, I could have ridden my Evo enduro bike around the circuit. Though I remember hitting a nasty v-dip on 2 separate days and thinking I'd be in orbit if I was on a vintage bike :)


Nathan made it in 2014 on his KDX, it would be interesting to get his perspective.

The entry fee is just a small part of the cost to ride a four day..... riding gear, tyres, parts, fuel, yarda yarda yarda. You can trail ride the cross country / sprint series, as a tail end Charlie, for reduced cost, they might offer that?

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Re: Vintage Class A4DE
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2016, 09:19:25 PM »
Really, it's a difficult proposition. The course cuts up badly, so you'd want to run at the front of the field, but that is not a realistic option for the organisers.
Similarly, the first two days would be better than the last two (depending on how the course was set out). This would mean missing out on the final moto.

The time schedule would have to be much looser for the typical Vinduro rider, especially if we ran at the back of the field.

I dunno. I just see the event as being too big and too inflexible to be easily modified to suit the typical/slightly harder edged Vinduro rider.
It's appeal to me is that it is a real challenge, and you're part of something big. I know I'm an outlier on the first, and shortening it takes away from the second.

I plan (but am not committed) to ride the 2016 event on my 88 KX125 (just to prove how brain damaged I am...).

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Re: Vintage Class A4DE
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2016, 01:38:11 PM »
Further thought:
Given the relatively poor response to club level competitive Vinduros, and how few Vinduroists compete in modern enduros, I would be surprised if there was enough interested parties to make this float.

I would LOVE to be wrong on this. I would love to be one of ten or fifteen lunatics ripping it up on old bikes. I'm just not sure that there's ten of us who have the desire AND the means (inc time off work, etc).
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2016, 10:27:32 PM »
All good comments- will be interested to see how it works at the six day. Here's some info just posted on the six day site-
http://www.fim-isde2016.es/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/vintage-trophy-regulations.pdf

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Re: Vintage Class A4DE
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2016, 10:35:36 PM »
ol mate and I were all set to do the four day this year on the 85 twin shocker husk's until they brought it forward from sept to May. im on a job that will still be going in may and its too soon to 1, get in shape, 2 rebuild the clutch and top end and 3 sort the details required tyres / chain and sprocks etc etc etc. was just going to go in the event and aim to finish.

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Re: Vintage Class A4DE
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2017, 07:08:02 PM »
Cessnock club has confirmed to
me via their Facebook page that they will be including a vintage class in the 2018 four day next Easter. Details to come.????

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Re: Vintage Class A4DE
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2017, 07:37:15 PM »
VERi has been in discussions with the organisers about a vintage class at the 2018 A4DE for a little while now.

We're pretty excited about this. More news to come as details are confirmed.

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Re: Vintage Class A4DE
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2017, 11:42:29 AM »
Vintage Entry cap is 50 riders- 38 remaining . Rider Over 45, bike pre 86.

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Re: Vintage Class A4DE
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2017, 08:18:40 PM »
im keen but need to check with her indoors who is away for the weekend...ill bet the 50 is up before she shows up >:(

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Re: Vintage Class A4DE
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2017, 10:09:57 AM »
$700  :-\ entry fee will pull up a few
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2017, 12:31:10 PM »
$700  :-\ entry fee will pull up a few

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Re: Vintage Class A4DE
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2017, 01:18:18 PM »
That does include a rego permit for the event, still spots are filling. They may get yo 50 starters. The format is looking interesting with slightly shorter days so you can watch some tests and do a few less miles.
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Re: Vintage Class A4DE
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2017, 01:19:17 PM »
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Ok the Regs are now available for the vintage class in next years A4DE in Cessnock, there hasn’t been much said so far regards this class from the club so far and for good reason in that that nothing had been confirmed, we knew what we wanted and what we now have is a very good workable compromise between all parties involved that pretty much allows everyone of or approaching a vintage age with what the FIM have ruled as a vintage bike can have a ride.
So if I can start off by explaining a few things that may help clear up some negativity harbored by the minority out there.
Firstly this is not a Vinduro, it is also not a vintage 4day, it is a support class for the A4DE that is peripheral to the event the idea was born from a want to celebrate 40 years of A4DE and how to go about that, The Cessnock club held the first 4day, were now going to hold the first vintage class in a 4day, were trying our best to incorporate something new at the last minute, so bear with us,
We spoke with as many people as we could find associated with Vinduro to first get a feel if we could get enough riders to do the class justice, our hope is that this will carry on to next year’s 4day and so far everyone involved top to bottom is very enthusiastic about that idea, however the brief was to keep it simple so it had the best chance of success and support the A4DE.
It had to be a celebration of what John Hall started and what all the clubs over the years with limited resources and a handful of key members have managed to pull off year after year to get us to this point.
So in brief the Vintage class incorporates two classes,
The 78 er’s:
As many of the original riders from the 1st 4day preferably on period pre 80 enduro bikes for the John Hall memorial trophy.
If you rode the 79 event your still in with a chance but preference will be given to the class of 78.
Pre1986 and 45yrs and over:
Enduro bikes only, no converted mx bikes, this is a celebration of past Enduro’s the VMX guys have their own successful series.
We wanted riders of the age that would have ridden these bikes up to 86 when they were new and used to own one, which when you get your calculator out is about 50yr’s and over, this was thrown around a bit, we listened to our collaborators and finally settled on 45yrs and over to open the class up a bit.
So if you owned a new pre 86 enduro bike when you were 12, well done, I’m sure you went on to achieve great things.
Pre 1986 is the FIM’s last class and what they call evolution, if you take the time to read through the FIM’s Vintage Trophy class extensive and detailed eligibility regulations regarding the five classes, what carbie what type of ignition, exhaust and suspension length is allowed you will see just how complex it is.
That is not what this event is about and we simply do not have the resources to manage that many extra classes or manage the people who would try to challenge that amount of detail, “everyone’s an expert”, above all this is designed to be as sociable and as achievable as possible.
This pre 86 class will allow as many as possible to ride, some will be disadvantaged by there older bikes but we know that most will not be trying for a trophy they will simply be there to take part, enjoy the feeling of reliving past times, meet up with old friends and if you nail just one corner or one hill climb in the four days then it was all worth while.
All vintage riders will ride together at the back of the field, we will be last to leave each day and first to finish.
When you enter you can nominate who you want to ride with so a bunch of mates can ride together.
The timing for this class will be easier and inflated similar to our aging physiques.
The course will be less than the main event, well under a hundred km’s each day with a couple around the 75km mark and were trying to get everyone back to the Parc Ferme in time so you can see the first of the riders from the main event start the final special test of the day at the showground.
The course is not all hardcore single trail there’s a fare bit of dirt road and four wheel drive tracks between special tests.
The first day will be relatively easy on the trail.
The A4de DNF rule applies to us so you can restart each day even if your out of the results, we want to do everything we can to get as many vintage bikes to the final motocross as possible and remember it’s only really 3.5 days.
Were trying to be enthusiastic and easy going about this as possible but there has to be a line in the sand at some point.
Some run on models will be accepted, were not going to put up a list of bikes, let me know what you have and we’ll do our best to be fare and accommodate you within the rules.
On that point study the A4de regulations and MOMS, they all apply to us as well.
So be positive support this class so it goes on to be a success that is attractive to the next club to hold the A4DE, with more time and some Positive feedback it can only get bigger and better.
If you cant ride help your mate ride and be a part of it, if you cant ride and your vintage bike is registered use it to ride around and watch the special tests, were after as many older enduro bikes kicking around as possible.
If you cant ride because your under 45 or your bike is late 80’s early 90’s ride the main event, you’ll get a hell of a lot of respect and probably wont be last. !!
More often than not Life gets in the way.
Be involved this may never happen again.
Be involved so there’s every chance it will happen again.
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Re: Vintage Class A4DE
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2017, 04:26:50 PM »
$700 entry fee I was going to have a crack at it but not that sort for money they can stick that fee were it fits

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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2017, 03:55:15 PM »
Nearly full ( 7 spots left of the 50 available) after less than 4 days .

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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2017, 04:57:50 PM »
Vintage class fully subscribed which is awesome to see. Obviously old bikes & blokes are still keen.
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Re: Vintage Class A4DE
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2017, 08:21:45 AM »
$700 entry fee I was going to have a crack at it but not that sort for money they can stick that fee were it fits

$608 for 4 days
$152 per day
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Re: Vintage Class A4DE
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2017, 08:43:52 AM »
ill be part of the "B" group...be there when they go out and be there when they come back ::)

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« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2017, 11:00:37 AM »
Vintage class fully subscribed which is awesome to see. Obviously old bikes & blokes are still keen.
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Re: Vintage Class A4DE
« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2017, 07:19:50 PM »
Bugger I was keen as for this but did not get in. Procrastination got the better of me and underestimating the demand for this. I figured the keen as guys guys would drop off around thirty. I had truck rego and bike rego in the last two weeks , plus bike parts and the bank account was hurting witch made me think twice. I hope all those entered enjoy themselves and conditions are perfect. 
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« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2017, 08:05:35 PM »
For those who missed out , you can put your name down on the waiting list , just go to the nomination page and click the waiting list tab and enter your details .

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Re: Vintage Class A4DE
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2017, 09:20:48 PM »
More than happy to put my hand up and wait. I still have to pay $700 just to go on the wait list bites me too much. More than happy to pay within 24 hrs of my entry being accepted thou
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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2017, 06:52:21 PM »
I wonder what bikes people will ride and if it will be mostly newest allowable mid 80's stuff? Hopefully some 70's bikes get ridden.
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Re: Vintage Class A4DE
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2017, 07:10:10 AM »
I wonder what bikes people will ride and if it will be mostly newest allowable mid 80's stuff? Hopefully some 70's bikes get ridden.

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Re: Vintage Class A4DE
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2017, 12:24:54 PM »
I will be  on a Husky 82wr250

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« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2017, 05:01:23 PM »
I tried to enter earlier in the week, but it was fully subscribed, so I have put my name on the waiting list. If I get a ride, I will ride my 1978 Husky 390 Auto, which I rode in the 79, 80 and 81 4 days. If I don't make the main event I have been in tough with the orgainsers and will just have to content myself with a ride in the Demo Event on the final day.
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« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2017, 11:47:21 PM »
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That's great, now I can stop procrastinating

What's even greater is now I can tell everyone I was "gunna" do it but missed the boat!  ;D

Seriously though, it's great to see the vintage class take off like this.

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« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2017, 01:11:29 PM »
So now that the 50 spots are taken (other than late cancellations), who is going to spectate?
It looks as though 80-85 Husky and myself will be attending.......
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« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2017, 10:44:44 PM »
How good is this.  8) 8)
Class full with awesome times ahead to join in the 40th celebration.
Wish i was going to have a look.
Can't wait to see celebration photos and one day hear the lasting stories for many years to come.
Congratulations all  8) 8)
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« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2017, 10:07:48 AM »
From the adb fb site
http://adbmag.com.au/editorial/enduro-legend-dick-burleson-confirmed-2018-a4de/

 ENDURO LEGEND DICK BURLESON CONFIRMED FOR 2018 A4DE
Enduro legend, winner of 8 ISDE Gold Medals, 8 AMA National Enduro Championships, 60 National Enduro wins in the USA Dick Burleson is riding the Vintage Class at the 2018 Australian 4-Day Enduro.

In 1980, only four years after the inaugural event, Burleson was the first international rider to compete in the A4DE. He claimed the win and in 2018 he’s coming back for another ride to help celebrate the 40th anniversary of this prestigious event.

Phil Lovett will be hosting Burleson during his visit and the search is now on for the bike that Dick rode in 1980. It was a 1980 Husqvarna WR250 and if anybody knows its whereabouts please get in touch with Geoff Udy udyquadcountry@gmail.com

It would be fantastic to reunite Dick Burleson with this piece of Australian enduro history if possible. It may still have the scrutineering markings from 1980 on the engine cases, rims and hubs, a splotch of paint with the riding number 1 scratched in it. The registration number plate was QS-027 as can be seen in the picture of Burleson leading the parade of competitors through Cessnock prior to the start in 1980.

The support for the Vintage class, riders over 45 and bikes up to 1986 has been phenomenal and all places are now taken. Riders can still enter, though, and go on a waiting list to replace any who may not be able to attend. If other classes don’t reach full capacity then that may open the way for more Vintage Class entries.