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Offline brent j

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Trials ramblings
« on: January 18, 2015, 09:24:37 PM »
I rode trials back in the 70's & 80's and when my long awaited RL250 finally arrives I'll get back into it.
Now days I see how much that riding has influenced the way I ride now.

Watching some video footage of modern trials it seems to me that a modern section is not one section but is broken down to "mini sections".
I guy climbs a two metre vertical rock then stops, he then does a five point turn and hits the "next" obstacle and so on through the section.
I know it's how modern trials are and the sections are made to take this into account. The riders are super good so need super hard sections

Watching trials vids from the 70's you often see a guy take a less than ideal line up, say a rock face, as he's taking onto account that he has to make a sharp turn at the top. I think the old no stop rule makes you plan the entire section.

Now days I have a KTM 350 Freeride which suits my semi trials style of riding and allows me to use those old time skills. I get a lot of comments from  younger riders about the "strange" things I do and the odd lines I take but to me that's just the easy way to do it.

I appreciate the skills involved in modern trials and it's great to watch what these guys do and make it look so easy but old time trials has a certain grace and flow to it
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Re: Trials ramblings
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2015, 09:43:50 PM »
It's been awhile since I competed in open trials (about 20yrs when I think about it!) but I was out today on my Climber trying to re-acquaint myself with the 'skills' I had -  and failing miserably in my own mind!! Boy, I hate that gumby feeling  >:(
Still, went from 'in danger of catching Tetanus I'm so rusty' poor to 'oh yeah, this is how' over the course of the day. I don't think many riders appreciate the degree to which trials skills contribute to general riding applications, from line selection/observation skills to all aspects of bike control.
I put my son onto the bike and directed him to do some basic riding exercises aimed at promoting control of the clutch and finessing brakes just by doing figure 8's etc and his confidence increased dramatically. Not much point in aiming them into a paddock and telling them to go fly and good luck!
Great fun, hard work and all riders should have a go.
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Re: Trials ramblings
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2015, 09:46:32 PM »
But doesn't it feel great when you find you can still do even one of those old skills?
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2015, 10:29:04 PM »
Yep. Very satisfying.
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2015, 09:43:41 PM »
I like trials a lot, I have been in a bit of a 2 mine situation, whether to continue racing bikes, vinduro or get into trials, I would like to see come back is scottish trials and no stopping. 2 to 4 m rocks are out for me. I had a ride on a gasgas and a new ossa, they maid you a lot more  confidence on the new bikes.

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Re: Trials ramblings
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2015, 01:39:11 PM »
Every time I've seen no stop trials set for new bikes the size of the obstacles hasn't changed, I don't think that the land is readily available now to run proper long distance trials anymore although I rode a 6 day event here a couple of years ago that had the first 3 days set off on the same property & was set up as a mini Scottish with about 6 hours riding each day
A lot of guys I've ridden with have commented on how I have a different riding style due to my trials background

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Re: Trials ramblings
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2015, 04:55:38 PM »
Dave, you can ride the Glenmaggie trial at Easter - 2 days. Great event spread over a large area. Plenty of riding!
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Re: Trials ramblings
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2015, 06:17:37 PM »
Lots of us ride the old fashioned way on old trials bikes and have a ball. The sections set for us have turns that do not require stopping or hopping. Bikes from the 1970s and 1980s are wonderfully suited to Clubman and C grade lines which is what Twinshock classes are usually run on.

I much prefer to ride old trials bikes because as well as being a reminder of my youth, I find them easier to ride than most of the modern bikes in the Clubman and C grade sections. Compared with old bikes, modern trials bikes require faster reflexes and shorter reaction time from the rider. If you don't have the reflexes you had when you were a teenager, you are on edge all the time, which is pretty tiring. Some modern bikes can be mapped to be a lot softer which is what old blokes do if they want to ride them well all day.
 
People who are experienced dirt bike riders but who haven't ridden trials look at an experienced trials rider going through a section and think it all looks so easy, slow and gentle, but when they have a go themselves, it feels to them like they are going all over the place and things are coming at them like bullets.

I thoroughly recommend riding trials to anyone who hasn't given it a go because it is great fun and very rewarding to feel your trials riding skills build very quickly. Do choose a suitable bike though because I see many people put off trials by initially trying to ride a trials bike set up for an A grade 20 year-old. It may be a challenge to many people's egos, but the lower-powered bikes are the best to learn trials on for even very experienced motorbike riders.

That Glenmaggie Easter trial sounds great - have been hearing about it for years. There has been an Easter two-day trial run near Brisbane for donkey's years too that is also very enjoyable. Everyone is so relaxed by the end, and riding confidence usually soars during the event too, after so much practice
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Re: Trials ramblings
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2015, 06:59:17 PM »
What is a suitable classic trials bike that you would recommend, in 1976 I bought a KT 250 which I enjoyed so much, I have had other makes as well. but I would like
person that has done lots of years on trials bikes to give there opinion.
 What make and model would be a good choice.
TY 250
TY 175
TL 125
TL 250
RL 250
Cota 200
Cota 247
Sherpa T
SWM
Fantic 300



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Re: Trials ramblings
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2015, 08:55:35 AM »
Hi Everyone,

Have just read through this thread and Feetupfun nails it in every aspect of his description and Almost describes how much fun Trials riding Is! As you have probably guessed, I ride Trials regularly on most makes of bikes, all of which like Dirt bikes have good and bad points! One thing that impresses me the most about Trials riding is anyone can have a go on any bike, it Does Not need to be Shiney and have the latest Bling parts, usually Only  a Smile is All that is needed!

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Re: Trials ramblings
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2015, 05:08:29 PM »
What is a suitable classic trials bike that you would recommend, in 1976 I bought a KT 250 which I enjoyed so much, I have had other makes as well. but I would like
person that has done lots of years on trials bikes to give there opinion.
 What make and model would be a good choice.
TY 250
TY 175
TL 125
TL 250
RL 250
Cota 200
Cota 247
Sherpa T
SWM
Fantic 300
Dave all those are great fun bikes. Which one is best for you depends on what you like in a trials bike
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