OzVMX Forum
Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Yamaboy on August 08, 2007, 04:18:00 PM
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I've noticed since the new forum is up that a large number of the old regulars are missing in action. B Rad, Doc, Magoo, Firko, Ajayvmx and many others have dropped out completely or hardly post at all any more.
I remember B Rads dummy spit and Nathans Firko assasination so they have probably faded into the ether, sick and tired of it all but geez, there are now more non posters or silent members than ever. What's scared these blokes off? Many of them were the heart and brains of this forum. Docs absense is especially puzzling. On the old forum he posted more than twice the nearest competitor. Am I missing something?
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For my part, it took me a while to find the new forum and re-register... ::)
Also have been away quite a bit lately, to places such as Mid Ohio.... ;D
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Ya show off AJay!! but half your bloody luck!! ;)
Yamaboy..I'm still kicking around but I must admit I'm not posting quite so much as I once did. I only recently rejoined the forum after a bit of time away due to a back injury which means even now I can't be online near as much as I once was.
Towards the demise of the old forum I was also getting sick of the shit slinging and the tensions that seemed becoming more and more prevailant. A break from the forum (and computering in general) and a little change of lifestyle was in order and this is what I've done. I'm still around but when I haven't really been hands on with the bikes for the past few months it reflects in my lack of imput. I'm still here for the asking though simply not quite as much as I once was. Cheers Doc
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I'm much the same as Doc. I've had some niggly joint problems including some knee surgery but the main reason was that the forum was becoming a bit of an exclusive boys club that I didn't feel a part of any more. If you add the recent situation where my post was taken totally out of context and intent and used as a basis for some paranoid ranting I've backed right off. It's a pity really, Graeme has gone to a lot of trouble to keep this forum alive and the people who should be contributing, the fair dinkum vintage racers, have mostly dropped from the program over the years for whatever reason.
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I was never a regular but I'd been a member of the forum for a couple of years with a number of posts. The one thing that bothered me and almost caused me to not reregister was the aggressive nature of a couple of the recent "newbie" posters. One inparticular seems to have it in for any old racer with a collection of bikes and his shit slinging has become quite tedious. I think a lot of the old timers have dropped out because they opt not to deal with these wankers. Lifes too short. This is a problem Graeme shouldn't have to deal with. This forum is for all vintage enthusiasts, not the "exclusive boys club" it's become. I'd be interested to hear the opinions of other older vintage racers who have opted out of the forum.
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Most the time I spend on here is on the outside looking in as I have'nt got a big dirt bike past but its the oldschool blokes that make this site so great so please don't leave who will keep the young blokes inline,Graeme's got enough to do already.
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the only way to stop the wankers as u put it guys is have a moderator that can help out with the site
i for one think the site is grate always has been and always will be some of the older guys as u mentioned ok older then me will come back as they see fit others may look in from time to time and some will disapear from the site but rest assured rain hail or shine there going to be the one next to you on the start line at the next race
thanks for a great site
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I've been watching the members rejoining and so far most of the old crew have re-registered, but perhaps are not as active as they once were. To some extent that is the nature of forums - people come and go as they do in life. I know that the club profile of say HEAVEN is quite different now to in its earliest days when people like B-Rad and Mark Cotterel were the drivers.
I am still chuffed that the forum worked out as it did - up to the point I began it I'd watched several forums on similar sites in Australia wither and die. Quite what OzVMX had that the others didn't I don't really know. Maybe it was just the right time?
Now, I have always taken a pretty light stance on moderation. It is my opinion we are all big kids now and can cop a bit of abuse or crap. If someone was downright abusive or breached good taste then I would step in but you know I have only had to delete a few posts over the years we've been running.
Personally I've received a few abusive emails about the forum, and even the odd threat of legal action for comments made by forum members. But you know, I can cop that. If I couldn't I reckon I should give up bikes and take up quilting (apologies to any active quilters out there, of course!).
I know that sometimes it gets tedious if one member is constantly having a go at you, but you can always choose not to buy into it. And equally a lot of the time stuff is just misunderstood. And of course we are all getting older and crotchetier (is that a word?). But if you really have an issue with someone, drop me a PM. I may not do anything if I think you're being a drama queen, but I'll certainly have a look and a word if need be. I do try to be sympathetic to someone who feels they are being given a hard time, and I have stepped in when a club or organisation is getting an unfair serve.
What can I say? The forum has turned out to be THE online meeting place for Aussie VMX, just as I had hoped. I think we are all the richer for it, insults, criticisms and Turkish hackers notwithstanding.
Keep it up guys.
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I couldn't have written it better myself Phil.
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Firko and Phil hit it on the head , there were or are a number of over opiniated KOK heads rabbiting on about various issues for inordinate amounts of time , some people might find this issue innocuous and some might not . For some (me included) it detracts from the pleasure of using the site , but having said that , that's life. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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I'm here too, but much like Doc, a change in my motorcycling direction has come just as the forum changed.
What started out as being a plan to do a big ride on one of my old 550's next year, has turned into a huge event to raise money for charity. So that is already taking up a lot of time to set up.
However, my interest in vintage is no less, I've just got less to say about it. ;)
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As a member of The Australian Retro Quilters Association I take offence to Graeme's referance that our fine members are being associated with wankers who disrupt Vintage Dirt Bike Forums!
I'll be contacting my solicitor this afternoon......... >:(
Yours
Charles Edward Cross-Tich
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Yes 414! I've not gone quite so far as you but I too have turned to the elders of my vintage quilting chapter for guidance in relation to the derogatory comments posted so recently in this topic!! >:(
oh for those smiley faces eh! :D Someone may have misunderstood just how serious this situation is ::) I reckon the smileys are and should be compulsory just so us cranky ol' buggers know when we can legitimately jump up and down and have a whine ;D how bout a group hug :-*
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I'm with the quilters viva la revolution!!!
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I find it more than a little odd that I'm (still) copping shit for expressing my opinions and apparently being negative, when the people handing out that shit are... hmm... let me see... Expressing their opinions and clearly being negative. ??? Not to mention that my motives and intent were/are being badly (and apparently deliberately) misrepresented.
It's a forum. It's purpose is to allow the exchange views and opinions. This means that not everyone will always agree with your opinion - how you deal with that is up to you.
If anyone can find a single post of mine where I'm pointlessly negative and/or insulting then I'll apologise profusely* - I'm positive and enthusiastic about the sport of VMX and old bikes in general, and that doesn't change when I'm sitting behind the PC screen. Yes I can be an opinionated, stubborn bugger, but so too plenty of other forum members - and if we happen to disagree, then so be it. Surely we're all grown-ups who can deal with that?
So... to cut to the chase, I think people need to take a step back and think about what the forum can offer them, and what they can offer the forum.
Even if a forum was a deliberately cliquey group, it simply cannot be an exclusive group - so everybody is still welcome to read and contribute as much or as little as they wish.
It's true democracy, and this should be a good thing, not a bad one!
*This includes the old forums, if they still existed.
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these days im very happy when 2 things happen vmx mag arrive and the spotlight catolgue is on time any one wont to buy a nice vintage pair of maico knitting needles /and a bultco spining wheel and a kawasaki pottery wheel ;D ;D ;D ;D
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No offence Nathan, You seem a keen young bloke with a good side to your personality judging by your kindness in offering your bikes to other riders and your enthusiasm for our sport. However you do seem to have an antagonistic temperment with a real problem with older members of the vintage community. The people who you seem to aim for are the old school baby boomers of our sport. I remember your posts criticiising our music and culture many months ago and dismissed them as harmful shit stirring. Now I'm not so sure you were stirring. You need to settle back a little, listen to the old blokes, take in their experience and wisdom and sometimes admit that you over stepped the mark like you did with the Ossa Phantom post. You dragged every ounce of life out of that one just justifying your point. It's not the first time either.
Admitting that you don't have all of the answers is something that comes with maturity. The blokes you have had the biggest run ins with are the blokes you could learn the most from. Stop being so evocative and you may start to gain the respect you seem to crave.
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Being an old fart old school baby boomer, I don't take offence at Nathans posts.
I think Nathan being so keen and having/knowing a bit gets up some peoples noses, stop being so precious and take it all with a grain of salt, Surely we're all big enough and ugly enough to look after ourselves?
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Hi Guys,
I'm not sure if I am old, but I am pretty sure I am regular. A bit of a personal question but…!!!
If I can have my 2 cents worth - I think that we as a group have lost a bit of our sense of humour. When this forum started I think we were all so happy to find it and participate in it - and all that enthusiasm came through in the posts and the personality of the members. It's fantastic to be able to communicate with so many others who share my passion for old motorbikes.
So lets celebrate the things we have in common and forget about some of the small irritations. Have a laugh and enjoy one of the best pastimes that exists in this crazy world.
But if it does all get you down, just remember there is always somebody worse off than you. Sure, they mostly ride Yamaha's and that should be punishment enough.
It's good to be back.
VMX42
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Well im fairly new to this forum, been here just a few months. Im Not old and not young. In my 40s so me place in whatever group you feel suits.
I have no idea what some of the comments in this topic referr to in regards to passed events. I dont really know who are old members and who's not. I can say I enjoy being here. Have learnt plenty.
I have met one forum member in person, spoke to number by phone. Meeting another member next week at my home.
I hope soon to meet many more of you blokes. I'll line with you then you can all remind me what shit rider i am as you lap me on the track.
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Mmmmm, someone opened a can of worms :o, but it hade to be said . I fully agree . I enjoy to be part of it.
There are many great people init from what I have seen or met or spoken to . Keep it up .Relive and preserve the spirit of that great era. Even if you dont race it , just restoring can be alot fun. Thats what you want after all , I think. ;)
cheers Walter
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hey fellas
i havent had many posts but im a regular reader of the forum my vmx is still under the knife and my modern enduro bike is keeping the missus cranky with the cost of owning and maintaining a new 4 stroke KTM 450 rebuilt after 200 hours @2grand the vmx career is on hold before its startedi hope that the fellas that are regulars dont get to pissed off by nit pickers i have been gettin a good laugh at some of the banter the blokes i ride with have a saying LEAVE YOUR FEELINGS AT HOME there are NOBS in all forums just laugh at em that shits them even more
cheers
ocd
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Following legal advice I hereby retract the statement regarding quilters. The statement was made in a jesting manner and was intended largely to draw a comparison between the rufty tufty type of chap who races dirtbikes and the more genteel and largely civilised type who prefers the fine art of quilting. I meant of course embroiderers who as we know are simply wannabe quilters. My sincerest apologies to those fine folk frequenting this forum who also follow quilting. If you are an embroiderer tho, you have our sympathies.
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The new forum started bloody great for me ;) Yep got the mythical beast Mr "Admin" to insert the sidecar base. Neat! lots friendly of banter , healed some wounds , but must have really ticked off a few others ! They bothered too email me and let fly with tirades about you know "shove your forking sidecars up your forking arse you forking idiot' stuff. (I have actually corrected their sadly pathetic spelling there). Fine..... Tim
The old forum had one the most humbling and truly compassionate threads devoted to my beloved wife Kathy and me during the darkest period of my 50 years, Written by genuine caring people VMXers and their partners mostly that I have never ever met face to face. I wonder if the afore mentioned .. sad people.. could have read and comprehended any of the posts?
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I can't believe anyone would email you like that tim754. Hey, there's one too many wheels for me also but shiiiiit if you're not into it, dont go in there. WTF! I apologize on their behalf for being a pathetic excuse for a human being. Probably did it anonymously too. BTW, there are more people on line with new forum as opposed to old one.
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You know, I find that hard to believe too... why would you do that even if you did disagree? All types... But as has been said, we are big and ugly enough to cope I think. I've had a few too, one bloke who didn't get his membership approved right away, turned out I'd accidentally deleted it thinking he was a spammer (not much info on his profile to tell me he was genuine). He emailed with this long abusive whine and so I took the time to respond and explain things to which he let fly again. These days, I don't waste my time. Give me a hard time and you can go jump. Why would I bother?
And yes, more people online. Now that IS curious, I wonder why? And the post rate is much higher too. Still, gives me a lot more entertainment at 6 AM that's for sure...
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I've been watching the members rejoining and so far most of the old crew have re-registered, but perhaps are not as active as they once were. To some extent that is the nature of forums - people come and go as they do in life. I know that the club profile of say HEAVEN is quite different now to in its earliest days when people like B-Rad and Mark Cotterel were the drivers.
I am still chuffed that the forum worked out as it did - up to the point I began it I'd watched several forums on similar sites in Australia wither and die. Quite what OzVMX had that the others didn't I don't really know. Maybe it was just the right time?
Now, I have always taken a pretty light stance on moderation. It is my opinion we are all big kids now and can cop a bit of abuse or crap. If someone was downright abusive or breached good taste then I would step in but you know I have only had to delete a few posts over the years we've been running.
Personally I've received a few abusive emails about the forum, and even the odd threat of legal action for comments made by forum members. But you know, I can cop that. If I couldn't I reckon I should give up bikes and take up quilting (apologies to any active quilters out there, of course!).
I know that sometimes it gets tedious if one member is constantly having a go at you, but you can always choose not to buy into it. And equally a lot of the time stuff is just misunderstood. And of course we are all getting older and crotchetier (is that a word?). But if you really have an issue with someone, drop me a PM. I may not do anything if I think you're being a drama queen, but I'll certainly have a look and a word if need be. I do try to be sympathetic to someone who feels they are being given a hard time, and I have stepped in when a club or organisation is getting an unfair serve.
What can I say? The forum has turned out to be THE online meeting place for Aussie VMX, just as I had hoped. I think we are all the richer for it, insults, criticisms and Turkish hackers notwithstanding.
Keep it up guys.
This is why this is such a great site :)Thanks for running a great site Graeme and an open minded forum Bill :)
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Being an old fart old school baby boomer, I don't take offence at Nathans posts.
I think Nathan being so keen and having/knowing a bit gets up some peoples noses, stop being so precious and take it all with a grain of salt, Surely we're all big enough and ugly enough to look after ourselves?
Hear hear
While im not quite a baby boomer im at least half a generation older than Nathan. Having met Nathan at the Nats i found him to be a top bloke with a Wicked sense of humour ;D
Nathan rode 3 classes at the Nats Pre 70, pre 75 & pre 78 , the two older classes on converted trail bikes. He was not at the pointy end of the field but he was smiling all weekend.
I am hoping nathan and his wife will be my guest over here at the end of the month to ride a couple of events.
When all said and done if you dont like what sombody post ignore it and move on.
Personally im just happy that a younger bloke is enthusiastic enough to help keep the older classes alive :)
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Graeme,
Let me tell you that there is nothing genteel in the world of needle point or any craft/hobby fabric fusing activity. Many a Sunday arternoon has been spent needle banging with adversaries chasing the coverted "Mr Manchester" trophy! We do however conduct ourselves in a more civilized manner to our elders. Any "Yobs" for want of a better word, when found to be over-stepping the mark, are taken out at a meeting and have a No 7 Sainsbury bone needle inserted into their scrotum. How's that for a bit of "Ruffty Tuffty" Mr Graeme? Hmmmm?!!
Your apology has been noted however remember,
You are being watched
Yours
Charles Edward Cross-Tich, VC, DCM, AOM, NOS & OEM
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Well I for one have had a complete and utter gutfull! >:(
I've been reading the forum and it's full of nothing but spasmodic spite and heavilly harmfull hatred towards fellow enthusiasts!
I am selling my entire collection including my old books and mags on eGay come Sunday! >:(
which forum have I been reading you ask?..the Vintage Quilters Forum of course! ;D
Will let you all know the item numbers when I list the crochet books. Alternatively you can buy the complete collection consisting of lots and lots of weekly periodicals before auction if your heart so desires. Act now and Don't be dissappointed! :P
am I serious?? just wait and see! :o
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Ah shit Doc, just for a minute there I thought I might have gotten your TM125 for a good price........... ;)
Brent
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Yep. When the going gets tough, the tough go shopping......
CE Cross-Tich
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You quilters are such sensitive folk. Nearly as bad as Suzuki fans in the world of VMX...
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You quilters are such sensitive folk. Nearly as bad as Suzuki fans in the world of VMX...
i thought membership of one group entitled you to free membership of the other ! :D
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Ok I am angry and weird !!! but um I don't think I am this weird?????????? ::)
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and this by nancy boy honda riders and one......that need "Training " wheels on the side ;D
Pfft
If Doc sells up .. after i pick myself up from the floor im takin a loan out and using the red thang as calateral.... cold day in hell before that happens
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Tomorrow is D-Day fella's! ;D
Whatever D-Day is ???
Anyway since no-one has dared insult me with even the most modest offerings the entire ultimate cross stitch, quilting and embroidery vintage mag collection will be on eGay in the morning :)
I'll be laughing hardest when my ship comes in fellas..you just mark my words!!
..already have my eyes on a works factory 70's elna knitting machine! ;D
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Am I missing something ??? or have you blokes been drinking too much red cordial .....Uhhh that's it I'm on the wrong site ;D
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i was just going through the cuboard and WHOA I COULDNT BELIEVE MY EYES A HUSQUVARA OVERLOCKER NOW I JUST GOTTA LEARN HOW TO USE THAT SUCKER/
AFTER A BIT OF MUCKING ABOUT AND A DAP OFF MOTEL FULLY SYN OIL SHE FIRED STRAIGHT UP AND HIT THE BAND IN NO TIME
SO ITS OF TO THE HABARDASARY SWAP MEET TOMORROW
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crunch time...
you may start your bidding frenzies NOW! ;D
http://search.ebay.com.au/_W0QQsassZrm400c (http://search.ebay.com.au/_W0QQsassZrm400c)
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yep youve cracked me up
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Mmm..might put a bid on,might come in handy when i crochet a little number for my cr seat.Lovely ;D
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i didnt know that you could crochet brad , they could hold that event at the next vintage titles first to finish a doylee
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I only do tea cosys, doyleys are a bit beyond my ability. You need any socks Paul? I do a mean left sock!
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ok you know the address cod
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if any body didnt notice doc has only put up issue 3 onwards hes keept the collector edition 1and 2 for him self
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hey brad weres that sock you were knitting for me
any way got sick of knitting so now im cookin now
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g120/ibop/IMGP1267.jpg)
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Paul, it's your lucky day! The only magazines that didn't sell on eGay was a full years worth of Super Food Ideas! Yours for the price of postage mate! What a deal!!! ;D
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might be on to something here vintage cookin tips for the older persons whos still or have become bachoelors
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I subcontracted the sock making out to the guys who did your wheels, so you will get it any month now!