OzVMX Forum
Clubroom => Competition => Topic started by: Noel on January 01, 2010, 07:12:57 PM
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nice to see they've put the price up again... $150 to enter & $25 for every extra bike.
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lots of classes more than conondale
they will struggle with time ;)
you would think it would be cheaper
run by MA on a MA track :o
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"The non championship Interstate chalenge will be held at the conclusion of racing on Sunday" :)
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Said it before and i'll say it again.
When prepped, the Broadford track is one of, if not the best, in the country where riders and spectators get well looked after, however it is a very expensive and labor intensive track to run an event, none moreso than a National event.
All we must hope for is that the step up's and the supercross style components are removed.....WITHOUT shortening and modifying the track.
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22. CIRCUIT DESCRIPTION
Approximately 1.6km undulating track with some man made obstacles. A concrete starting gate is used with an uphill chute turning
left onto the course proper. An automatic watering system is used and the track has been mulched and reversed in direction to
provide a vintage friendly circuit.
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(http://i49.tinypic.com/25exx5s.jpg)
This bit of the track gave the Pre 75 boys a bit of strife at the Bonanza weekend ::)
May need a tad shaved off it ;)
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I don't get the reversed in direction. Would make the drop off's rather interesting.
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I'm in.
Probably be riding pre-70 250, pre-78 125 and pre-75 125 or 250.
$150 entry fee might be dear by VMX standards, but its f$%king cheap for any other National level motorsport event.
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(http://i48.tinypic.com/2n9kjtv.jpg)
This will be quick down here in reverse direction from the top of the hill.
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sh---t, $150 for two races in a lot of money, are they supplying lic on the day
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Pre 1960 Solo all powers, Pre 1965 Solo 250
It's nice to know that these classes are on the program but I'm not very confident there'll be many starters based on entries in recent years. I'm going to try and drum up a bit of pre 65 250 action amongst the blokes I know who've got eligible bikes. Unfortunately many of the owners have retired and to be honest it's not a class that easily attracts new blood due to the rarity and tempermental nature of the early two strokes.
I'll try and get my Ducati sorted and hopefully Frank Stanborough will have his NSU/Greeves up and running and we'll find a couple of decent riders willing to ride the old girls. What about you and your new Dot Dave? Alison and Steve, are you coming over with the Sprite? What about Brads twin pipe? On paper the class has the potential to be really interesting so lets hope we can attract enough starters to put up a decent show.
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Right behind you Mark, the dot will be on the line, l know about 2 other twinports, 3 greeves, 1 honda, 1 nsu, 2 jawa there are lots of pre65 out there. our mate tony clarke on board pre 65, l was hoping to win the pre 65 this year, but the competition will be to great. Just kidding, we need numbers.
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The twinpiper will be a starter . Tony Cavell is a regular as well.
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Re VMX247 post of age groups for Nats---minor correction ,oldest grouping is 60+ [not 60-69 ].
I note Pre 75 age races are "all powers" meaning if older riders wish to ride more than one class they have to line up with the teenagers.
A factor in this is no doubt the increasing difficulty in fitting it all in with introduction of Pre 85 ,Pre 90 imminent ,and increasing interest in sidecars packing the programn. Combine this with the old discussion re compatibility of tracks for Pre 65 through Pre 90 and the obvious conclusion is Nats need to be held separatelyfor Pre78 etc[for example ] and Evo to Pre90. The way it is going it is accelerating the demise of Pre 75. One of the factors in keeping mature riders in VMX is the age grouping ,so not only do we need to retain this ,but maybe consider introducing ages to Evo [say over and under 45 as a trial ]
The argument that a Pre 75 [or 78 ] event couldn't stand alone is countered by the great success of WAVMX both at club days and the three times they've hosted the Nats. It is great to see the increasing interest in Pre 90 etc but we need to ensure it' not at the cost of
our older bikes and riders.
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Combine this with the old discussion re compatibility of tracks for Pre 65 through Pre 90 and the obvious conclusion is Nats need to be held separatelyfor Pre78 etc[for example ] and Evo to Pre90. The way it is going it is accelerating the demise of Pre 75.
KAPOW ! A bolt from the blue ! Jeez, you've got the old thinking cap on there, SS50. That's actually a pretty good idea. Now...could you hold the nats over a long weekend in the one town ? Two tracks, pre-'78 practice Friday, race Saturday....'78-on, practice Saturday, race Sunday.... ???
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I note Pre 75 age races are "all powers" meaning if older riders wish to ride more than one class they have to line up with the teenagers.
Huh? "All Powers" refers to all capacity classes being combined. If its an age race, then you'd be racing against other riders of your age group.
The MA website is short on detail - no doubt because they don't know who will enter yet. Based on last year's event, I'd strongly doubt that any 40+ riders will have to line up against the teenagers in their age races.
A factor in this is no doubt the increasing difficulty in fitting it all in with introduction of Pre 85 ,Pre 90 imminent ,and increasing interest in sidecars packing the programn. Combine this with the old discussion re compatibility of tracks for Pre 65 through Pre 90 ....
The old discussion about track compatability is still bullshit. A good pre-75 track still puts a smile on the face of the pre-85 riders - just like Conondale did in 2009. The worst you can say about the riders of newer era bikes is that they are indifferent to pre-75 unfriendly tracks. I am yet to hear a single pre-85 rider ask for bigger jumps/deeper whoops.
I strongly agree with the rest of your post.
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not trying to hijack but this topic ie spilt Nats has been covered "several" times prior to each Nats for the last couple of years. Was even discussed for the 2010 even when WAVMX was looking at it.
Rossco
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I hope the two clubs in WA get together quickly and bid for the whole event. Would be interesting, will wait and see though
But back on this years Nats, I'm just wondering how many guys from the west will make it over this year with it being so early in the season and due to travelling time they probably won't even get a chance to run there weapons before the event
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would love to go, but taking the feral photographer to karajini, Exmouth and Shark bay over that period. Sometime you just have to make sacrifices for peace of mind, or was it house
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The number of sidecars shouldn't be a problem as we can all run together, fantastic starts with 40 on the grip-that will make the national nightly news for sure- one way or another!!
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European Tracks need to be a focus when track committee prepar them, most Australia tracks are not long enough these days and are goat tracks, they were better made tracks back in the sixties and seventies fast and flowing.
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Firko, good idea drumming up support for the Pre 65 250 class, last year at Conondale they dropped this class because of lack of entries, I believe they had 9 entries, I think 10 is required.
What got me was that a couple of other classes had less entries and they still were run ???
I built up a Pre 65 250 Husky just for this class and then had to ride it in Pre 75, it was underpowered (and under prepared) and 4 speed righthand gearchange, however being a Husky, it still went and handled very well.
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The number of sidecars shouldn't be a problem as we can all run together, fantastic starts with 40 on the grip-that will make the national nightly news for sure- one way or another!!
40 ? ::) How many ran at Conondale - about 8 in total, wasn't it ?
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I built up a Pre 65 250 Husky just for this class and then had to ride it in Pre 75, ....
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I asume that you also had a pre-70 250 there?
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here you go Wasp ...get YSS to sponsor this bloke to come over and do the Nats track 8)
Acclaimed track designer Johnny Douglas Hamilton, noted for his excellent work at Arreton on the Isle of Wight, Sun City in South Africa and Matchams Park this year for the British Grand Prix, will be onboard to lend his expert touch in re-shaping the circuit, ensuring the course presents a challenge to a new breed of competitor, while retaining the character of the Farleigh layout that saw the great riders such as Dave Thorpe and Roger de Coster do battle through the decades.
cheers
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One more thing to keep in mind is to cater for the weakest class and rider , and when that has been achieved , everyone has a ball.
Its like a sucsess full band , the strongest players wait and support the weaker ones to make an overall sucsess. ;)
At a national event? This thread is about 'The Nats' is it not?
CD7 or a special social event...sure, but a national competition vying for an Australian title? Yeah right!
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Yeah but you peddle the same thing at every opportunity. The reality is that 90% of vmx tracks ARE pre 75 friendly.National title tracks for example; Conondale, I wasn't at Tassie but it looked flat as a tack and Coffs. I wasn't involved in vmx before that but I would think that previous years are the same. I am yet to ride on an unfriendly track at all, not to say there aren't any ever. Myself and two other forum members went riding on a modern track on modern bikes on the weekend. We are so spoilt on our tracks, the modern ones are so rough and unforgiving. If you don't ride a modern track you don't know how easy we have it. Shit its mx FFS, arguably the toughest of all sports.
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Personally, I would love them to leave it as is. That's right up my alley. But reality is that the track will be heaps different. There won't be any crazy or even hard stuff. It will be vmx people sorting it and will bet my left nut it will be very pre 65 friendly. I wouldn't think someone like Drakie would let that happen.
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If you are talking about the Bonanza, it seems that MA are the ones that didn't bother to put any time into track prep. That is one shitty track.
This time it will be sorted for the two events so the there won't be the short cut that MA did last year ( as Drakie posted elsewhere).
Seriously, anyone would think that vmx is struggling because of the 'modern supercross tracks' that are around. All I have seen on the forum is one track for one event, being the Bonanza. I reckon vmx is blossoming and tracks are pretty dam good.
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(http://i49.tinypic.com/25exx5s.jpg)
This bit the track gave the Pre 75 boys a bit of strife at the Bonanza weekend ::)
May need a tad shaved off it ;)
Thats not VMX , and thats for sure
That looks like a picture of moderns? I didn't think that corner of the track was used at the Bonanza, I thought it was bypassed??
I think MA bit off more than they could chew last year. It seemed like a good idea at the time to have separate tracks for the pre 75 & pre 85 but it stretched resources too much, corner stewards, water etc.
The pre75 track ended up too dusty so the guys came over to the main track which wasn’t prepped for the older bikes.
Your always going to get teething problems of some sort, so long as lessons are noted then we can move forward.
As far as I know they are planning on one track this time & putting all the effort to prepare it better for all classes.
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Firstly I reckon this should be on another thread!! Secondly I think both you guys are right at the risk of being a fence sitter. Unlike Modern MX I think our vinatge scene is unique in that the range of people who compete go from "those who could win riding a coke can aka Brad et al" and those "that haven't finished the first lap before the winner is over the line". Our sport has to cater for both and hence me not going to the Nats again because I tend more towards the latter type of rider and appreciate a track more suiting my old girl (and my old body) and understand the "Brad" type people who appreciate a track which tests their skills and fitness.
I think the current Nats for those who want to ride for sheep stations and CD style events for the rest of us. Decide which one suits you - ride there and we should all be happy ;D I do think different tracks for different eras/ages (of riders also). Modern MX usually (not always but a higher percentage) caters for younger guys and if you aren't on the latest and greatest 2010 model then probably don't bother - I think our ranges are significantly different!
M2BW
cheers
Rossco
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Yes Brad , exactly that , a proper track in the style of pre 74 ,that can be ridden by all . Yes it could be a bit boring for the pre 90 , but is that not the point I am trying to make ? Those old bikes where first and deserve all the respect and should be shown in the right light . To me thats the spirit of VMX . Dont you think a DOT getting jumped at a supercross looks out of place ? Well I do , sorry
Riding a pre-90 bike at race speeds around a natural terrain track is still racing, and it will still be enjoyable.
I keep saying this: Look at the popularity of the old ThumperNats and AmCross - even the 'young lunatics' on modern bikes enjoy racing on old style tracks. It is completely beyond me to understand why it seems logical that old lunatics on 25+ year old bikes would find it boring.
Old riders on short travel old bikes like grass track.
Young riders on new bikes like grass track.
Old riders on new bikes like grass track.
But apparently old riders on long travel old bikes hate it?
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Just in case there's any confusion ,that photo i took is a VIC title modern meeting just after the Bonanza meet, At the Bonanza that part of the track was used early on the sat, but cut out later, I like plenty of others rode pre75 bikes on it both days, some didn't like it,some did.
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Ah, its all coming back to me......dust, dust dust and too much red wine Friday night. Yes, a short cut was put in place after the first sessions. 8)
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I didn't think that corner of the track was used at the Bonanza, I thought it was bypassed??
Yes they used that part of the track at BBB until people started getting ferried off in Ambo's and some little guy had to moan to the MV guy and Drakie about just how bad the track was for any type of bike. :(
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Allow me to put it to you this way Nathan . If you where living in WA or Tassie , and you hade the option to race in Raymond terrace or in Connondale . Which one would it be ? Would you drive for 3 solid days to ride on an old bike in Raymond terrace ?
That's a question with an obvious answer.
And you're comparing a grass-track with a modern track (and, to be fair, Raymond Terrace wasn't in ideal condition when we were there).
How many riders of modern bikes would prefer to ride at Raymond Terrace over Connondale?
Everybody loves grasstrack.
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Maybe with all that money there making out of us they can afford to lay some grass down? 4 month's is plenty oy time for it to grow!!!! and not allow anyone to ride it the week before like the MA rules say for a national event!!!!, and by the way Conondale is the premier MX track in Australia, whether it be modern or vintage, ask anyone who's riddin it and I dought you'll get any negative answers. I think alot of clubs out there could take a leaf out of the Sunshine Coast clubs book and like Vwalter say's it's up there with the best in the world!!! If you haven't been there then come to CD7 and see for yourself, it will be your best VMX meeting - get together- talking- riding-perving weekend of your life, halueluyah brothers AND sisters (thats for you Ally and the others). Even the Mexicans can come...... GMC leave the rain behind!!!! :).I am looking forward to Broadford Nat's though, I went to the GP's 10 years ago and loved it.
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Mortlake Track here in Victoria was one of the best, best for viewing, fast, 6 gear, if you had it. l liked connondale, totally enjoyed the hole meeting in Aug 09.
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If they just fill in between the quads to make small table tops that should do. Either way broadford is hard work for a passenger, but hey, we're all in the same sand pit. Let's just not have a two lap final again thanks.
As I've said before, how they ever got to have a GP on it is beyond me-minimum width should be no less than 8m which gives at least 4 solo lines and 2 sidecar lines on any part.
Once again the guy with the biggest($$) engine will win the start and then no-one will get round him on that track-unless someone does something stupid, then someone will get hurt!!
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It's not for me to say, and I'm only looking from an outsiders point of view, so please dont put out a contract and send the hit-men of vmx to hunt me down.
Nationals are Nationals.
But the vastness of Australia doesnt allow its self to be 'travel' friendly so a track that can cater for 'all eras' and 'all ages' is always going to be difficult to find (I'm not saying none exist) so I look at different ways to accommodate all bikes and riders.
At present the 'Nationals' are held once yearly and held at different venues. That format works, and should be kept. But there could be a twist to the 'classes' format. At the moment all 'class eras' race on the same track and same weekend which makes for a very big (extended) meeting.
My 'outside' view is that the 'Nationals' could be (should be) still held every year but bi-yearly for the different 'class eras'. In other words, the Pre60, Pre65, Pre70 and Pre75 classes (including sidecars) plus 'age group races' could be raced the first year on a track that is "suitable" for those eras. The following year the 'Nationals' would be held for the Pre78, Evo, Pre85 and (when/if) Pre90 classes, on a track more suited to those bikes.
This still means that the 'Nationals' are held every year (albeit, bi-annually in reguards to classes) with more time to run the races (or less time to be away from home) on tracks that could show case the bikes in there respective eras.
My understanding of most VMXers, is that they have more than one era of bikes in their stables so they can still ride each year at the 'Nationals' and if they dont have bikes for both years then what a great excuse to get another bike ;)
With certain 'eras' only getting to race bi-annually it could bring out more bikes, make the winning of trophies even more special because the trophy is held for two years and if a racer is less fortunate with finances and only has the one bike then he/she is more likely to go to the 'Nationals' every second year rather than every year.
Anyway, I'll keep looking over my shoulder for those hit-men, at least until Nathan stirs it up somewhere else ;) ;D
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The Nationals are a race they are not promoted in any other way.So far all I have read is members having a go at the promoters and organizers who I might add usually work for nothing and by the look of it not much thanks. All the people who have complained,how about you put your hand in your pockets and give the orgaizers a $100 each to hire a grader and bobcat for the weekend and then how about you get off your collective arses and go down and give them a hand.
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Well I can see it know when a club refuses entrys because they can't provide a suitable track for pre75 bikes there will be uproar and most of it will come from the poeple who stand around and let other people do the hard all the hard work!
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1 weekend for nationals 51 weekends for moderns We had better face it we are Dinosaurs and eventually we are all going the same way if you want the sport to keep growing or at least keep going at the same rate we have to compromise Most clubs are full of young guys who help and dont ride vintage bikes so its a big effort for them to come and help.
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With all this to-ing and fro-ing ( such is the magic of a forum), no one has mentioned a nats track that has been unsuitable. I have only been to two and both were all good.
CD5 was at a track that has been mentioned,that wasn't able to be prepared properly due to the weeks of rain before and at the start of the event.
BBB is the other and someone has said that there were teething problems there. Neither were nats tracks and if they are the only two events that were sub standard in some eyes, then what the problem is....really?
And who in their right mind would think that Broadford will be anything like a modern track? You're cracking jokes.
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Hey odd1, 200 riders @ $150 a pop is $30,000 my friend and thats without people riding 2,3 4 or whatever amount of bikes they want. I think that leaves a little bit for a dozer and a bobcat!!!!, dont you think? I know it costs alot too run a meet but if MA and MV want too hijack 2 big events in 2 weekends then they can afford to tip some dough ray me in and make the track how it should be after all thats what we pay licence fees for every year. You would shit your pants if you new how much money some of these organisations make every year!!!
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and where the bloody hell is Raymond Terrace (Laura Bingle) how many people have been to a repeat Nats there ;D ???
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Your right that is a lot of money But I can tell you now by the time you start organizing tiolets /pumpouts /lights /insurance/police permits you will be suprised how quickly you can burn through thirty Grand
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and where the bloody hell is Raymond Terrace (Laura Bingle) how many people have been to a repeat Nats there ;D ???
Thats why these forums suck sometimes. Things are missed all the time (me included of course). Raymond Terrace had Classic Dirt, not a nats which is my point. What nats track was shite to warrant this 5 page debacle?
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after all thats what we pay licence fees for every year.
No it's not, clubs should run events not MA.
Sorry back to bagging the track that hasn't been built yet.
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I'd like to CONGRATULATE the Preston MC Club for putting this event on and being the brave party involved with running a National Title along with MA.
Best Wishes to Preston MCC before and after the event. 8)
Support it or it will be gone.
cheers Alison in WA
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Odd1 - I think maybe you have missed some of the points - VMX is growing so much that having to fit in so many eras over a full weekend is making for short races. If the track "opinions" are factored in as well maybe there is more justification for pre xx and post xx at different tracks at different times!!!!
Then those with both bikes could still make it - allowing for travel costs as well.
Rossco
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My 'outside' view is that the 'Nationals' could be (should be) still held every year but bi-yearly for the different 'class eras'. In other words, the Pre60, Pre65, Pre70 and Pre75 classes (including sidecars) plus 'age group races' could be raced the first year on a track that is "suitable" for those eras. The following year the 'Nationals' would be held for the Pre78, Evo, Pre85 and (when/if) Pre90 classes, on a track more suited to those bikes.
Another idea worthy of consideration DJ, well thought out. As an aside, have VMX Livewire ever canvassed the possibility of having a one-weekend NZ VMX champs ?
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Well maybe someone should put it to MA and see what the reaction is because unless someone asks we 'll never know
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The Livewire guys wouldnt run a one off National titles because it would go against what they run now, which is a series of five rounds. We do have 'one off meetings' that at the end of the day the winners walk off with big cups. They need to be big too so everyone gets a drink or two out of them.
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I cant Wait for the Nats & HBBB .I'm saving up as much as i can to ride as many bikes at HBBB so that i know where every beer tent is for the Nats . Nah i'm not really in gonna be at the pointy end but i have ride this Nats coz i dont know if i can make it to the next one . I think us Mexicans should organize a ride School at Broadford and run the track in reverse in March ??.
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Let's remember CD4 at Broadford - nary a jump to be seen. Its clear that Broadford can be modified to be old bike friendly.
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Sorry back to bagging the track that hasn't been built yet.
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Hilly, you're alive! Excellent news (particularly for you, I'm sure...). Grogs at BBB?
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I'm sorry Nathan but by Easter i plan on being a 80Kg devout Atheist who doesnt Drink,Smoke or Ogle Woman and can ride like the wind .On second thoughts i might get on the piss and ride like a bloke who drank too much the night before . So your on even though i will be in training for the next weekend .
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My 'outside' view is that the 'Nationals' could be (should be) still held every year but bi-yearly for the different 'class eras'. In other words, the Pre60, Pre65, Pre70 and Pre75 classes (including sidecars) plus 'age group races' could be raced the first year on a track that is "suitable" for those eras. The following year the 'Nationals' would be held for the Pre78, Evo, Pre85 and (when/if) Pre90 classes, on a track more suited to those bikes.
Another idea worthy of consideration DJ, well thought out. As an aside, have VMX Livewire ever canvassed the possibility of having a one-weekend NZ VMX champs ?
Over a period of years( say 5 Nats time) would it not become young and old at each event.
I believe we need to keep the pre75 with the young pre 85/90 :-X so they can be educated in eligibility etc..The shifting tides will turn if we are not careful.Its probably inevitable anyway in the future. :(
cheers
I dont see why it would become that. It may help the older class bikes when younger guys want to ride the Nationals the year the older bikes are raced. Likewise with the newer bikes, and most of us older folk know the newer bikes are more comfortable to race so that may entice them to ride the newer bikes. But in saying that, lots of the guys in this forum have modern bikes so I dont see a problem with that.
Its also funny when a "competition" like the Nationals can make an older guy young again and if we dont promote the older bikes then yes, they will slowly disappear, but if they have their own "Nationals" then isnt that cememting them for the future?
Have the bikes, have the right track, have a good competition and riders of all ages will want to race.
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DJ (and GD), I reckon the idea of splitting pre-75 (or pre-78 as I'd prefer) from the later old bikes is inevitable.
Is there are reason you think running the 'early VMX' Nationals on alternate years to the 'late VMX' Nationals is preferable to simply having two seperate events in the one year?
Time for a thread split?
Hilly, At 80kgs, how are you going to teach the YZ400 who's boss? Definitely best to keep up the current fitness programme. :)
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I have made noises about splitting them up a few times. I am in favour of two annual events. I would also like to go to both but would have to choose the one I favoured if I couldn't make both due to time/ money issues etc. It would bring them back to a two day event. Less time issues. Tracks to suit the eras. Oh to live in a perfect world. I must say I would be pretty lonely in that perfect world :P
Time for a thread split?
Be easier to change the heading ::)
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Nathan, I only had a Pre 75 400 Husky and my Pre 65 250 Husky at Conondale, no Pre70 bikes.
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after all thats what we pay licence fees for every year.
No it's not, clubs should run events not MA.
Sorry back to bagging the track that hasn't been built yet.
Really well so far ive sean sweet FA for my $200 or whatever the seniors is now, my club does every thing, and pays a shiitte load of fees to those hangon's and they do Jack. My club Run all rounds of the Dirt track series, if it was up to MASA it would have been extinct both modern and classic over 4 years ago.
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Nathan, I only had a Pre 75 400 Husky and my Pre 65 250 Husky at Conondale, no Pre70 bikes.
OK. So why did you race your pre-65 bike with the pre-75s, rather than in the combined pre-65/pre-70 race?
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Allison - I think at a club level pre 75 and pre 85 can be combined although it doesn't have to be (ie different days and tracks if need be to keep the purests happy) - however try running pre 90 back to God knows what at a Nats and length of race, number of races and every other type of logistical problem raises it's ugly head (including separate tracks). The idea best thought of so far is say Saturday for pre 75/78 (take your pick IMHO) and Sunday for the rest of also rans (can you tell where my allegiance lies ;D). But it's just getting TOO BIG.
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Pre 90 isn't included. Pre '85 is it at a national level.
If it were 2 events that would be more dollars... would it not?
You guys are mixing shit up now. One minute you are talking nats, then club days. The two are very different. Just talking about splitting the nats, not club days. You can do right up to pre 90 on a club day as there aren't the numbers and are always combined.
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hey Brad - read a bit slower - I was answering Allison's comment re running everything together - possible at club ie smaller number levels but becomes increasingly difficult with more numbers ie Nats - not talking club days!
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here are some facts( after being in the firing line)
MA controlls the Nationals
MA set the rules(GCR's) which cover track design and layout, must be approved to run the event.........................................
MA will not allow a seperation of the titles and determins the class's that are run.....even to say up too the last minute before competition starts ( fact as this is what happened)
MA take no responsability as to determination of the GCR's and enforce the Steward or Clerk of Course to sort out this mess. proof in the fact that the multipule entry rule was overturned at the last minute because it is not in the GCR's, therefore you may enter a pre 75 in every class up to pre 85, no sense in this but that was the final decision,ie i bike 33 races
MA set the dates, funny how convienant it is for them that they can send out info with the handbook, has this ever been offered before? and why did it take so long for MA to finally approved our date last year
every year its the same thing, tracks no good, only 3 lap races, folding footpegs, young racers,
How about we all just turn up and accept the clubs are doing their best
Next big ? will MA now offer them same help to the event 2011 and onwards. or is it just the select?
Cheers Worms
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Sorry guys. I was talking generally, not specifically to your two posts. The thread in general seemed to sway between club level and national level at different points.
Interesting points Trev.
Actually I am going to ban myself from posting after midnight. Tired and posting, not a good combo. It looks so angry ::)
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Go chainsaw some more trees up Brad, do your bit for the enviroment. ;D
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we had this problem and answers, ideas,question when pre 80 was getting to large. now its pre85, pre90, in five years it will be pre98, where do you stop.
It needs to be work out, if not, we will kill this sport with too much politic, and just be satified with what we have and improve our meetings with better tracks.
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I've een reading this thread for a few days now ad it's not going anywhere(go back to the start and read it again and you'll get what I mean)
It's not that hard guys, walk into a paddock, look around at the terrain and then walk around with some pegs and tape and presto!! you have a scramble!! then you put a fence around it, put in a start gate and make a few jumpsright where the spectators are and next thing you know, the whole place is stuffed and you either have to find a new paddock or put up with what you have, or ring in a 'dozer and make it what you want-there goes the grass and natural terrain.
There is no reason you can't run different classes on the same circuit with som mods here and there, cut that hill out or that creek out etc etc....They did it when there were juniors and heaven forebid even for the holy sidecars..Take out the bits that are deamed too hard or too rough, use whitches hats if you have to, to put the earlier bikes around the rough ruts made by the later evo bikes- just make some races and let us ride-that's why we come ad pay for chris sake. And stop bitchen' or they will pack up and take their ball home!!!!
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Nathan, I am 60 years of age, I was entered in the Pre 65 250 class, mostly old men on old bikes, as this class was dropped, I had the option of the Pre 70 250 class or the Pre 75 250 60+ class, I went for the latter.
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Nathan, I am 60 years of age, I was entered in the Pre 65 250 class, mostly old men on old bikes, as this class was dropped, I had the option of the Pre 70 250 class or the Pre 75 250 60+ class, I went for the latter.
Fair enough.
The pre-70 250 class was hardly over-run with youngsters - I'm pretty sure I was the youngest at 33, and the fast guys in the class all seemed to be in their 50s.
Are you sure that you couldn't have run pre-70 250 and pre-75 age race? I know about the one bike = one class rule at the Nats, but age races don't really fit that rule so maybe it could have happened?
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Connondale was to me, great race meeting from pre 65 to pre90, it worked well, l would have like to see a tractor with a smugger at one stage, but instead they watered it to much, but at the end of the day it work well. EML, i agree, it does not take much to find a paddock that a farmer knows that MA Australia has a 2o million dollars cover insurance, Peg a track out, get the help from a near by town, service clubs devote there time give them a donation and it will all work out. Design the track in the eurpean way long and flowing, wide, make the corner flowing not stop and start corners, long fast straights, up and down hills through creeks, if you have one, and you have just created a track that will suit all makes and model.
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I've been reading this thread for a few days now ad it's not going anywhere(go back to the start and read it again and you'll get what I mean)
You nailed that in one.
And now we're turning our attention to bagging Pre 90 & Pre 98.
There always seems to be some sort of paranoia about later classes coming in.
There was no Pre 90 at Connondale.
Their will be no Pre 90 at Broadford.
I don't know of any push to bring Pre 90 to the Nationals.
Pre 90 is only at club levels.
Focus guys, focus
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tractor with a smugger
Whats a Smugger? interested is all.
As for water dammed if do, dammed if ya don't.
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I would rather ride on an over watered track that will dry out than dust that just gets worse!!!..... it's a lot safer too.
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How far off topic are we now?
Most tracks will water during the day, particularly during breaks in sessions and particularly the problem areas. I didnt see this happen at Connondale - but considering how well the event was run, I assume that there's a reason beyond "We didn't think of that!"...
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I think he means a Smudger, to smudge or flatten the surface-or he might mean a smuggler, to get some extra groog into the pits/lol. OR to smuggle an evo bike into the flammin' pre 65 250 class-fugged if I know.
Look, as long as our collective bums point south, we will have these arguments-in 20 yrs they will want to add CRF's et al to the evo class for christ sake!!!
Aust. is far too large and under populated to do what they do in other countries-that is have 6 round comps travelling from state to state. It's hard enough in Europe were they do pay start monies, to scrape enough to get from country to country.
''As I have said before and I'll say it again''- Until we find a promoter to pay us to race(or show up) and collect the gate fee (from the spectators) to pay us, we will just go round and round until we're dizzy and fall off.(some don't even wait to get dizzy)
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I reckon you could double that first bit Vwalter and tripple the second bit and when you get the hang of it maybe start doing some tricks......superman....nac nac (or in your case knacka knacka).....and maybe the worlds first backflip on a 95hp shopping trolley? ;) ;D ;D, I can see it now- full sponsership from red bull, them little pitty girls walking around, what do ya reckon???? Seriously though, there not all dingbats in Mexico, the track will be changed and it will be awesome just you wait and see!!!. Vwalter, do you want me to get Mr Morris to make some ramps up for you? :)
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''How far off topic are we now??"
Well, it is raining here in Qld and we wont need to water between races if it keeps up. But if it keeps up, we'll have to send the dog around the sheep-speaking of sheep-which we weren't, but now are,Alison is right- get some yourselves and some helpers out to prep the track and help out on the day with promises of a trip to Bali for the best flag waver etc... etc... and make it happen.
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You've just got the wrong glasses on Vwalter, go find em. :)
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Brad can explain the technik to you.
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( Perth is grassy tracks and NSW and ACT are... lets say, a bit more demanding, to be polite.
Never seen a grassy track in Perth or should i say WA they are either gravel or sand. Manjimup is gravel and sand and damn hard. The home track at narrogin for the VMX club is extremely hard gravel. Bit concieted saying the tracks in NSW and ACT arr more demanding. To be polite i would just say all tracks are different, and when you can find a nice grassy track in the dry state of WA let me know. No offence meant in my reply
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get over it boys to late to change the venue now,make the most of it. ;D
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Sorry Tossa, my description of tracks was abit vague and inaccurate , Grassy and your description means all the things what you said . Different set ups are needed for sky jumps , 30 " studders , stop -go corners , bone braker jumps and similar so called " modern " tracks . In my application list there is a subtitle covering the two applications . 1) VMX application 2)VSX application ( Vintage super cross)
I see where you are now coming from. Honestly without having to do any work to change anything. One of the hardest and fairest tracks around the country, whether vintage or modern would have to be manjimup. Rode the support class (pre85) at the manjimup 15000, on a 1974 Yamaha MX360A. track was absolutely brilliantly prepared. Is used on the Saturday for a junior (all day) race day.. No doubles, stutters, some jumps not suited (bull) just ridden differently to later model bikes. Great course, hopefully one day you'll get a Vintage Nats on it
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see - one of the reasons why this should be a different thread - I think (?) the topic of conversation has moved onto the fact that tracks and eras should be different (or whatever) - No intent to shit bag this years or last years events - both tracks work with what is allowed by MA - however some people are saying MA is it time to split and because of this this and this......
I don't read any of this as having a go at Conondale or Bradford - just something for consideration maybe
Rossco
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and that would be Broadford - if anyone knows where Bradford is could they please point me in the right direction :D
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Drakie's no dill, he will have it sorted. One very experienced National Level track preparer has been approached and it will be sweet.
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Yep,
SX tracks for SX bikes
MX tracks for MX bikes
& VMX tracks for VMX bikes
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Nathan, you maybe right, maybe I could have rode in both, I was not told that at the time.
This year I will be on a very good and very quick CR250 Mag Husky for the Pre75 60+ 250 class, so I will no excuses.
I will still ride my CR400 Husky in the Pre75 263 and over 60+ class and I will still enter the 67 250 Cross Husky (with a bit more preparation) in the Pre 65 250 Class, hoping the class won't be dropped this time.
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old drakeys he`s ok, straight shooter.
Oh a bit of free style eh? Thats one of them back flips :D :D
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Dot , you are a idiot
Shooting off your dumb mouth again.
Remove your post or i shall unleash.
Maico Stu
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maico stu, what ever you call yourself, don`t threaten me, what is your problem
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This is how dumb you are ALLSLOP
Have insulted the vcm committee who work very hard to run a race series in victoria
There are eight people on the commitee who picked up the pieces after you and your cronies left it.
The register has 100 people on it and is getting stronger
Do you realize what you say in your posts,
The thread is about the nats and maybe about drakie running them
Not what you did 20 years ago
No one cares!
Maico stu
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Thanks Wasp, My name is Alsop, if you are going to slander me to get your point across get my name right, The sub- committee was founded to set up a governing body about rules and regulation for vintage scrambling or today Motorcross not about running race meetings around the country side. Clubs across victoria are the ones that should be and willing to host a round of vintage race meetings. So its you members that are doing wrong and not following what the sub- committee was set up to do for the sport, and you cannot see that. ???
We do care a lot. This forum is about expressing your feeling about our vintage movement.
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Wasp, as you have mentioned before and keep saying ...Quote " Thats why I clean my locker every two weeks"
Why post at all ???
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Hi Old Husky--reference my reply 16 and your reply 114--my point re age groups was triggered by seeing the race order for Broadford Nats [item 30] where age races are "All Powers" meaning you [and this affects all other Pre 75 riders with multiple bikes] can ride your 400 in your age race ,but your only option with your 250 is the open to all ages 250 class. Or of course your 250 in 60+ All Powers ,and the 400 against the kids. I hope this covers the point raised in Nathan reply 19. This Item 30 in the S/Regs prompted the conclusion that the reason for dropping the capacity/age classes was the conjestion in the program e.g too many classes. Looking to the future ,when we hope the sidecars will flourish ,Pre 90 is inevitable ,etc, do we drop more old bike/old bloke classes or research options to solve the problem. Obviously there is a natural attrition in old bikes & blokes but we should keep them going as long as possible.
There is a chicken & egg situation--are entries dropping in Pre 65 [especially 250] and other minority classes because the programns don't suit them ,or do the programns not cater for them through lack of entries ? The older riders will face this same conundrum. Four 60+ riders in our club alone have normally entered all three Pre 75 capacity classes [not any more ]
I offered a solution for the future ,not a criticism of the present. Separate title events solves the conjestion issue ,hopefully retains more of the old bike/old blokes ,allows more time for decent practice ,negates the need to reduce laps due to accident delays ,enables organisers to hold presentations on time etc etc. I agree that in the main tracks have not been a major problem [especially as the throttle works both ways ] however separate events ,say Pre78 & sidecar at one ,78+ the other allows for more specific track prep. and maintenance.
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all very good points super 50 ,,what do you think of DJ's idea of every alternate year for the split era Nationals . 8)
cheers
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Supersenior50 made some good points as Alison concured, however the answer will never be split meets on alternate years for the very reason I posted earlier, Aust is just too big and you will be dividing the already small cake even smaller. I think we always need to keep as many classes and age groups open as long as we can, even to the point of if only one elderly gent wishes to ride his 250DOT on the day, then let him and give him a trophy for turning up!
If we drew something of a crowd to see these old boys ride their old bikes then you would see the real reason we should do this-to show people how it was and what they rode. In reality it is supposed to do two things-one is to give guys the oppurtunity to have a ride on their sweet old bikes and as I said to show them off.
Let's not forget why we come-FUN.
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How many people competed at Tassie or Qld Nats on both pre-75 and Evo+ bikes at the one event? (Ignoring pre-78 for the moment as they could be happily put into either group)
Brad is the only one that springs to mind - maybe TM Bill and Ribbo too?
My gut feeling is that splitting the eras into two events would actually be a problem very few people - but you'd want to research it before making the change.
I know I'm not fit enough to ride more than three bikes at a meeting, so I'm more likely to take three bikes to the pre-78 titles, and then take two or three bikes to the Evo+ titles (rather than just taking three pre-78 bikes to the All-In Nationals). I don't know how many others have the same attitude, but there's the potential to increase the total number of entries.
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Just rang Broadford accommodation and its getting tight on rooms for the Nationals,for those not camping get in quick.... Shocked 8)
cheers
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Not really a huge prob, Alison, as it's only about a 40 min run from the upper suburbs of Melbourne, and there's some great little b and bs tucked away in the hills behind Broady in and around where that horrific fire went through last year. ;)
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Not really a huge prob, Alison, as it's only about a 40 min run from the upper suburbs of Melbourne, and there's some great little b and bs tucked away in the hills behind Broady in and around where that horrific fire went through last year. ;)
yep its all good... 8) we like to support the Broadford country folk as this great land of ours was born on the sheep's back......probably a good Kiwi joke in there. ;) ;D
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Broadfords Surrounding towns...
Kilmore 15 minutes
Seymour 20 minutes
Trawool 30 minutes
Yea 35 minutes
Wallan 20 minutes
"GMC park" 6 minutes ;D
Add 03 to all numbers of course, and if you want me to check out any of
these places further let me know.
Motels......
Seymour, Auto Lodge Motor Inn 5792 1700
Seymour, Best Western New Crossing Place 5792 2800
Seymour, Comfort Inn Coach & Bushmans 5792 3744
Seymour, Golden Chain Wattle Motel 5792 2411
Seymour Motel 5792 1500
Broadford Sugarloaf Motel 5784 1069
Kilmore, Kestral Motor Inn 5782 1457
Kilmore Motel 5782 1346
Wallan Motel 5782 1346 (in Kilmore)
Yea Motel 5797 2660
Yea-Tartan Motel 5797 2202
Bed & Breakfasts.......
Wallan, Allegra Casa At Hidden Valley 5783 2997
Yea, Belvoir Historic 5797 3311
Yea,Cheviot Glen Cottages 5797 2617
Kilmore, Bindley House 5781 1142
Kilmore, Laurel Hill Cottage 5782 1630
Seymour, Saratoga Lodge 5799 2669
Trawool, Clyde Cottage 5799 2302 (10 minutes past Seymour)
Trawool, Schoolhouse Gallery 5792 3118
Hotels.....
Broadford Hotel 5784 1845
Commercial Hotel Broadford 5784 1302
Kilmore, Macs Hotel 5782 1317
Kilmore, Red Lion 5782 1411
Wandong, Magpie & Stump Hotel 5787 1999
Wallan, Rattlers Hotel 5783 1324
Seymour, Railway Club 5792 1016
Seymour, Royal Hotel 5792 1004
Strath Creek Saloon 5784 9223
Tallarook Hotel 5792 1743
Convention Centres
Lancemore Hill 5782 1844 Has convention centre & accomodation, Halfway
between Lancefield & Kilmore Approx 30 min. www.lancemore.com.au
Trawool Valley Resort 5792 1444 (nice)
I think there's another B & B a bit further down my Rd. but I don't have the number at the moment, Katies B & B??
Caravan Parks in Kilmore & Seymour, don't have numbers handy at the moment.
Hope this helps,
Geoff
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Is there going to be a class for the Bantams as was spoken of some time back? as an old customer of mine was in the other day and proceeded to tell me of his little old bike that he used to ride in the hills of the Snowy Mtns 40yrs ago-his little bantam that he took the lights and guards off. He still has it in the shed, though he tells me the paints a little off!!
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GMC Accomodation and Booking Centre..
It has come to our attention that you have not supplied a relevant traffic entry point to your Broadford Estate .
Is Tullamarine Airport in the proximity to this prestigious National Vintage Motocross event.?
yours in VMX ;) ;D
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Alison Alison Alison
Have I got a deal for you.
I will give you first refusal on this lovely air conditioned on-site van.
Incredibily roomy inside it features lovely views and is just 50 casual minutes from Tullamarine airport.
A very easy drive for the commuter.
Plenty of parking available and close to the track.
I won't list the price for this one lest that pesky tripod from Elmore tries to undercut me again.
POA.
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Ask about our special deal for bringing your own broom.
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There's also a caravan park in Wandong.
Craigieburn is the next suburb down about 35-40 minutes away.
We also have down in the south pasture, on Merino Ave. our accomodation for visiting New Zealanders.
It is also very roomy with lots of parking available.
Comfortably shaded by a lovely huge Gum tree.
Comes with outdoor furniture for no extra charge.
All for the very affordable price of just one unmolested sheep.
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Please note; This accomadation is not available to Aussies as those big gum trees have a habit of dropping branches, which could result in the lovely room being crushed.
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Geoff Geoff Geoff...
I have needs & wants............
I prefer green cheque chenille curtains and a sign reading
If it's Rock'n don't come Knock'n.... so as to keep my Husband happy ;) ;D
also my last request, supply of Ear Plugs to reduce the baaaaaaring noise from the neighborhood during the night.
yours in VMX
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Has anybody read the fine print on the sub regs? If you enter after the 15th of Jan its $185.00 to enter + $15.00 for extra bikes.
Is everyone aware of this?
Maico Stu
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The Bill for the ambalance service came in way higher than was expected so they have had to raise the entry fee to cover it however they have droped the price of a second or third bike entered to try and offset it a bit.
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Two years ago in tassie it was $110.00 at a natural terain event which is way more expensive to run
maico stu
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200 riders @ $185 = $37000.Average of two bikes per rider is another $5500. How much can more can it be? :-\
This is looking like a money grab all round. QVMX did very well from the nats and they didn't charge as much.
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sounds like its reeme the racer again how much next month a extra 20.00 for the hotdog van
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I agree Brad what a great event and well priced.
Isn't the idea to raise more money through sponsorship?
Maico Stu
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What's that mean TMBill?
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Entry fees . Item 5:1 Is what Alison has Quoted from.
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Can someone tell me why there is 3 classes for sidecars and NO pre 75 age group racing?.....Conondale had 8? sidecars.
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Well, the only thing l will say, this will be my last year racing the Aust vintage Titles here in Victoria, and other states when a good fun thing is happening like vintage racing, politic, money, greed become the main event, our beloved sport will die.
I am sorry that it came out wrong fellows, this is what l ment to say.
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What ? ???
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Let's fire up the Dot-to-English translator.
Well, l only have one thing to say: This will be my last year racing the Australian Classic Motocross Titles. [Portions of this translation have been removed as they cannot be translated into English]
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200 riders @ $185 = $37000.Average of two bikes per rider is another $5500. How much can more can it be? :-\
This is looking like a money grab all round. QVMX did very well from the nats and they didn't charge as much.
090, do you really think that there will be 200 riders though?
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Let's fire up the Dot-to-English translator.
That's funny. ;D ;D ;D
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Personally I think anything around $200 entry fee for an Open meeting is OK and cheap compared to other sports I've been involved in.
There is no evil overlord, excecutives or shareholders pocketing the money - the money goes back into the sport covering costs and developing facilities. This is especially true of a club like PMCC, the promoting club. They along with the Harley & Newport clubs have poured plenty of time and money into the Broadford complex over the years to make it what it is.
I think the Broadford complex is an amazing accomplishment for a non-profit / volunteer group of clubs & MV. Every time I go there you can see more work that has been put into the place..that's where your money's going.
Sponsorship is lucky to cover the trophies & prizes,its never going to help reduce the entry for something like VMX. As a group we are a very small market, apart from a few niche suppliers who is going to get any benefit out of sponsoring VMX? I reckon the guys that are putting in sponsorship dollars are probably doing it more out of passion than any real buisness case
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If it's owned by the state government, then wouldn't these clubs/MA have to pay a hire/lease fee ?
Still owned by Motorcycling Victoria, I think they started calling it the "State Motorcyling Complex" after the state government tipped in some money for the World MX & Supermoto rounds a few years back but MV still retains ownership, Harley Club owns some of the land. Preston Club has paid a large some of money into Broadford as a loan to MV to help pay for the Road Race Track which has been outstanding for about 20 years so I'm guessing they don't pay a hire fee
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Just a note to explain the price rise for the ACMXCs.
As head of the organizational pyramid, I get all the lightning strikes so I can cop that. But just so that you know what’s involved; I’ll try to explain.
I tried to keep the cost to the previous level but when the budget blew out with increased ambulance and scoring costs and we couldn’t attract a sponsor to this Australian Championship, we had a potential walkout by the organizing club as they would take a huge loss. Compromise became necessary and although I’m as cheap a bastard as the rest of you we had to save this event and hike the price to break even.
On a happier note, we have secured Gary Jones to stay in the country for one more week after the HBBB and he will compete in the ACMXCs, give out the awards at the Sunday night presentation dinner and possibly give a riding school on the Monday after HBBB.
Now, if there is interest in a riding school (and we get all the permits in place) for 10 riders for 3 hours am and 10 more pm; let me know via peter@ma.org.au
Also, Gary needs to be on a 1974 Honda 250 Elsinore for the HBBB so I need to hear from anyone who has a good example of one for him to ride (email me a pic too). The HBBB sessions will also double as a tryout for bikes to ride at the ACMXCs; so if you have something of interest that Gary could test, let me know. We already have a Can Am 250 MX2. A 1973 twinshock YZ would be cool.
As for the Interstate Challenge, the heat I’m getting will ensure the event will be a great grudge match. Bring it on.
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200 riders @ $185 = $37000.Average of two bikes per rider is another $5500. How much can more can it be? :-\
This is looking like a money grab all round. QVMX did very well from the nats and they didn't charge as much.
090, do you really think that there will be 200 riders though?
Well when I'm talking out my back side anything is possible. I am presuming that amount. I wouldn't be to far off though me thinks.
Thanks for replying Drakie, I will admit I know nothing about running an event and the costs involved. I only know that the last nat's yielded a nice profit. In the end I'm coming down so I had better get my entry in.
I hope the old boys still attend even though they won't get the amount of age group races as in the past.
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Turn the light on, the moths start coming in.
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smoke and mirrors
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HA, HA That funny paul
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smoke and mirrors
Apparently he's been reading the novel "How to create Maico legends" ;D
"I hope the old boys still attend even though they won't get the amount of age group races as in the past."
Admittedly I haven't read the Supp regs, but as I understand it all the age group races are still on, they are now "all powers" races.
No doubt this will upset some, the 125 riders will feel hard done by, but I think it may be a good thing.
In the past if there wasn’t enough over 65’s then they were put in with the over 50’s or even the over 40’s etc.
The all powers scenario may create a fuller grid of old blokes but all on different capacities. My observations on life are that I travel much the same speed no matter what I am on so I don’t think the different capacities will effect the outcome too much, although their will be fewer trophies at the end of the day.
Better that all old blokes race each other regardless of capacity
than
All 125’s race each other regardless of age.
And just to add some classes, ::) I think it would be a good thing if all powers age races were added for the Evo class, as I would rate this as the next most important class behind Pre 75.
I note that a lot of “old” guys are into this class. I envisage that you would be able to enter on an Evo or Pre78 bike just as you can enter pre 75 age races on a Pre 70 or Pre 65.
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How are you Walter?
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create a monopoly and stick it too the small fry
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ther were enough riders at conondale nats
to run over 50s 125/250/open classes
dont they have the numbers down there
didnt they drop the amount of riders in pre65
to constitute a class
seems strange they combine age group capacitys
never been done before from what i can remember
at conondale we accepted entries up to 2 weeks prior
to fill those classes which it did
so if i entered over 50 125/250/ 0pen
and cart three bikes down does this mean i race one ???
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so if i entered over 50 125/250/ 0pen
and cart three bikes down does this mean i race one ???
Didn't you cart 5 bikes to conondale and just race one?? ;D
You'll have a spare for each moto..
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and cart three bikes down does this mean i race one Huh
No it just means only one age group race and the others are all in's.
Didn't you cart 5 bikes to conondale and just race one?? Grin
You'll have a spare for each moto..
And that wasn't even his bike :D :D :D :D
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I think it sucks as they have allways had the age group races. I feel for the over 60's guy's as most of them have pre 75 125/250/open class bikes and they DONT want to be racing against 20/30/40 year olds. Not many people are going to travel 1000, 2000 or whatever km's to ride 1 bike. Remember this is Vintage Motocross and these guys are the original's, we should be so lucky that they can still compete AND are still around/ interested in our sport. How many of you out there watch these guys and go "gee, I hope I can still ride when I'm that age"?. These people have been in this sport for 30,40,50 or so years and I think that the organisers of this event should hold there heads in SHAME for basically saying "well you've had your turn, now f--k off and go back to your nurseing home". As far as I understand the age group races have been there from day dot (I'm not having a go at you Dave), EVO and Pre 85 have not and the reason given by Mr Drakeford as for dropping the age group racing was to accomodate these 2 classes. WELL, as far as I'm concerned you can f--k them off . I know you have to move with the times but Conondale proved that there are plenty of people who want to race in the age groups. The organisers should have taken a leaf out of the Sunshine State clubs " best ever Nat's". The Nats have allways? been on a long weekend to help people with travel time (contrarry to belief nobody makes a living racing VMX in Australia) etc as we know we live in a rather large Island and I think MA and MVIC are just out for a money grab with 2 big events after each other. I'll add to this later as I've got to go do some work now.
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Hi
I was going to race in the over 60 pre75 125 race but it seems to be that we are not worthy of consideration in the grand plan,the over 60 pre 75 250 racers are deemed of no concern either ,we have to compete against the open class bikes, or race against the young punks in the all age pre 75 125, 250 class,
W T F,is going on
We need to separate the "Vintage/Classic" Titles from the "Modern" Vintage Titles, that is, have a title meeting on an appropriate track for Pre75 or pre78 bikes and riders and have a meeting for the "modern" vintage bikes and riders at a different time and track, it will solve a lot a problems trying to accomodate both groups of different bikes on the same race program.
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Hi Walter,
just because a younger faster rider can beat me doesn't mean I'll stop riding Vintage MX, when I can't ride a bike by myself, I'll just get one of those bikes that needs trainer wheels, and a passenger to help me .
L O L
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. Imagine Michael Schuhmacher pushing for an age class this year ???.
Imagine Michael Schumacher turning up at a Classic Grand Prix and acting it like it was a real world championship ??? I agree with you Walter to a point about "made up" classes but doesn't the whole Vintage scene really fit into that catergorie?
We all won't to win but lets face it we are racing VMX not current modern Championship racing.
I think in Vintage racing there need to be room for words like fun, participation etc which are out of place in modern racing. These old guys deserve their race
I'm only interested in Pre 85 and Pre 90 (sorry to mention the unmentionable) but I think when these extra classes start to impact on the age group classes its time to make a change, it has to be better for everyone if the Championships get split next year
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Doesn't matter in which event I ride, will always finish at the back, but you can't take the smile from my face!!
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It is a bit ordinary
Granted , Coffs , Tassie and especially Connodale will be hard to beat , but hey its a new year with new challenges
Just enter (Support your sport)
Whats the problem guy's or is this just the the usual pre-nationals moan.
People moaned about going to Coffs , people moaned about going to Tassie , people moaned about going to Connondale , thats just natural.
Here's a challenge , new every year for this hardcore mob ,Spare a thought for the West Australians , they had a great turn out at Coffs , Tassie and Conondale , lets stay focused on the goal. Support for the ongoing running of this always fabulous event.
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Good one Rob. This pre nats negativity arcs up every year and while there are some relevent points being made, why is it that the negatives always overshadow the positive aspects?
While I disagree with the lack of capacity age groups and have voiced my opinion directly to Drakie, in the end this is how it is and all of the whingeing isn't going to change one thing. Let's support the event as our sports premier competition event and worry about any consequences of the changes in the post event wrap up. Drakies been around this sport since man evolved from the ape and knows the ropes. Give him and the event a fair go.
Perhaps it is time to split the Nats into two seperate events but let's debate it after the Broadford Nats.
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but lets debate it, come up with a plan and put it to MA. It seems to be the one idea continually coming up which a significant majority agree with?
I hope Broadford goes well and everybody has a blast :)
Rossco
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but lets debate it, come up with a plan and put it to MA.
Rossco
Rosco this is not a personal dig at you.
I'm trying real hard not to get into club politics here,but ;D its been done before and now the GCR's have changed again with words like run independently 18.13.1.2..
Until the club secretaries from every Ozvmx club can get together and collate a letter and present it to MA ,nothing ain't ever gonna get done to the sup regs of Classic Nationals. Of course not every man and his dog will be happy with the collated letter,but hey at least they/we tried.
You as club members need to ask/request of your club secretary and committee to support what you want :P
cheers
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Back to Nats & Bikes,spotted this beauty in Tasmania Nationals 2007,,,Is this one still racing around some where ???
cheers
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/2007_Nationals_35.jpg)
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Alison, That's Dons bike of Coffs Harbour, It's been around the traps for a while.
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Who is going to run the Nats in 2011?
Any takers? I dont agree with the no capacity age class nore the support races (myself) but its the promoting clubs choice to promote the meeting within the footprint that is the GCRs as the case with the Nats 2010.
The way to make sure you get what you want is to run it next year and I suggest that you get in the submission quickly as the decision time is in May.
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here here and may the promoting club be a strong advocate & visionary of preserving Classic Motox 8)
cheers
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Hi
you are right, looking to the future, Evo, pre 85, and pre 90 all have to be catered for at the National level , and maybe even age groups somewhere as well , so the competitors of these classes should trying to determine their own destiny now , before the powers to be tell how "they" want to have it run .
All of these classes are able to run on any MX track , anywhere, so the hard parts are already done .
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The opportunity to run the Nationals is there, the question is who is up to it.
The proposal that puts forward a split say (for example) runs pre78 and all age classes as one event and EVO, Pre 85 as a stand alone with modern support or pre 90 support - whatever - is there . What it takes is a club or clubs with some forward thinking inderviduals to put up the concept of their choice. I know MA is all ears for anything that promotes the sport, looks outside the box, is inovative that creates interest and keeps alive what we do; its just a matter of doing it.
It may be that another Conondale is run that incorperates all aspects of the competition in a single event - Conondale proved last year that with slick organisation it is more than possible to run the event.
Michael is right, its up to the stake holders (riders) to set the course of the sport.
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i also dont agree with the no capacity age group
they have obviously studied the gcr,s
and decided to cut them to make room for other classes
and make it a allpowers
what next ???
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What also annoys me about the Nats is the fact that it will be held a week after the Broadford Bonanza where a rather large amount of people will visit, now I know MA has promotion's people so you would think the best way to showcase our sport (VMX) would be to do it in front of a large crowd of people to gain maximum exsposure, obviously we dont rate so we get punted to the next weekend where the majority of people there will be the competitors, familly and friends and of course MA ect get their grubby little hands on some more payola!....Bastard's.
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Reference my post 113--some stats from Conondale which may illustrate the age/capacity issue.
Pre 75 263+ age races had a combined total of pointscoring riders 42. Only 20 scored in 263+ open
" 250 " " " " " 42 " 26 " 250 "
" 125 " " " " " 29 " 25 " 125 "
CONCLUSION Of the 113 riders scoring in the age races ,only 71 did so in the open.the rest [apprrox 40%] either didn't enter or were eliminated.This is a clear illustration of the popularity of the age catagories.
Of the 42 age riders in the 263+ class ,6 rode all three capacity classes.[if only age races are "all powers"-a loss of 12 entries]
" " " " " ,13 " two " " " " " 13 "
" 30 " 250 class that did not ride in 263+ ,6 also rode 125.[ " " " " 6
Total 31 "
CONCLUSION Based on Conondale ,31 entries are lost when age classes are reduced to just "all powers"
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OK.. forums are good ..ya can bitch heeps...
So we have 18.2.2.1 which can be twisted and screwed around to suit when needed.
Then you have a club that asks for ".................." in line with the GCR's and POW ,,,,,,,,no you cant do that------quick change the rules for next years GCR's !
This is so controversial/hypocritical its off the wall.
whats good for the goose is good for the gander (not)
ah I feel better now ;D
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Just wanted to make a comment about the proposed race format for the Nats.....I see the U 30 yo are on early in the day..race 4 and the "real" old guys are race 14...how about the oldies get moved up to the early slot whilst the track is relatively smooth..let the younguns loose later...also....pre 75 250 and 263 ond over are only one race apart...."most" (I think) guys who race pre 75 have a 250 and an open bike ..once again there is only one race between.....shove in a pre 85 or evo in the middle to give some of us a little bit more rest in between races...Come on PD.... ;)
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Here's and idea- divide the nats up into twin shock and evo.
It appears to me that the evo bikes are much harder on the track and make it very hard on the older bikes.
That would also open up the oppurtunity for the later lightweight sidecars to come back and race with the evos. There must be lots of those sitting in sheds around the country.
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Hi'
One more time
Heres an idea , divide the Nats into;"Modern Vintage" Evo, Pre 85 , Pre 90 , and Pre 95, (think ahead), to be run at a different time and place than the "Classic Vintage" ie; Pre 60,65,70,75 and pre 78,(we'll toss a coin to see who gets the sidecars) then we can make the tracks to suit both groups and all the riders', then we will have plenty of time to run the age group races just as Vintage MX has done in the past.
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This has been said a thousand times, but everyone just stares at their feet for a bit, until the subject changes to something else.
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Hi
Yes you are right , but in the not too distant future a change will be made, and those same people will still be bitching , start making plans to change the way YOU would like it to be,before its too late.
Some people make it happen
Some people watch it happen ,
The other people wonder what the hell happened
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Here's and idea- divide the nats up into twin shock and evo.
for a first time Nats competitor at conondale 09, riding both pre~75 and pre~70,
i never had an issue with the conondale track at all.
one small pothole {that i could ride around anyway} was all that bothered me over the 3 days of track time.
National events of the moto~x nature have for "years" been renown for getting chopped up.
ride around it, or over it, or just straight through the problem.
same track for everyone.
but having said all that,
i can understand the older guys needing things a bit smoother.
perhaps let them do all thier racing earlier in the program before things rut up too much.
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Jikov, Has a lot of merrit in what he is saying, as a rider and track designer, l personally can handle what is dished up at me, and l have always said and l will keep saying it, the tracks need to be longer and more flowing, longer straights to sort the boys from the men so it will free up this bunching at the first corner, The front straight must be european style your as one would say, design the track and straights to what it originally was back in the sixties and seventies, natural terrain. fast tracks. Its not rocket science.
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doesn't appear to be much participation from over here in the west, last count i believe there'll only be 3 swedish sewing machines, too early in the year for the guys over here. Still stinking hot and extremely dry. No ride day until 14 Mar. It's a pity but just one of those years
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Heres an idea , divide the Nats into;"Modern Vintage" Evo, Pre 85 , Pre 90 , and Pre 95, (think ahead), to be run at a different time and place than the "Classic Vintage" ie; Pre 60,65,70,75 and pre 78,(we'll toss a coin to see who gets the sidecars) then we can make the tracks to suit both groups and all the riders', then we will have plenty of time to run the age group races just as Vintage MX has done in the past.
I couldn't agree more. There are many good reasons for a split one being that with a less hectic program the traditional age classes can be reintroduced for the older categories. I know there are a lot of folks who are against age group racing but they're usually newer recruits to the sport who missed seeng just how successful an idea it was in the first decade of the sport.
The only downside is that is adds another bid event to an already crowded calendar, causing additional strain on the finances of those who race both divisions. It can be sorted though, with a little bit of cooperation between promoting clubs and a well spread out calendar.
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CAN SOME ONE PUT IT TO MA AND THE COMMISSION?
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they just did Dave, print it out and take it to your MA meeting :O)
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Drakey, is MA and Ross too, they could print it off. the next commsion meeting, could throw it around the table with good positive thoughts.
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I heard that they have Greeves only days in the UK, they can do this because there are so many of them over their.
Same with the 500 muster in SA, there is enough of them to make a meeting.
But I don’t think there is enough racers these days to successfully split the classes into separate week ends. I think more are into restoring than racing these days
Sure it’s hard to get all the classes fair track time but it’s not like the events are flooded with entries.
All this talk about age capacity classes and yet last I heard there was only 20 something entries. A few more entries and their might be enough to fill a grid with one all powers, all ages race.
And you wonder why promoting clubs get nervous in the lead up to these events.
Probably a catch 22 thing…
Some riders won’t turn up till it changes and it won’t change till more riders turn up.
Their still seems to be an assumption that pre 85’s like modern tracks and the tracks are built to suit them, but I think that a lot of guys riding Evo etc would prefer the natural terrain too.
I also think that it comes down to the club that puts in to run the event and the track that they happen to have available.
Pity not many WA guys can make it, I thought the double week end deal would make it more worth while for them to send their bikes over.
Went round to the track for an inspection last Thursday and thought it was looking good. The track was graded with the view to be able to drive a car around it, I think it comes pretty close.
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/gmcloa/BroadfordInspection-3.jpg)
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(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/gmcloa/BroadfordInspection-31.jpg)
If your wondering where the money goes, some of it goes to things like new bitumen around the track.
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/gmcloa/BroadfordInspection-33.jpg)
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GEEs I wish I could send some of QLDs rain down to ya.
The track looks good. Did ya get some air in the car ;D
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What is the difference between this tracks layout and last years track layout at the 2009 Bonanza weekend.
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Hey all, try these suggested race orders. Let me know your preferences, 1-4. Dunno how I collate them? Maybe our moderator can or email me at pd@ma.org.au
SUGGESTED RACE ORDER 1
1 Pre 1960 All powers (A/P)
2 Pre 1975 Up to 125
3 Pre 1965 Up to 250
4 Pre 1975 60 y.o. and over A/P
5 Pre 1965 263 and over
6 Pre 1968 Sidecars
7 Pre 1970 250
8 Pre 1975 30 to 39 y.o. A/P
9 Pre 1975 Four stroke A/P
10 Pre 1970 263 and over
11 Pre 1975 250
12 Pre 1975 Sidecars
13 Pre 1975 263 and over
14 Pre 1975 Under 30 y.o. A/P
15 Pre 1975 50 to 59 y.o. A/P
16 Pre 1975 40 to 49 y.o. A/P
17 Pre 1978 Up to 125
18 EVO 250
19 Pre 1985 263 and over
20 EVO 125
21 Pre 1985 Sidecars
22 Pre 1985 Up to 125
23 Pre 1978 250
24 EVO 263 and over
25 Pre 1985 250
26 Pre 1978 263 and over
SUGGESTED RACE ORDER 2
1 Pre 1960 All powers (A/P)
2 Pre 1975 Up to 125
3 Pre 1965 Up to 250
4 Pre 1975 60 y.o. and over A/P
5 Pre 1965 263 and over
6 Pre 1968 Sidecars
7 Pre 1970 250
8 Pre 1970 263 and over
9 Pre 1975 50 to 59 y.o. A/P
10 Pre 1975 Four stroke A/P
11 Pre 1975 30 to 39 y.o. A/P
12 Pre 1975 250
13 Pre 1975 Sidecars
14 Pre 1975 263 and over
15 Pre 1975 Under 30 y.o. A/P
16 Pre 1975 40 to 49 y.o. A/P
17 Pre 1978 Up to 125
18 EVO 250
19 Pre 1985 263 and over
20 EVO 125
21 Pre 1985 Sidecars
22 Pre 1985 Up to 125
23 Pre 1978 250
24 EVO 263 and over
25 Pre 1985 250
26 Pre 1978 263 and over
SUGGESTED RACE ORDER 3
1 Pre 1960 All powers (A/P)
2 Pre 1975 Up to 125
3 Pre 1965 Up to 250
4 Pre 1968 Sidecars
5 Pre 1965 263 and over
6 Pre 1975 60 y.o. and over A/P
7 Pre 1970 250
8 Pre 1975 30 to 39 y.o. A/P
9 Pre 1975 Four stroke A/P
10 Pre 1970 263 and over
11 Pre 1975 250
12 Pre 1975 Sidecars
13 Pre 1975 263 and over
14 Pre 1975 Under 30 y.o. A/P
15 Pre 1975 50 to 59 y.o. A/P
16 Pre 1975 40 to 49 y.o. A/P
17 Pre 1978 Up to 125
18 EVO 250
19 Pre 1985 263 and over
20 EVO 125
21 Pre 1985 Sidecars
22 Pre 1985 Up to 125
23 Pre 1978 250
24 EVO 263 and over
25 Pre 1985 250
26 Pre 1978 263 and over
SUGGESTED RACE ORDER 4
1 Pre 1960 All powers (A/P)
2 Pre 1975 Up to 125
3 Pre 1965 Up to 250
4 Pre 1965 263 and over
5 Pre 1968 Sidecars
6 Pre 1970 250
7 Pre 1975 Four stroke A/P
8 Pre 1970 263 and over
9 Pre 1975 250
10 Pre 1975 Sidecars
11 Pre 1975 263 and over
12 Pre 1975 Under 30 y.o. A/P
13 Pre 1975 30 to 39 y.o. A/P
14 Pre 1975 40 to 49 y.o. A/P
15 Pre 1975 50 to 59 y.o. A/P
16 Pre 1975 60 y.o. and over A/P
17 Pre 1978 Up to 125
18 EVO 250
19 Pre 1985 263 and over
20 EVO 125
21 Pre 1985 Sidecars
22 Pre 1978 250
23 Pre 1985 Up to 125
24 EVO 263 and over
25 Pre 1985 250
26 Pre 1978 263 and over
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Order number 4 looks ok.
Order number 1 no good. why because age class for 60`s and over is to close to pre65 class.
Keep the age group classes running after each other.
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I don't like the way you've got the era's clumped together. A lot of us ride several classes of ajoining era's.
For someone riding Evo and Pre '85 there is very little time between motos then you sit around for 17 races till the next race.
Last years program from Conondale seemed pretty fair.
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Last year I took two bikes (pre-70 250 & pre-78 125), and spent too much time sitting around. This year, I had loosely planned on taking four - it sounds like a lot, but its still not a whole lot of racing per day (particularly when you putter around at half throttle like I do...). It also gives a bit of redundancy if one of those young lunatic 45 year olds causes you to DNF a race...
However, I've just realised that bringing a pre-75 bike gives me two extra races, not just one. Maybe four bikes is too many?
Anyhow, I like Option #4 the best, because its the only one that spares me back-to-back races...
Edit: 090's suggested race order is just as good as Option 4, for me (see his post below this one).
Edit 2: I don't really care all that much - if I'm sucking in a particular class, or my body is complaining too much, then I fully expect to drop a class or two - and there will be no sulking from me.
SUGGESTED RACE ORDER 1
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6 Pre 1968 Sidecars
7 Pre 1970 250
8 Pre 1975 30 to 39 y.o. A/P
9 Pre 1975 Four stroke A/P
10 Pre 1970 263 and over
11 Pre 1975 250
12 Pre 1975 Sidecars
13 Pre 1975 263 and over
14 Pre 1975 Under 30 y.o. A/P
15 Pre 1975 50 to 59 y.o. A/P
16 Pre 1975 40 to 49 y.o. A/P
17 Pre 1978 Up to 125
18 EVO 250
19 Pre 1985 263 and over
20 EVO 125
21 Pre 1985 Sidecars
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SUGGESTED RACE ORDER 2
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5 Pre 1965 263 and over
6 Pre 1968 Sidecars
7 Pre 1970 250
8 Pre 1970 263 and over
9 Pre 1975 50 to 59 y.o. A/P
10 Pre 1975 Four stroke A/P
11 Pre 1975 30 to 39 y.o. A/P
12 Pre 1975 250
13 Pre 1975 Sidecars
14 Pre 1975 263 and over
15 Pre 1975 Under 30 y.o. A/P
16 Pre 1975 40 to 49 y.o. A/P
17 Pre 1978 Up to 125
18 EVO 250
19 Pre 1985 263 and over
20 EVO 125
21 Pre 1985 Sidecars
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SUGGESTED RACE ORDER 3
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5 Pre 1965 263 and over
6 Pre 1975 60 y.o. and over A/P
7 Pre 1970 250
8 Pre 1975 30 to 39 y.o. A/P
9 Pre 1975 Four stroke A/P
10 Pre 1970 263 and over
11 Pre 1975 250
12 Pre 1975 Sidecars
13 Pre 1975 263 and over
14 Pre 1975 Under 30 y.o. A/P
15 Pre 1975 50 to 59 y.o. A/P
16 Pre 1975 40 to 49 y.o. A/P
17 Pre 1978 Up to 125
18 EVO 250
19 Pre 1985 263 and over
20 EVO 125
21 Pre 1985 Sidecars
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SUGGESTED RACE ORDER 4
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5 Pre 1968 Sidecars
6 Pre 1970 250
7 Pre 1975 Four stroke A/P
8 Pre 1970 263 and over
9 Pre 1975 250
10 Pre 1975 Sidecars
11 Pre 1975 263 and over
12 Pre 1975 Under 30 y.o. A/P
13 Pre 1975 30 to 39 y.o. A/P
14 Pre 1975 40 to 49 y.o. A/P
15 Pre 1975 50 to 59 y.o. A/P
16 Pre 1975 60 y.o. and over A/P
17 Pre 1978 Up to 125
18 EVO 250
19 Pre 1985 263 and over
20 EVO 125
21 Pre 1985 Sidecars
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Here is my version, hopefully it is a help.You would be lucky to find someone that rides pre 70 and pre 85. The most logical way to do it is to mix the era's up. For eg guys that like to race pre 75 will race at least two of the three capacity classes.
Would this work :-\
1. pre 60
2. evo 125
3. pre75 125
4. pre 78 250
5. pre85 125
6. pre75 open
7. evo 250
8. pre 65 250
9. pre 85 Side cars
10. evo open
11. pre 78 125
12.pre 85 open
13. pre 75 30-39
14. pre 75 40-49
15.pre 75 50-59
16. pre 75 60+ (older guys generally speaking would not ride a pre 85 so something like that goes next to give the majority a break)
17. pre 85 250
18. pre 78 open
19. pre 75 4 stroke
20. pre 75 side cars
21. pre 75 250
22. pre 70 open
23. pre 68 side cars
24. pre 65 open
25. pre 75 up to 30yrs
26. pre 70 250
I have tried to mix the eras with the view older guys ride older bikes and younger ride younger. Alternatively, not using age but taste, guys tend to prefer long travel bikes regardless of their age and vice versa.
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Looks good to me. ;)
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GMC that track looks wonderbar :-* If we hear complaints on this track,tell them premix cement is cheapest at Bunnings.
I believe this years Nats may have been to early for us Westerners as we had just got home from Conondale Nats and then Christmas,then wham its March :P :-X my opinion only.
Great input for the class options too folks 8) -I would presume that the main sidecars would be pre85 only,thin chance you will fill the other sidecar class's and praying on the gathering of under pre 70 solo class's filling also :-X
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Hi Pete,
The race order is the hardest thing to do, we have orginized two nats and trying to make everyone happy is very hard we spent three days and still had troubles. In my experance I think Brads 090 order is very close to the mark, try and keep the pre 75 250 and pre 75 263 and over well away from each other as a lot of riders do both classes as well as try and keep Pre 85 open and Evo open away from each other also.I think you can generly run age groups one after the other as they never clash try to put a pre 85 or evo race straight after and before all the age groups as you are more likly not to have too many riders doing Pre85 or evo as well as pre 75 age group racing.
My opion only I think that you are doing a fine job.
Cheers
Fatboy
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Thanks one and all for the input.
I should have explained the concept is of a 'friendly to pre 1975 bikes' one where they get the optimum conditions early in the day and the longer travel bikes can cope with the ruts and bumps that develop.
Still, I'll await further comment.
Thanks for the photos GMC. Keep in mind it will be well watered with the fully automated system before the event.
A little (fast) birdy passed the word on that it was awesome in reverse and that there were a variety of passing lines that opened up in this direction.
Cheers,
D.
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Brad, i would have to say your race order is a very good starting point.
the only thing then is to colate the entries and avoid the combining of any class's which will throw a spanner in the works.
on a side note, i do not agree with the changes made to the GCR's for this event, especially the numbers to consitute a class, it devalues the titles and the holders of previous titles for that class, tooooo easy if you ask me, what happens next year, will we see titles awarded for just showing up. MA has devalued those titles by allowing this to happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT CLUB CONSULTATION TOOK PLACE???????????????????????????
As for the pre 75 class's,
good luck for the event, but what a precident you have put in place
Cheers Trev
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on a side note, i do not agree with the changes made to the GCR's for this event, especially the numbers to constitute a class, it devalues the titles and the holders of previous titles for that class, tooooo easy if you ask me, what happens next year, will we see titles awarded for just showing up. MA has devalued those titles buy allowing this to happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I reckon the titles are far more devalued if they're not awarded.
Every class has its lean years and its strong years. Sometimes a class has a lot of depth, sometimes it hasn't got as much - the bloke that beats the other riders who care enough to turn up, is worthy of the title.
Really, you could argue that EVERY class 'devalues' the most popular class title... If the guy that wins pre- 75 250 beats 50 other riders to be awarded the title, is he devaluing the Evo-263+ title, because you had to be 55 other riders to win it? Etc.
There's also the simple issue of trying to do the right thing by as many riders as possible. What good does it do the sport if you tell nine riders that they don't get their own class, and they go home with the poops?
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The Nationals (and VMX in general) is not just a race meeting - they're also about history. History of MX, and now even the history of VMX. To simply sweep aside classes because 'only' nine riders turn up, is pretty rude.
Maybe interest in (say) pre-65 is minimal nowdays, but history has given that class a place in the programme.
If it gets to the point where only one rider turns up with a pre-65 250, then so be it - that rider is still interested and therefore worthy of the title. I understand that there are valid arguments about wasting time watching one bike circulate (etc), but I reckon that every title is decided by the people who care enough to chase it - nothing more or less.
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Shite Drakie, I don't envy you or the team that sorts this lot out!!
I'm all for the Barstow to Vegas style-line 'em all up and let 'em go.
Nathan, I'm with you. let's face it, we wont get 10.000 screaming fans, but we will get some old guys that do want to watch old Beezas and Trumpys and Greeves etc... SCRAMBLING around a paddock !!! even if there is only one or two of them. And the rest of us will enjoy it too.
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Calling all diehards!
Hi guys;
I just got off the phone to a panicked Preston MCC organiser who canned me for suggesting that we would get 200 entries; no worries.
They only have 40 so far and are thinking of pulling the pin on the event!
No matter how much reassurance I give them they are close to the tipping point of cancellation, despite the closing date being 2 weeks away.
P-L-E-A-S-E get your entries in NOW!
MrEggOnHisFaceDrakeford.
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dont miss the point fellows!
dont devalue what this meet is"a NATIONAL TITLES" not a showcase like a CD event, you are paying to race for a title and therefore should not be watered down , changes accross the board for all class's yes but not just for this class or that one,
cheers Trev
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dont worry Drakie, they will all come at the last minute!
Cheers Trev
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dont worry Drakie, they will all come at the last minute!
Cheers Trev
Exactly Trev!
Too early to panic about numbers.. most people do leave it till the last minute.
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They only have 40 so far and are thinking of pulling the pin on the event!
No matter how much reassurance I give them they are close to the tipping point of cancellation, despite the closing date being 2 weeks away.
P-L-E-A-S-E get your entries in NOW!
MrEggOnHisFaceDrakeford.
Jebus- the Supp Regs arrived in the mail less than a week ago! And yet we're expected to have the entries back to them already?!
How does that make sense?
Surely you can find a thread from 2009, 2008 and 2007 where the organsiers were screaming for entries a fortnight before the closing date - and yet they all got decent numbers of entries in the last couple of weeks.
Worms, sure - I have absolutely no objection to pre-75 requiring six entries to make a National Title class. Not really sure what it would achieve, but there you go.
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It just supprises me that MA get envolved and all of a sudden things are changed without consultation, every other club has been able to run the Nationals without the deletion of class's or changes to numbers to consitute a class, so why cant MA do the same. I just dont think we should water down our National Titles just because of falling numbers and that is what has been done IMO
cheers Trev
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I thinks Brad's version of 11:48:09 will work..but still belive that the "old" guys 60y plus should be on earlier in the day...get them while they are still awake... :o ...so say..evo 125 , race 2 could be swapped with them at race 16...everything else looks OK.....still ya can't please everyone ..and someone will have an issue somewhere....best mix presented so far I believe...
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It just supprises me that MA get envolved and all of a sudden things are changed without consultation, every other club has been able to run the Nationals without the deletion of class's or changes to numbers to consitute a class, so why cant MA do the same. I just dont think we should water down our National Titles just because of falling numbers and that is what has been done IMO
cheers Trev
I see your point - but rather than seeing it as MA changing the rules when it suits them, you could look at it as MA finally making a change that's clearly been overdue.
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thats fine Nathan, but my point is what consultation took place, zip if any.
i dont care if there are changes, but dont you think the process for change is a matter of importance.
the changing of the GCR's to suit any one event or class at a National Title needs debate
Cheers Trev
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Hey Pete, thanks for asking and posting so others can have a say/ help out.
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Pete its typical of victorians leave it to the last minute to enter.
Most Viper entrys come in on the last week.
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brads race order is close to the mark ;)
how come we recieved entries in mail last week
well after the cutoff date for a discount entrie :o
entries are expensive enough as it is
my suggestion is scrap the late fee
that might help entries
we did it at conondale and we filled all classes
with the minimum of 10 for championship status ;)
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Hi Pete,
Dont worry about the entrys they will come with 2 days to entrys closing at our last Nats in Tassie we only had 24 and ended up with 125 so please tell the club not to panic, I personally, along with the guys that are traverling with me are sending our entrys over the week end ,just trying to finalise how many bikes we can fit.
It has always been a problem trying to get people to send there entrys and part with there money well before the even.
Cheers
Shane
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Jeez. it's along way from 1974 in NZ.
Used to walk into a paddock at 7.00am, run out some tapes and a flag or two. The secretary had an old caravan that was set up near the gate at 8.00am and signed the guys in as they drove up. Had 200 c graders in those days and we all raced for a $40.00 prize pot. And it usually pissed down to make it more fun.
Thems was the daze.
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maybe another consideration is the fact the Nationals are being overshadow by a non- competitive event as in BBB, maybe there needed to be a bigger gap between these events. Also the slow down in the economy will add to poor showing of competitors from interstate with the fact the Vic's have the lowest numbers in the sport in general! maybe this should also be a factor when awarding States with National Titles. Centrialisaton of the event to allow easy acces for all should be considered, and not just who had it last time mentality, with maybe one venue central NSW used primarially for this event.
i know what your thinking, but just my thoughts.
Worms
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My only killer is im running out of time to get a bike going, why april ? its always been a winter sport and in JUne side of the year. being this earlier is just that its a bit tooo early to get our arses in to gear. I get one step forwat 2 back, so it will be down to the last day to enter for me. On that not got the Rt running last night and the exhaust front blew out, any one going that can lend me one if i cant fill the holes up, the more i fill the more falls out.
Time just keep running out.
Before they thing about cancelling it, cant they think about moving it back a few months ?????
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I'm with freakie, i think it's one of the main reasons your not getting many Sandgropers. No body's had time or inclination to get in the shed, been a very long and hot summer over here. Only just been able to spend time in the shed to get ready for the season. i always thought championships were held towards the end of the season also
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i always thought championships were held towards the end of the season also
Depends how long you've been in the scene.
I remember the Nats at Barrabool in 96 were at Easter, and I thought one at Ravenswood was too?
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I understand what you are saying, but I thought the majority of championships are held towards the end of a season, to give riders/drivers whatever form of motor sport chance to get form, and bikes right
I don't think that having the Championships in the first month of the season to be the way to go, Our first meeting in WA is 11th April
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I remember the Nats at Barrabool in 96 were at Easter, and I thought one at Ravenswood was too?
We deliberately picked Easter to run the very first Nats at Dargle in '91 to enable entrants a travel day on either side of the two race days and for the mild Autumn weather conditions. The next Nats at Ravenswood were also held over Easter and so it remained for a number of years until the Nats were first held in WA (I can't remember the year, 1998 maybe?) which was changed to because Easter is too hot on that side of the island. While the event has returned to the traditional Easter date on the East Coast on numerous occasions, there hasn't been a set pattern. Both Queens Birthday (June) and October long weekends have been used along with random other dates.
I don't buy the " No body's had time or inclination to get in the shed" excuse for the lack of Sandgroper entries. It hasn't stopped them from travelling to any of the Easter Nats in substantial numbers in the past. I suspect politics are the real reason behind the lack of Sandgroper entries.
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I do agree with what you say Mark, plus Classic dirt can play a roll too, some rider enjoy the low key atmosphere of the meeting, without the pressure of racing. That may stop them from making the trip.
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Basic stats from the 96 program…
Pre 75 125 all ages 57 entrants
Pre 75 250 all ages 89 entrants
Pre 75 263+ all ages 39 entrants
Pre 75 4 stroke A/P 32 entrants
Pre 75 Sidecars A/P 6 entrants
Pre 65 4 stoke A/P 18 entrants
Pre 65 2 stroke A/P 8 entrants
Pre 70 A/P 33 entrants
Pre 75 under 30 125 11 entrants
Pre 75 30 - 39 125 26 entrants
Pre 75 40 - 49 125 11 entrants
Pre 75 50 + 125 10 entrants
Pre 75 under 30 250 14 entrants
Pre 75 30 - 39 250 37 entrants
Pre 75 40 - 49 250 23 entrants
Pre 75 50 + 250 19 entrants
Pre 75 under 30 250 9 entrants
Pre 75 30 - 39 250 31 entrants
Pre 75 40 - 49 250 20 entrants
Pre 75 50 + 250 14 entrants
States aren’t listed, just clubs. There seems to be reasonable entries from most states and a few from NZ.
Seems to be 151 entrants plus sidecar teams
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Ironically there were 160+ entries at the 1991 Dargle Nats and from memory the entries topped 200 on two or three occasions in the 90s and averaged out at around 160-175....all without any classes newer than pre '75 which would indicate to me that entries have suffered an overall decline. Considering todays entries are being boosted by the inclusion of Pre '78, Evo and now pre '85 it would appear that there's a problem in attracting riders that needs to be addressed. One would think that there'd be a substantial increase in entry numbers in twenty years considering the increased public awareness of the sport through the media and with the inclusion of newer cut off divisions.
The Condo Greybeards meeting which was held every Queens Birthday weekend usually enjoyed entries of upward of 200 during its lifetime and nothing since has come along coming close to matching it for numbers.
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I don't buy the " No body's had time or inclination to get in the shed" excuse for the lack of Sandgroper entries. It hasn't stopped them from travelling to any of the Easter Nats in substantial numbers in the past. I suspect politics are the real reason behind the lack of Sandgroper entries.
I can see where you might get that thought, but from talking to those who normally attend the NATS and I think in the past two yrs over 20 riders from the west attended in Tassie and Queensland, no mention of politics was heard. i think it's just one of those years where some of the usual suspect haven't got the time or money to attend. But then again mark I am a bit niave, and just enjoy the sport. no offence meant
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Mark, there are no politics here in the West..particularly when it comes to enjoying ourselves with attending a Nats....just too bloody hot to get enthused...We will only have one tuning day scheduled before we have to pack up and head to Broady....I for one am looking forward to riding there again..last time I was ther was the 1978 OZ titles....
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and I also think a few people are making the decisions as to whether to be included in the "racing for sheepstations" classes or the "get out and have a ride" group. I had already made the decision this year that the Nats were too serious for me and I was going to spend my money going to CD.
Rossco
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Unfortunately I've today decided that I won't be attending the Nats. I just plain can't afford A: to spend the week between the the Bonanza and the Nats away from home or, B: make two seperate 20 hour round trips a week apart. As I'm a play rider these days and the fact that we've booked a motel for the Bonanza, it wins out. Counting both weekends and the week in between the two events that's 11 or 12 days away from home that I can't justify.
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you are dead right Mark , its a long gap , espcially when you are in a job or run business . If you stay its a lot of time to drink beer and if you choose to go home its a long way for 3 or 4 days. I have chosen to go back to base in between the two events . Even if its only two days , many E-mails and calls can be answered and many parcels can be despatched. But it was definitely not the best idea to run it so close . Lets hope the nats will still go ahead .
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Firko, I could see from the above posts that this was where the thread was leading. We have to realise that there will be a divide between the racers and those that just want to show and ride their bikes.
We spoke earlier about dividing up the Nats between pre 85 and evo etc... but in reality I think natural attrition will take care of it. i.e. the fact that some will travel to race no matter where and others will stay at home to just show their garage queens or travel only if they have the time and money.
As I have said before Australia is too large ( as big as east Europe or the USA at least) with no where near the population to hold mega events where you could expect 1000s to turn up so we must get used to settling for wha we have.
We to will not be at Broadford for the Honda show as we have lost staff or had down time in the workplace and may not even make it to the Nats to chase a supposed "title", things are so bad , and we wil miss vital practise for the title because of it. We will still go to the sidecar spectacular as that's the only real place we race against a real field of like chairs, so that puts another spanner in the Nats spokes.
Until our sport can find a national sponsor/ :D we will never get a full roll up of the top guys on the top bikes of each era and so it's best to stick to the show and ride format ala CD7.
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EML , I understand that distance can be a problem , but what I can not understand is , why you would travel the same distance to support a club event ( spectacular ) in favor of the official australian Championship? ??? Is it because I want be at those clubevents, therefore you have the best chance to win ? ;D Just joking :D
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EML , do you have some sort of cencept in mind as a national sponsor ? I am interested , maybe we can help .
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Business is pretty quiet up here at the moment Walter, no thanks to our fuggin useless goverments (state and federal ), its been raining up here for the last month also and a lot of people havent been able to work so if theres no dough theres no go. I think also with the way they've fugged with the rules and the programme thats put alot of people off. Tell me Walter, do you know why there are 3 sidecar classes? and are YOU the only one entered?...... your gonna be as busy as a one legged man in a minefield dodging bullets!. I hope there not cancelled because Ive entered and booked flights etc already, if we go by the last couple of nats then well probably get double the entries they have got already ......40 to 80, I hope that is enough. It will be interesting to see how many people from each state enter?.
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The reason why there is 3 classes is very simple . Sidecars have evolved the same as solos . its only last year we combined all the classes to get at least some show . We did use a pre 75 to race in the pre 85 , I can tell you it was hard work . Fair enough I was still a cigarette smoking pig then with no fitness , that did not help either . So the reason to put up all 3 classes , is to give them all a chance to enter , because there is sufficient numbers of each class in sheds . But what you probably dont know is , there is politics invloved with sidecars . There is this ASA thing where people run " Australian title events " disquised as clubevents . No rules , as long as it has three wheels and two fee paying creatures manouvering their vehicle around some sort of track , its a goer . I certainly want lower myself to entertain or participate in such events . And thats when all grudges start . Even if we have to combine classes again this year , somehow the show will go on.
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Its not like me to miss the Nats. Except for those in WA and Tassie I've been to them all since 1991 and raced at 'em until 1999. It's just that the fun factor of our sport is now my number one prority so the Bonanza has more appeal. If my sponsored rider had decided to attend the Nats it may have been a different story, I would have entered him in a couple of classes on my bikes and did the opposite and missed the Bonanza instead. Whichever the case, it would have only been one or the other event, not both.
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I have decided today that l will not be racing my Dot at the nationals this year.
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no, dick ;D Ha Ha Ha
Honest Daves Used Bikes, who are you and is that name of yours a reflection towards me.
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Stop the whine and get ready to ride :P today's entry count 51... bring it on.... make it happen. 8)
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Even if you are a local its a tough call to have 3 weekends in a row for the bikes.
Viper,HBBB, Nats.
I guess if you were contemplating divorce or ending a relationship its the perfect time to do it.
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Stop the whine and get ready to ride :P today's entry count 51... bring it on.... make it happen. 8)
How many sidecar entries , VMX 247 ?
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Viper,HBBB, Nats.
I guess if you were contemplating divorce or ending a relationship its the perfect time to do it.
:D surrounded by mates doing what ya love...sound's great. ;D 8)
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Stop the whine and get ready to ride :P today's entry count 51... bring it on.... make it happen. 8)
How many sidecar entries , VMX 247 ?
geez that was a quick reply walter, here's the number to ring ..Francis Conroy 0413 622 079
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What annoys me the most , MA and the organising club listened to our pledges to have a Vintage friendly track and now they are not getting the support they deserve , after all that hard work . Lets hope those entries keep coming .
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What annoys me the most , MA and the organising club listened to our pledges to have a Vintage friendly track and now they are not getting the support they deserve , after all that hard work . Lets hope those entries keep coming .
Yes.
Why is it that so many people in the VMX world are so keen to whinge and bitch and moan the instant something doesn't go exactly their way?
What happened to the Aussie notion of 'copping it on the chin' and just doing what you enjoy? Why do we have to blame someone, every time we have a lull in our enthusiasm?
How many of us are such primadonas in real life?
Do we expect our families/friends/bosses/workmates/customers/etc to do things exactly how we want, in the way that we expect VMX race meets to run exactly how we want?
Nobody has to do anything - its up to you to get the best possible outcome for yourself and your sport, in the short term and the long term.
If the idea of a weekend away for VMX racing is so unappealling, then you have no place in this thread.
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What annoys me the most , MA and the organising club listened to our pledges to have a Vintage friendly track and now they are not getting the support they deserve , after all that hard work . Lets hope those entries keep coming .
Yes.
Why is it that so many people in the VMX world are so keen to whinge and bitch and moan the instant something doesn't go exactly their way?
What happened to the Aussie notion of 'copping it on the chin' and just doing what you enjoy? Why do we have to blame someone, every time we have a lull in our enthusiasm?
How many of us are such primadonas in real life?
Do we expect our families/friends/bosses/workmates/customers/etc to do things exactly how we want, in the way that we expect VMX race meets to run exactly how we want
Nobody has to do anything - its up to you to get the best possible outcome for yourself and your sport, in the short term and the long term.
If the idea of a weekend away for VMX racing is so unappealling, then you have no place in this thread.
Well said
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Yes Nathan,generalization of the VMX you are right, but there is a VMX meet going on somewhere every weekend in Australia that is well supported, what we have here is a special event that is charging more and has had changes made to the std competion rules that might not wash with everybody( the pre 75 class) which is the hardest class to cater for, but it is what the competition was based around from the start, maybe there should of been more process in the changes, we arnt 12 year-olds and all have strong feelings about our sport.
I hope they get the final numbers they need to run the event.
Trev
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I am not whinging, about the Nationals, l merely saying that my bike will not be ready to be raced. Wanted it to be, but that is how it goes, but woul;d like to make a statement about the nationals and club level racing.
I must say these large events, entries, gate submissions, prices go up, normal club meeting licence on the day are not $77 dollars, so l do feel its a bit of a revenue raising.
If the entry chargers keep going up each year, then the competitors will decline, and we the riders and clubs will fine a cheaper solution to our sport.
The vintage movement started as a good old fun day and to bring back the history as we all new it, and it has expanded, and we need to change with it, but l do feel it needs to level off for the good of our sport, prices of entry, licence. need to stay at a level for us to be able to afford.
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has had changes made to the std competion rules that might not wash with everybody
Please enlighten me ???
As for fee's etc. There is a difference between club / interclub fee's and opens.
Opens are expensive which is why most clubs run their vintage meetings as interclubs, to avoid a lot of those fee's that aren't practical for low membership VMX meets.
However you can't have an Australian championship interclub event. Contradiction in terms.
Was it wise to run the Nats. on the back of the Bonanza? Well that will always be up for debate.
It has been mentioned in the past on here to have the Nats next to CD which some thought might be a good idea.
A few of the WA guys stayed on after the Nats last year to ride another event in Qld, so I don't see this as any different.
Naturally it won't suit everyone, it wasn't expected that everyone would do both events.
A bit too close to the last event has left people without enough time to recover financially is a fair point, but I can’t help but feel from a lot of the comments that a lot of people will be jumping for joy if the Nats are cancelled.
I have read in the past how MA must hate us as they don’t do anything for our sport, now that they have taken an interest in the Nats this also seems to have pissed people off as well ::)
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Come on guys,
My entry and my step sons entry are in the post today coming from Tassie has the added cost of getting over the water, we are doing both HBBB and the Nats although we do have to rough it a bit at the track as the costs have blown out quite abit, with entrys for both events,boat trip,licences and beer costs for the 10 days we are up near $2500 but hell who cares we need riders to come to these events or they will become extinct. Surely riders from Victoria and NSW will turn up and ride, it is in your own back yard. Come on guys stuff the politics come and have a ride and enjoy yourself. I will be fighting for 30 position on the podem again but what a buzz, mixing it with the best for the first 200 mts of the race before being left behind and enjoying the company of some true gentlemen after the race.
You are a long time dead
Cheers
Fatboy
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Well taking away ( stealing ? ) the original CD concept and then run it in competition to the hard working CD people was never agreat idea.
You mean an event that is now going to stay in the one place, year in, year out? Why can't we have our bit of time in the sun, enjoying old bikes in a non-comp event? ???
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ill be sending my and my brothers entries in this week
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Ross , A) CD was, what made VMX is today and B) they used to rotate from different states ( Kyneton , Broadford , Raymond Terrace and Connondale . ) But that is some time ago , perhapsyou where not around then ;D
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Walt a: So CD was responsible for the worldwide phenomenum that is Vintage Motocross (VMX)? b: They don't anymore.....
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I feel strongly that the Bonanza and the National will be a success, and each state should have the opportunity to run these events, but all l am saying that entry fees and Licence fees should level off. Last year l had a great time at connondale, this year finding it a bit hard.
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YES the VMX magazine and subsequently CD can claim a big portion of that growth . That magazine is being read world wide , there is 4 world champions that I personally know of , that constantly read the mag and follow CD along with many other international followers . . So its a bit bigger than you think Ross . I actually met a taiwanese bloke reading VMX magazine at the Hongkong Airport the other day .
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Ya got me there Walt. I don't read it.....
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Don`t ever forget walter the first magazine that was introduced to the vintage world was Classic dirt bike Market for 9 issue produced by me. then came vmx 12 - 15 months later. It was not all Ray Ryan.
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Thats something I was not aware of . Perhaps we should start a new thread to deal with that . I am definitely interested to know more about that piece of history . Are you fine with that ?
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Let's get real here!!
It will always be hard to satisfy all comers particularly if they ride 2 or 3 bikes in different classes there will always be some that find it hard because this race clashes with that race etc... etc.... so that is that and nothing a club or organising body does will fix it.
On the other hand if we are finding it hard to get the time or cash to travel because some arseholes on the other side of the world got greedy and stuffed the economy-well then that's how it will be and maybe 2010 will go down as being the year that very small fields raced the Nats-so be it. END OF STORY.
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Im a straight up, bloke do it for fun, and no dough no go, simple realy, I'll come last next year!
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Let's get real here!!
It will always be hard to satisfy all comers particularly if they ride 2 or 3 bikes in different classes there will always be some that find it hard because this race clashes with that race etc... etc.... so that is that and nothing a club or organising body does will fix it.
On the other hand if we are finding it hard to get the time or cash to travel because some arseholes on the other side of the world got greedy and stuffed the economy-well then that's how it will be and maybe 2010 will go down as being the year that very small fields raced the Nats-so be it. END OF STORY.
EML , having no funds is understandable , but in your previos post you mentioned that you rather travel the same distance to attend the " ASAhareandhound " instead attending the official Australian Champion ships , thats harder to understand because it would undermine all the good that has been done .
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Don`t ever forget walter the first magazine that was introduced to the vintage world was Classic dirt bike Market for 9 issue produced by me. then came vmx 12 - 15 months later. It was not all Ray Ryan.
I remember Dave. Your a legend in my eyes.Doh!That sound Pussy as.
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motomanic, thanks mate, A legend I`am not, but sound good, Sometimes its nice to have some recognition for the efforts that was put into producing Classic Dirt bike Market
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This thread is getting ridiculous. Why cant people just have the free choice to attend what ever events they want to attend with out being hassled to explain/give reasons why they are attending one event instead of another wether it be the Nats, CD7, the Bonanza or the ASA titles. Just ride/attend the events that you want to do/go to and can afford the time off work/travel expenses etc and do what suits you and dont feel bad for attending one event instead of another.
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Dot I started a new thread on your mag , please elaborate , otherwise it will go under in here , together with mumblings of the non starters or now worse ,ASA sleepers
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I think this forum has been over-run by a bunch of dope smoking wanabe's, the answers are out there but the question still eludes me.
those who want to compete will go and compete
AT LEAST YOU C---S ARNT TALKING ABOUT FOLDING FOOTPEGS' and SPRINGS
go the nationals or stay home
cheers Trev, glad to be a hasbeen, worms
geez, and i havn't had a drink either
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bloody hell, i must of hit a nerve
cheers trev
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AT LEAST YOU C---S ARNT TALKING ABOUT FOLDING FOOTPEGS' and SPRINGS
go the nationals or stay home
Thats the funniest shit I've read on here in a long time ;D
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walter, the holy grail has become. cheers
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What a bunch of sooks. :-[ Waaah, it's too hot, too far, too dear, too early in the year, too close to HBBB :-\ World Economic Crisis :'(, jeez lads, HTFU !!
Phillip Island Classic this year had 360 entries, biggest ever roadrace in Australia, and 19,200 spectators over 3 days. Last year's historic Island Classic car race meeting had over 500 entries. The last two Southern Classic roadraces at Broadford have had 140 and 160 entries. The Barry Sheene Classic at Eastern Creek this Easter (yes, that's right, MA have run the HBBB in direct competition !) will have $20,000 in prize money.
Wake up ! Here in Australia, classic motorsport is on the rise bigtime, regardless of the alleged WEC. So stop inventing shabby, can't-be-arsed excuses, get off your clackers, and get stuck in, you'll never get a better opportunity, and as we've been reminded starkly several times in the last year, LIFE'S TOO SHORT !
Get your finger out, and go racing ! ;)
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Some of you guys seem to think that all of Australia's serious VMX racers read this.
I'd say that they only sometimes check in here.
Like Trevor and Nathan have said, the main entries will come in the week prior to the event, it always happens like that.
Even I have decided to ride (with a little bit of sore shoulder) as the track looks like something I might handle. But my entry is still to go in this week, or next week, till when entries close.
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Bravo GD66. Well said! Jerry
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ebay :D
Now thats got to be the funniest thing i have seen in a while. your a cracker..
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Bugger it, I'm gonna have a go. Mrs Maico will be sending the entry form & the cheque tomorrow. My son Shaun won 2 Titles in Tassie a couple of years ago, I'll be lucky to finish ;D ;D ;D But I'm a Victorian, so I'm going to support VMX, come on you blokes, get your finger out. Viper, Bike Bonanza & The Nats, dont go whinging about mot enough rides, have a go ;)
Mr Maico #54 Ken Baker
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Good on ya Ken thats the sprite lets get off our arses and send in our entrys
Cheers
Fatboy
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Soooo Fatman
havnt you entered yet...... :o
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Ive entred Dav sent it yesterday not long to go counting down days now. Just waiting for some new parts for the might mt to turn up alls well.
Cheers
fatboy
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211, WHAT BIKE ARE YOU PLANING TO RIDING.
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Wow! I haven't been on here for a while, and this thread has gone all over the place.
Bottom line is that regardless of where it is - the NATs are a super important event in the VMX annual scene.
We could debate ('till the cow come home) the pros and cons of having the Nats at the same track and a week later than a social event, but frankly I think the RACERS will race regardless. The only possible problem is that the number of Racers seems to be in decline, in spite of the fact that EVO and pre-85 are now in the picture.
I think that the 20 pages of this thread are an interesting snapshot of the various views of people towards the National titles and to be honest, I sometime wonder if people take their racing FAR too seriously. :o
I have had the luxury of travelling to the USA a few times to witness their national Vintage MX series and the US rider's attitude to their AHRMA races is very different to that taken by Aussie riders with respect to the racing scene. In a nutshell the US rider views his race meeting MORE as a social event than a "must win at all costs" race. This may be because they don't have ANY events similar to CD7 or the HBBB, so they make most from what they have, but I think it's more because they just aren't as serious about racing as we tend to get here in OZ.
The bigger issue we (all) face here in OZ is that most of us are getting older and for many we just don't feel like racing. I know that I had reached that stage myself 10 years before my injury made riding a memory.
The only option therefore is to possibly promote racing more as FUN as opposed to competition (as it is in the USA). A well known editor of a certain magazine has been "racing" for many years on this basis. He is not ever a contender for even a placing, but still loves to race as an excuse to ride his bikes. I know that for some it is hard to just "ride for fun" (and I would have been as guilty as anyone in this respect) but if our National title meeting is to regain some of it's former glory in terms of participants, this is exactly what needs to happen.
So, hopefully everyone will forget the fact that the Nats are not really being held to win sheep stations and just turn up to BE THERE and be a part of one form of cellebrating the glory of Vintage and Classic MX racing. ;)
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Here, here, Well said Ajay
I have decided to finish my Dot Scrambler, and l have re-entered, So l am going race at the national to support the event and make up the numbers. if we don`t, then we are fools.
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Good point, Ajay : although I feel that much of the chest-beating and bluster to be found on this forum doesn't translate into shelves of dust-collecting hardware in the trophy room...and I can tell you for sure that the Aussie attitude to vmx has the kiwis scratching their heads, they can't believe the obsession with rules, eligibility, current fads at each year's tech inspection, or even MA participation. Livewire VMX has the advantage over there, as I've pointed out a number of times, of operating outside the MNZ sphere of control. Luckily for them, they still have a very good ACC (accident compensation)system, so riders in NZ vmx don't have to belong to a national body, or even a club. They just turn up, fork out $30 (which includes their insurance cover) and go racing, wherever and whenever they damn well please.
Don't wish to labour a point, but always worth keeping it under your cap, on the backburner...would the vmx nats be a bigger, or more fun event, if it were ...BLACK....? :o
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Thats fair enough comment however I go to Vinduro's CD and HBBB events to have fun and I go to the Nationals to race its our premier event. If riders want to play race they do club events at the end of the day it doesn't matter what type of riding you do if you are not smiling when you get off your bike its time to find something else to do remember there is not to many sports that you can still be doing 40 or 50 years after you start and still get the same rush. When that gate drops I for one will be racing. ( Just hope I make it past the first corner.) Good luck to all the competitors at the Nats
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Here, here, Well said Ajay
I have decided to finish my Dot Scrambler, and l have re-entered, So l am going race at the national to support the event and make up the numbers. if we don`t, then we are fools.
Great spirit! :)
I just wish I could actually ride a bike now - I'd be there with bells on. :(
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Bugger it, I'm gonna have a go. Mrs Maico will be sending the entry form & the cheque tomorrow. My son Shaun won 2 Titles in Tassie a couple of years ago, I'll be lucky to finish ;D ;D ;D But I'm a Victorian, so I'm going to support VMX, come on you blokes, get your finger out. Viper, Bike Bonanza & The Nats, dont go whinging about mot enough rides, have a go ;)
Mr Maico #54 Ken Baker
Good On Ya Ken. and i bet you do finish !
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Well its decided I,m in hopefully the parts to finnish the cr250rz arrive in time. The cr125 is ready to go.
Viper,HBBB,Nats 3 weekends in a row hope the body and bikes hold up!!!!
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I have heard on the grape vine that Western Australia riders are not supporting the Nationals this year and that is a shame, and also the story go`s, if the riders entries are not higher than what they are, as the preston club are concerned, the Australia National Vintage titles will be cancelled or not supported next time round.. So you all know what should be done. (ENTER)
THE MOVIE (TO FAR AWAY.)
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Get a proof reader... ;D
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Makes just as much sense backwards. Very goodly .
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News break
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I have heard on the grape vine that Western Australia riders are not supporting the Nationals this year and that is a shame, and also the story go`s, if the riders entries are not higher than what they are, as the preston club are concerned, the Australia National Vintage titles will be cancelled or not supported next time round.. So you all know what should be done. (ENTER)
THE MOVIE (TO FAR AWAY.)
Dot, please don't name states that may or may not be attending, its another issues that is not good for the vintage racing scene of Australia.
Prune your grape vines and then spray for unwanted pests.
As posted in reply 255 ring Francis and find out for yourself..yours in preserving VMX Alison
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Lets see how many entries we get till closing time next friday , and then we can see what "Vintage scene of Australia " has spoken ;). IF I can judge by the orders and activities, there many non cyber racers entering next week . So in the end its the "doers "
that make the real scene and not the "gannas " and "professors" haking away on keyboards :D
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lts only the story l heard, it may be true or false.
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Geez - you have to love the "half glass empty people" don't you. There are lots of reasons why numbers from WA will be down this year (but some still going by the way) - maybe check up on those reasons before even bothering to speak about something which you don't know is "true or not".
As everybody has apparently come to realise - the Nats suit some people, CD concept suits others!
get over it - as has been said - those that go will go - end of story!
Rossco
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why have a go at me personally, its what l heard, if you done go to the Nationals , Mate, l don`t give a sh---t
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Calm dow, prat. And don't post drunk, then re-write your posts when you sober up the next day. Egg. ::)
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??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Is that egg poached or fried.
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keep it brief and tidy boys ;D the formula one is on very shortly :D I cant miss this one :D
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Could be of interest, Walter. We'll see if your hero can cut it. Hasn't qualified greatly, and the team-mate's ahead of him on the grid. But hats off to him for giving it a shot. He sure looked fidgety throughout his retirement, and the superbike racing didn't really work for him at all..... we shall see... ;)
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I guess if he makes it home it will be third or better . But hey its racing with all the risks and politics that go along with it . ( just 4-5 more Zeros on the end ) :D
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I'm in just got to get a bike going now .See ya all there. Hilly
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I'm in just got to get a bike going now .See ya all there. Hilly
Good for you Mr Hilly,have you got one of your 16year old's entering-? -some of these younger one's take a few trophies home now-days . :P ;D
cheers
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Anyone know how the entrys are going ? Seeing they close soon
I hope that everyone has got off the bums and sent them in.
Cheers
Fatboy
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Hey VMX247 nah all the kids are too busy with there hectic social commitments to do anything that requires commitment . Hoping to get Emma riding the Viper 1st round on our YZ100K .
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My entry sent today... I realised that I'd deliberately left it until the absolute last minute because I wasn't sure what bikes would be ready.
Pre-78 125.
Pre-70 250.
Pre-75 250.
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Latest Gossip at hand.
THE NATS WILL DEFINATELY GO AHEAD.
Apparently they have deposited 400 tonnes of potting mix onto the track, which should turn the once hard pack track into loam heaven.
It's also rumoured that they may accept late entries,
Harass Francis Conroy from Preston club, his number can be found on the entry form.
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Word is the Riders list will be put up on the preston website next week. NOT sure if its just a list or a dummy class - rider #number list.
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Geeze, lucky we didn't enter-don't want to end up on no ''dummy list''.
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I might reply and then delete it, then again, I may not, not like I would waist anyones tyme, wrabbmle on with minbless dwibble, but then again I'm not on the "dummy list"
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Its so simple hitthetrees , the doers have entered and the gannas can go and have another bong or what ever they are on. Each to their own ;).
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211...if you are out there....will we need to have handlebar pads for Broady.....all the running around at Conondale..then you do.. then you don't .....are MA going to insist on bar pads...??
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comes down to the appointed scrutineers, yes i was directly instructed at conondale by the MA appointed level 4 scrutineer you had to have bar pads prior to scrutineering then overruled by eligability scurtineer who was correct during scrutineering, but only after i was made to look like a dickhead, so roll the dice and take your chance because it comes down to who is running the show.
cheers Trev
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So do we know how many entries yet?
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Latest Gossip at hand.
THE NATS WILL DEFINATELY GO AHEAD.
Apparently they have deposited 400 tonnes of potting mix onto the track, which should turn the once hard pack track into loam heaven.
It's also rumoured that they may accept late entries,
Harass Francis Conroy from Preston club, his number can be found on the entry form.
From what I have heard they have over 100 entries for the Nats and over 300 for the Bonanza
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GMC , thats OK if you have entered a class thats on for sure . Of course if my event is not going ahead , I can always use my $300 licence that was purchased just for this event as photo ID when going to the liquer shop . :D
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comes down to the appointed scrutineers, yes i was directly instructed at conondale by the MA appointed level 4 scrutineer you had to have bar pads prior to scrutineering then overruled by eligability scurtineer who was correct during scrutineering, but only after i was made to look like a dickhead, so roll the dice and take your chance because it comes down to who is running the show.
cheers Trev
Handle pad pads are required in modern MX.
Classic MX does not require handlebar pads.
The confusion comes when people think that Classic MX is a part of (modern) MX - its not (although it is an easy mistake to make, and a common one).
Classic MX is its own sport, and the rules for CMX are seperate from the rules for modern MX.
If anyone insists on bar pads, then ask them to show you were the current MoMS requires them for CMX. They won't be able to do it, and you will be able to race without one.
PS: I have 'em on all of my bikes - even the paddock bikes. I was about 13 when I saw a bloke take a dive off a DT175 - he caught the underside of his chin on the unpadded handlebar cross-brace on the way down. Peeled back a flap of skin about 5cm wide by 12cm long, and piddled out a lot of blood.
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Good post Nathan. I've argued this point a bit in recent weeks. I personally don't like them, based purely on visual grounds. OK on Evo and Pre 85 but out of place on pre '75 and earlier. Having said that I have no problem with acknowledging the safety benefits they offer.
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I understand how you may draw that conclusion...tho the catch all...."ALL DISCIPLINES"...must surely cover CMX as well....the specific section covering CMX does not cover all aspects....only those that allow us lucky CMX riders access to special items (special fuels)...etc.....I too can see the safety aspect of the pads....but just would like to know either way...given the backflip at Conondale...
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aDD RETURN SPRINGS TO THAT ONE !!!!!!
WHERE DOES IT SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM IN cmx, UNLESS SOMEONE HAS WRITTEN IT IN SINCE ?
SO NO BAR PADS OK - THEN NO rETURN SPRINGS EITHER IF YOU LIKE
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I know you cant use a cheapo helmet .
but the bar pad thing is like the old saying , $10.00 helmet on a $10.00 head.
So i guess that tranfers to the bar pad. No bar pad , $10.00 head.
for yours and others saftey use a condom , ahhhh i mean a bar pad..
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A big thank you brothers!
120 entries and growing daily! My faith has been rewarded. Francis Conroy (0413 622 079) is processing them now as the Preston club has been flat out recently with the Vic RR Titles.
You guys won't be dissapointed with the track, it will be prime by the time HBBB rolls around and of course maintained perfectly inbetween the events. We have the heavy machinery on standby if we get a deluge like 3 weeks ago and John Coleman is working all daylight hours to get it prepped. He is currently discing in the 400 tons of 'potting mix' and it makes my throttle hand twitch just looking at the layout.
Of course we are still taking entries so send them off.
Any final words on the race order?
Any one else want to sponsor a race for $250? Let me know on pd@ma.org.au but I will be out of the office from Monday 29 and at the track. Ring if you need to.
See you there.
D.
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Any final words on the race order?
For sure Peter. If you could just do a mix up as per earlier posts for the least chance of back to back races by throwing a later class between an earlier class.
Thanks for letting us put in some feedback.
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Hi Drakie,
Im with Brad race order as per his suggestions in an earlier post. Lets try to limit the amount of back to back races we have. As we well know im just not built for them ;D
Cheers
Fatboy
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The entry list (so far) is up on the Preston website, and it looks WELL subscribed
http://prestonmcc.com.au/index.php?topic=751.0
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I have'nt checked the Entry list but I'm in and i think there's still a few slower blokes who havent put there hard Earned up yet !!!!. Might not be back in Vic for a few Years . I only Entered for the Nats coz i used to ride them as a young bloke and i didnt want to miss this Op . C'mon Viper BBBBBoys ?...
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Hey guys, the entry list is up, check it out at:
http://prestonmcc.com.au/index.php?topic=751.0
Just a few more entries and we will have all 26 classes running.
Entries still accepted, ring Francis Conroy on 0413 622 079.
The Interstate Challenge is getting interesting; bibs have been printed and manouvering has started.
(..and if I go on about how good the track looks someone will shoot me.....)
Cheers,
D.
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LATE NEWS!!!
Francis said he hasn't processed any payments and will only do so in bulk soon.
Also, as it's getting late he won't post out your acceptances but will have them for collection at the gate before the event.
Please spread the word to anyone not using this site.
See the message above for the link to the Preston MCC site for current entries.
Sorry,
D.
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Good stuff,23 in pre 70 263&over,nice field of 60+ age race,10 in the pre 65 :P Hoping the numbers can get bumped up in pre 60--- 8)
Bring it on ........ WWWHHHHHOOOOOPPPPPPEEEEEEE
23 ?? were you getting that from i can only count
1 John Boag CZ 360 Pre 1970 solo 263 & over VIC
10 Mick Harraway CZ 360 Pre 1970 solo 263 & over VIC
10 Dean Harraway CZ 360 Pre 1970 solo 263 & over VIC
32 John Mapperson Husquarna 400 Pre 1970 solo 263 & over VIC
52 Kerry Marsh Yamaha RTI360 Pre 1970 solo 263 & over SA
68 Robin Hall CZ 250 Pre 1970 solo 263 & over VIC
90 Brad Van Barrelo CZ 360 Pre 1970 solo 263 & over QLD
112 Mtchell Semmens Yamaha RT1 360M Pre 1970 solo 263 & over QLD
123 Tony Cavell Greeves 380 Pre 1970 solo 263 & over QLD
And i give that a 3 way shoot out between CAvell, THE Von BAron and Boags, the rest a distant 4th :D
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Whats a JSF 500? PRE 85 #123
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bit easier to read in Excel
http://prestonmcc.com.au/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=751.0;attach=1108
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Oops Freaksta wrong class... ::) Holshot and it'll all be good 8) young and older in this class.
pre 75 1 John Boag CZ 380 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over VIC
10 Mick Harraway CZ 360 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over VIC
10 Dean Harraway CZ 360 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over VIC
11 Adam Herbert Yamaha 360 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over VIC
13 Bernie Leen RN 400 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over VIC
16 Bill Watson Husquarna 450 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over WA
21 Paul Dunne Maico 400 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over VIC
21 Peter McCormack Maico MC400 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over TAS
27 Chris Hall CZ 400 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over SA
27 Bruce Wilkins CZ 400 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over VIC
32 Andrew Bailey Maico 400 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over QLD
32 John Mapperson Husquarna 400 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over VIC
38 Henry Leatham CZ 380 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over VIC
47 Kevin Brown Husquarna 400 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over NSW
52 Kerry Marsh Yamaha MX360 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over SA
61 Rob Shoemark Husquarna CR400 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over NSW
68 Robin Hall CZ 400 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over VIC
71 Peter Watson CZ Pre 1975 solo 263 & over NSW
72 Brian Watson Husquarna 400 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over WA
73 Luke Guy Honda XL350 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over TAS
78 Shane Frazer Honda XL350 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over TAS
79 Jason Herbert Yamaha 360 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over VIC
90 Brad Van Barrelo CZ 400 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over QLD
91 Tony Clarke Bultaco 360 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over VIC
112 Mtchell Semmens Yamaha MX360A Pre 1975 solo 263 & over QLD
123 Tony Cavell BSA B50 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over QLD
153 Jody Smith Maico 400 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over VIC
192 Wayne Skyring Honda XL350 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over QLD
311 Dave Hammond Maico 400 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over VIC
325 Michael McMillan Bultaco Mk4 Pursang Pre 1975 solo 263 & over NSW
360 Tim Hall Yamaha RTI360 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over TAS
500 Geoff Irvine Yamaha SC500 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over SA
857 David Harrison Bultaco Mk7 360 Pre 1975 solo 263 & over NSW
bit easier to read in Excel
http://prestonmcc.com.au/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=751.0;attach=1108
excellent thanks Hoony easy to read..go the mighty XL350's :P
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If our acceptances will be at the gate before the event, how do we find out if our bike numbers are right ??? I've noticed a few riders all have the same numbers.
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Whats a JSF 500? PRE 85 #123
Isnt that in the wrong class ?
I thought it was that pre 75 hand made 500 with all sorts, Cavell rode it in TAssie, the Guy that owns dad hand made it using all sort even cast magnisium etc, he was an enthusiast engineer, any how his son who must be 50 + now, lent it out to Showcase his dads memory/legacy and puts the best pre 70 bum in Au, "mr T". Its a brute of a maroon bike but when you look at the work that went into making it, you do truly apprieciate what he was trying to do in his time.
YOu would have to speak to someone in the Vic scambles to get a heads up on it the guy who owns it, he's the guy in the blue sitting bottom right in the photo (http://www.classicscramble.org.au/Pictures/2008%20Australian%20Titles/medium/0005.jpg)
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Freakie..unless I am heading the wrong way with this ..the bike is a JBS 500......BSA parentage....with some excellent home made stuff...not sure it would make a good pre 85 bike...certainly is the standard in TC's hands for pre 65....
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YEp thats what im saying, i think its a misprint it should be JBS ( his dad initials or similar) and entered in the wrong class.
and then i go and do it and say pre 75, anyway its ealry 4 smoker :D
Dopey Tonys writing i guess.
IF your on here tony you might want to get onto that, or youll need more than methonal in the beast ;D
Ps whos that good looking bloke in the strippy jumper on .... :-*
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If our acceptances will be at the gate before the event, how do we find out if our bike numbers are right ??? I've noticed a few riders all have the same numbers.
NUp - You'll have to have a rock off at fridays practice .... and paper sissor rock for it. ;D
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Thirteen pre-70 250s and only nine pre-70 big bores? How's that for a reversal?
And only seven riders in Evo 125? Wisihng I'd gotten my 125G finished now...
And a couple of other loonies on 175/200 enduro bikes in among the pre-85 250s... Might slip in a late entry with the KDX200...
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So how many constitute a title?
How many classes are actual title events?
Pretty crap to drive all that way to get the same result as a club day.
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Brad, Sub Regs say 10 for title, my late entry :-[ hopefully brings pre 78 125 in, need some more pre 78 250`s.
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Didn't the pre-70 classes get dropped to 6 or 7 riders to be a title?
Worms mentioned it, but I'm drunk now...
Dunno exactly how they'll do it, but usually classes are amalgamated to ensure that everyone rides for a title - although often at a bike disadvantage (Eg: Boagy on the pre-65 twin pipe 250s among the pre-70 250s last year [he still beat me... :lol: ])
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Okay. I just went through it all.
Non championship classes atm are,
evo 125 ( 8 )
pre 60 (3!)
pre 65 (8 ) I think 8 is enough for this actually.
pre 65 open (4)
pre 70 open (9) One more please!
pre 75 sidecar (3!)
pre 75 4 stroke (6)
pre 75 all powers under 30 (9)
'' '' '' '' 60+ (8 )
pre 78 125 (9) ten now as Mark said.
pre 85 sidecar (5)
pre 85 125 (8 )
Taking out pre 78 125, that is 10 classes out of 21!
Piss poor I reckon.
With out knowing peoples own circumstances, I still reckon the locals should give themselves an uppercut. Especially the early model classes with so many bikes down there.
Also the list looks far better than it is as your name is there for every event you are in.
I think it is now 6 or 8 for pre 60 and 65. I am not sure if it stretches to pre 70.
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looks like the sidecar guys are waisting peoples time, and it is a shame if the locals arnt riding if only 50% will be championship class's. all class's are to have min 10 competitors to consitute a championship, except there was a change for the pre 60 group to 6, maybe if they stay with the pre 75 divisions they would of had more competitors willing to travel, how many locals have entered? Victorians? obviously not many and it's in their home state,
I hope they get some entries!
cheers trev
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I remember a time when Victoria was the hub of vintage MX, not that long ago but the strongest VMX community was for many years Victoria. I guess the shift has been to WA and QLD but no sense in Victorians complaining about numbers.
Min for sidecars is 6 pre 65 and 60 is also 6 on a trial basis to try and create interest in the class all else is 10.
The JBS is a well known and tested pre 65 bike Freaky. Its the guy on the seat that makes it go, you could put those Cavill guys on a TAS 80 and they would probably win.
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211 Kawasaki, Will you be riding at the Nats or scrutineering.
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I understand how you may draw that conclusion...tho the catch all...."ALL DISCIPLINES"...must surely cover CMX as well....the specific section covering CMX does not cover all aspects....only those that allow us lucky CMX riders access to special items (special fuels)...etc.....I too can see the safety aspect of the pads....but just would like to know either way...given the backflip at Conondale...
Only just saw this...
The rule demanding a cross-brace pad is in the Motocross and Supercross section, not in the All Disciplines bit.
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I remember a time when Victoria was the hub of vintage MX, not that long ago but the strongest VMX community was for many years Victoria. I guess the shift has been to WA and QLD but no sense in Victorians complaining about numbers.
Min for sidecars is 6 pre 65 and 60 is also 6 on a trial basis to try and create interest in the class all else is 10.
The JBS is a well known and tested pre 65 bike Freaky. Its the guy on the seat that makes it go, you could put those Cavill guys on a TAS 80 and they would probably win.
I thought thats what i said Dave ?
Its " mr T"
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The JBS is a well known and tested pre 65 bike Freaky. Its the guy on the seat that makes it go, you could put those Cavill guys on a TAS 80 and they would probably win.
The JBS is owned by Frank Veradi from WA. It's had more controversy thrown at it than just about any bike in our sport, even Verns Cheney.
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if you have back to back races with differant numbers to you get time to change jerssey and how long
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vmx247 what do you have to do with the running of the nats
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My 2009 Manual of Motorcycle Sport Page 157 18.4.1.2 d) Pre-1970 says the letter H. Has it been changed for 2010. Spewing if it has cos I've just hand made some H's and stuck 'em on! Jerry
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It's all right I just re-read VMX's post. No drama after all! Jerry
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if you have back to back races with differant numbers to you get time to change jerssey and how long
If you make yourself and your situation known to the Clerk of the Course before competition begins, he will make the necessary time available to you.
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Can someone tell me when the nationals were held at connondale?, from what I can remember they were just held back in aug or Sept??, so this means that the current title holders only held their titles for 7-8 months... ??? ???
Seems like a typical move MA holding their "Beautiful Bonza Dirt Bike Bonanza" (Not Bullshit) and the nationals within a week at Broadford.
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There's not a fixed date for the Nats.
In theory, the 2011 Nats could be held on the 31st of December, and the 2012 Nats on the 1st of January and it would bo OK.
The other way to look at it, is that the 2008 Nats in Tassie were in early June, so the 2008 title holders had their titles for more than 12 months.
Whatever else you think of MA, I think its grasping at straws to claim that they're trying to undermine the 2009 title holders.
Similarly, I don't think that they're trying to "undermine" Classic Dirt - although they're clearly 'sharing' the basic concept, there's zero evidence that MA/BBB is trying to bury CD. I mean, if that was the motivation, then there's a ton of far more agressive things that MA could have done (closer date, make it cheaper/easier than CD, more dirt-only focus, etc).
I'd argue that having BBB and the Nationals within a week of each other (in April) actually offers CD7 some security. It is entirely possible that either BBB or the Nationals could have been held on/nearer to the June long weekend, which would have had far more of an impact on CD.
Don't get me wrong: I have questions about some of the things MA has done (and particularly the process they used to arrive at those decisions), but luke-warm conspiracy theories only serve to distract from the real concerns.
(Sorry for the rant, I've just been watching the conspiracy theories gain momentum and I am afraid that we'll all have to start wearing tin-foil hats before CD7).
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You playing good cop, bad cop thier Nathan? ;D
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"bullshit bonanza"
It's ours and we're quite happy with it thanks. :D
Saves us a 2000 KM trip ever year for CD.......
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Sorry, I just can't help but Hate MA, they are god awfull at promoting anything themselves however are very good at moving in on events/diciplines that have performed and grown much better than what they have been able to do.
Another thing I have witnessed first hand of late, is the treatment of contempt they show riders that become permenantly injured or disabled whilst riding, from what I have seen I would never pull out onto a track without independent personal injury insurance.
I do like Nathan however, when are you coming up for a drink??
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You Mexican's still have that 300km radius travel phobia dont ya?. I mean you cant even support the nat's at the same track a week later. Anyway, it's your loss.....CD at Conodale IS the BEST vintage dirtbike weekend in the WORLD!!!!.... just ask anyone who's been, people come from ALL over the world..... except Victoria..... must be that inferiority complex you's have!!. I apologise too the FEW good Mexican's out there, Geoff, I'm still good for that airbox I hope? ;D, anyway hope everyone has a good, safe Easter. Cheers bigears!
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You Mexican's still have that 300km radius travel phobia dont ya?.
It's because we've got it all here...... ;)
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"bullshit bonanza"
It's ours and we're quite happy with it thanks. :D
Saves us a 2000 KM trip ever year for CD.......
yep its good to have a event that wont be stolen and moved to another state and by the way stick the mag up your arse as well
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Now your just sooking, I mean what's Victoria got in winter when CD is on.....sunshine?....bussszt..no, walk around in a T-shirt and shorts..... busszt..no, go to the beach AND be able to go swimming......busszt..no, ride dirtbikes without thermal underwear.......busszt..no, I bet you have your cardy on already and have just re-stoked the fire? :D. Do ya-self a favor and get out, see whatelse is out there, you never no , you might enjoy it?......you'll never never know if you never never go!!!. Dont blasferme the "mag", it's the best VMX mag in the WORLD , and it's Australian, you should be proud of it!!. The fact that they hold a once a year " gathering of the herd" to relive our dreams and memories is even better, in fact there are plenty of envious people out there seeing what we have, just happens to be in the "sunshine" state! ;D, how lucky are we?. Now, is my next subscription " on the house AJ?" ;D
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and by the way stick the mag up your arse as well
??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Geoff, I'm still good for that airbox I hope? ;D, anyway hope everyone has a good, safe Easter. Cheers bigears!
All is good, I'm not Victorian, I hail from the Morris River Province, a small independant island off the coast of the Tallarook ranges.
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Thats a relief ;)
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So where is this mythical Sunshine state?
I spent 2 weeks near the Gold Coast at Xmas and it rained nearly every day.
The weather was still quite warm which felt comfortable to us but all the soft Qldanders were the ones putting on their Cardy's and complaining about the cold.
Anyway, you haven't lived till you've ridden an Enduro while it's snowing.
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When are you moving up to QLD Geoff?, then nobody would have to go to Victoria, or even ring em up!! :D. You know YOU where the one who bought the bloody rain up!!, its still hanging around, just garanteeing perfect weather for CD7 I guess. Look forward to seeing you there. I hope the Mexican's dont blacklist you now?
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Just thought of a good T-shirt or hat slogan for CD, " VMX Mag.... If you dont love it, then leave". ;D
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Davey, your on fire . Add me to your will before you head off to Nats please ;D
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Now your just sooking, I mean what's Victoria got in winter when CD is on.....sunshine?....bussszt..no, walk around in a T-shirt and shorts..... busszt..no, go to the beach AND be able to go swimming......busszt..no, ride dirtbikes without thermal underwear.......busszt..no, I bet you have your cardy on already and have just re-stoked the fire? :D. Do ya-self a favor and get out, see whatelse is out there, you never no , you might enjoy it?......you'll never never know if you never never go!!!. Dont blasferme the "mag", it's the best VMX mag in the WORLD , and it's Australian, you should be proud of it!!. The fact that they hold a once a year " gathering of the herd" to relive our dreams and memories is even better, in fact there are plenty of envious people out there seeing what we have, just happens to be in the "sunshine" state! ;D, how lucky are we?. Now, is my next subscription " on the house AJ?" ;D
and wear a dead animal on your head
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:( I'm not really involved and wasn't even contemplating saying diddly squat on this topic but for phucksache! this petty childish crap is going to be the undoing of many years of dedicated hard work by many good people past and present so pull your flamin' heads in and simply agree to disagree..it's that easy!
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When are you moving up to QLD Geoff?, then nobody would have to go to Victoria, or even ring em up!! :D. You know YOU where the one who bought the bloody rain up!!, its still hanging around, just garanteeing perfect weather for CD7 I guess. Look forward to seeing you there. I hope the Mexican's dont blacklist you now?
As a proud Victorian I am wondering what the hell is your problem with us Victorians?
Stan
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I think he's just winding you lot up ;). Pretty successfully, by the looks of it...
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I think he's just winding you lot up ;). Pretty successfully, by the looks of it...
If thats the case congraul - forking - lations but I cant see the point in calling the HBBB "bullshit" or stating that Victorians dont travel when we were very well represented at the Nats in the last 3 years that I know of.
Its debatable whats the better option - to travel to something like CD and then take time off and do it again a couple of months later for the Nats or take something like HBBB and the Nats in one hit.
Whatever - stir em up boys if thats what gets you off.Just make sure that you have the tissue box handy.
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Calling Mr T.... (tanner) guru of scruit & knower of the dark arts (protesting).. I went out & Decal Works myself up a set of back grounds & jee they look good but I bunged my letter on the RHS of the number instead of the left. Accidentally thumbing my nose @ sub-section 18.4.1.1b) of the hallowed GCR's, which my bro waved under my nose when I proudly showed the ones I'd brewed up 4 him...
Now Mr T i dunno if you'll be official dutying at the titles but my 1st question is "Will it be passed by the scruits?"..... then, if my DIABOLICAL plan of class domination comes together & I prevale... Can it be protested??? Would something like this be upheld or held in contempt.. or both??? I beseech thee
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and TMBill was looking on another thread for a bum fight.
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If somebody is that small-minded and protested you for that, I'd be ripping open the MoMS to All Disciplines 12.6.4.1 (pg 94) and making sure their own numbers were Arial Rounded MT Bold font. But surely there's no need for that sort of carry-on at vmx.... ::)
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Howdy boys, it's Easter, so how about you put the Snappy Tom back in the fridge, trim the claws & have a coldie ;D ;D
This came via our Clubs website, hope you can help. I'm glad to see we arent the only club who struggle to get people to do Cnr Duty ::)
Australian Classic MX Titles - Broadford
We are urgently looking for a few flaggies to help out with this event.
Fri, Sat and Sun. 9th, 10, 11th April.
So if you are looking for an exciting day or two of racing, your assistance will be greatly appreciated
and they will really look after you.
For more info please call Sue on 0408488353 0393723388
Mrs Maico #54
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WOoooooHooo, man you Victorians sure bite hard, :-* :-* :-*,
Time to lighten up and have a VB, I didn't really mean it... ;D
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Calling Mr T.... (tanner) guru of scruit & knower of the dark arts (protesting).. I went out & Decal Works myself up a set of back grounds & jee they look good but I bunged my letter on the RHS of the number instead of the left. Accidentally thumbing my nose @ sub-section 18.4.1.1b) of the hallowed GCR's, which my bro waved under my nose when I proudly showed the ones I'd brewed up 4 him...
Now Mr T i dunno if you'll be official dutying at the titles but my 1st question is "Will it be passed by the scruits?"..... then, if my DIABOLICAL plan of class domination comes together & I prevale... Can it be protested??? Would something like this be upheld or held in contempt.. or both??? I beseech thee
While I can't say they there couldn't possibly be a drama, I reckon you'd be damn unlucky for it to even raise an eyebrow. Plenty of bikes have competed in previous years with the letter above/below/to the RHS of the main number, so it would surprise me if it became a drama this year...
And I'm not familiar with the finer points of MA's protest procedure, but I think that it would be very hard for a competitor to protest you over an administration issue? I mean, if its a 125 that's actually 150cc, or 12" of travel in pre-78, then those sorts of things clearly give a performance improvement and are asking to be protested. But when its a rule that relates entirely to the event admin, I can't think how an competitor could protest you - esp as the protest would only come after the scrutes etc have passed it.
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up dates on prestonmcc website
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so when do we find out if our class is championship or not ,on the day.what about rase numbers,on the day.
this is the nats not a club meeting come on victoria .
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Thanks NatS but bro...... if people can get a protest upheld to SNEAK up the podium..... some of them will for sure & I've only been on the Nationals circuit 4 years..... I've never been protested personally but my mate the 'CHEATER' says it $ux a$$....
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Thanks NatS but bro...... if people can get a protest upheld to SNEAK up the podium..... some of them will for sure & I've only been on the Nationals circuit 4 years..... I've never been protested personally but my mate the 'CHEATER' says it $ux a$$....
Protests are for eligibility, not if your spokes are loose or if your you don't have a bar end plugs OR the letter is in the wrong place. Eligibility is for example, you have a '78 model front end on a pre '78 bike, or a '78 swing arm on a pre '78 bike or even a thinly veiled '78 model bike made to look like a '77 as was the case at Conondale.
Also be aware to all that eligibility issues are going to be looked at and picked on at scrutineering instead of only if someone protests.
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:D mmm, 'some' '78 swingarms are perfectly legal regardless of how many people try to crucify you for even contemplating the notion ::) All I can say, if you have the proof of legality onhand to back your choice of parts then there is no contest ;)
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Also be aware to all that eligibility issues are going to be looked at and picked on at scrutineering instead of only if someone protests.
This of course will be done by the eligibility scrutineer.
:D mmm, 'some' '78 swingarms are perfectly legal regardless of how many people try to crucify you for even contemplating the notion ::) All I can say, if you have the proof of legality onhand to back your choice of parts then there is no contest ;)
Dodgey just got a copy of the rm A and B parts book that has the optional alloy (c) swingarm in it. I don't know if the fact that the book is a repo makes any difference opposed to an original. Too bad you can't see the brake arm mounting points.
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All I can say, if you have the proof of legality onhand to back your choice of parts then there is no contest ;)
and if you don't have proof ? Anyone got a picture of a KennyRoberts alloy swingarm for a YZ400?
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If you aint got proof dont test the system at the Nats ;)
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If you aint got proof dont test the system at the Nats ;)
yer I figure it not worth it
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Persistant rumour on the weekend was that the Nationals would run the track anti-clockwise (rather than clockwise as at HBBB).
Anyone know anything about this?
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The Track was run in reverse direction for HBBB and is being advertised as running that way for the Nats . And was a big improvement on last years HBBB with the jumps smoothed out and no uphill doubles .
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Just keep to the left side of the step up, that steel fence is dangerous, Saturday couple of fellows went to close.
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Beware the melbourne weather is on the way ,no need to water
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What is the weeks forecast gdr??
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rain for the next 7 days
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class letters on supp regs to not read the same as in rule book is this a mistake in the sup regs?
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class letters on supp regs to not read the same as in rule book is this a mistake in the sup regs?
No, the two agree - just dodgy formatting in the Supp Regs.
Pre 1960 - A Pre 1965 - N Pre 1968 - F Pre 1970 - H Pre 1975 - X Pre 1978 - Z Evolution - E Pre 1985 - Y
Just a minor tweak to the formatting:
Pre 1960 - A
Pre 1965 - N
Pre 1968 - F
Pre 1970 - H
Pre 1975 - X
Pre 1978 - Z
Evolution - E
Pre 1985 - Y
Although, I thought that the pre-68 class was dead? Its not mentioned in the 2010 MoMs.
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FRIDAY 9TH APRIL
GATES OPEN 7.00 AM
SCRNTINEERING 8.00-10.00 AM
RIDERS BRIEFING 10.15 AM
PRACTICE
PRE 1960 - PRE 1975 10.30 -12.30 AM
PRE 1978 ? PRE 1985 1.30 ? 3.30 AM
SIDECAR 3.30 ? 4.15 PM
SATURDAY 10TH APRIL
RIDERS BRIEFING 8.15 AM
PRACTICE 8.30 AM (3 LAPS)
PRE 1960 ? PRE 1975 ODD NUMBERS
PRE 1960 ? PRE 1975 EVEN NUMBERS
PRE 1978 ? PRE 1985 ODD NUMBERS
PRE 1978 ? PRE 1985 EVEN NUMBERS
SIDECARS
RACING 9.30 AM
PRE 1960 SOLO ALL POWERS
PRE 1975 SOLO 125
PRE 1965 SOLO 250
PRE 1975 SOLO AGE GROUP A/P 60 +
PRE 1965 SOLO 263 AND OVER
PRE 1970 SOLO 250
PRE 1975 SOLO AGE GROUP A/P 30-39
PRE 1975 SOLO 4 STROKE A/P
PRE 1970 SOLO 263 AND OVER
PRE 1975 SOLO 250
PRE 1975 SOLO 263 AND OVER
PRE 1975 SOLO AGE GROUP A/P U30
PRE 1975 SOLO AGE GROUP A/P 50-59
PRE 1975 SOLO AGE GROUP A/P 40-49
PRE 1978 SOLO 125
EVO SOLO 250
PRE 1985 SOLO 263 AND OVER
EVO SOLO 125
LUNCH
PRE 1985 SIDECARS
PRE 1985 SOLO 125
PRE 1978 SOLO 250
EVO SOLO 263 AND OVER
PRE 1985 SOLO 250
PRE 1978 SOLO 263 AND OVER
PRE 1960 SOLO ALL POWERS
PRE 1975 SOLO 125
PRE 1965 SOLO 250
PRE 1975 SOLO AGE GROUP A/P 60 +
PRE 1965 SOLO 263 AND OVER
PRE 1970 SOLO 250
PRE 1975 SOLO AGE GROUP A/P 30-39
PRE 1975 SOLO 4 STROKE A/P
PRE 1970 SOLO 263 AND OVER
PRE 1975 SOLO 250
PRE 1975 SOLO 263 AND OVER
PRE 1975 SOLO AGE GROUP A/P U30
PRE 1975 SOLO AGE GROUP A/P 50-59
PRE 1975 SOLO AGE GROUP A/P 40-49
SUNDAY 11TH APRIL
RIDERS BRIEFING 8.15 AM
PRACTICE 8.30 AM (3 LAPS)
PRE 1960 ? PRE 1975 ODD NUMBERS
PRE 1960 ? PRE 1975 EVEN NUMBERS
PRE 1978 ? PRE 1985 ODD NUMBERS
PRE 1978 ? PRE 1985 EVEN NUMBERS
SIDECARS
RACING 9.30 AM
PRE 1978 SOLO 125
EVO SOLO 250
PRE 1985 SOLO 263 AND OVER
EVO SOLO 125
PRE 1985 SIDECARS
PRE 1985 SOLO 125
PRE 1978 SOLO 250
EVO SOLO 263 AND OVER
PRE 1985 SOLO 250
PRE 1978 SOLO 263 AND OVER
PRE 1960 SOLO ALL POWERS
PRE 1975 SOLO 125
PRE 1965 SOLO 250
PRE 1975 SOLO AGE GROUP A/P 60 +
PRE 1965 SOLO 263 AND OVER
PRE 1970 SOLO 250
PRE 1975 SOLO AGE GROUP A/P 30-39
LUNCH
PRE 1975 SOLO 4 STROKE A/P
PRE 1970 SOLO 263 AND OVER
PRE 1975 SOLO 250
PRE 1975 SOLO 263 AND OVER
PRE 1975 SOLO AGE GROUP A/P U30
PRE 1975 SOLO AGE GROUP A/P 50-59
PRE 1975 SOLO AGE GROUP A/P 40-49
PRE 1978 SOLO 125
EVO SOLO 250
PRE 1985 SOLO 263 AND OVER
EVO SOLO 125
PRE 1985 SIDECARS
PRE 1985 SOLO 125
PRE 1978 SOLO 250
EVO SOLO 263 AND OVER
PRE 1985 SOLO 250
PRE 1978 SOLO 263 AND OVER
INTERSTATE CHALLENGE MOTO 1
INTERSTATE CHALLENGE MOTO 2
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Hi, if any one would like to assist the club in running this event at Broadford this weekend, we still need some helpers.
Two corner marshals for Friday
Two corner marshals for Sunday
Help to run the bar Friday evening, Saturday and Sunday from noon. :P 8)
Food & beverages provided plus a ticket to the presentation dinner on Sunday evening. Camping at the track is ok.
If you or someone you know can assist, please contact Su 0408488353 or Francis 0413 622 079
http://prestonmcc.com.au/index.php?action=recent
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good luck to all riding the nats on the weekend
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Any track issues can be ironed/graded out after today's practice. :-X
Race safe 8)
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practice went well....just starting to rain here now....enjoying some fellowship... ;D
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Give em hell Watto!!!
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practice went well....just starting to rain here now....enjoying some fellowship... ;D
Great stuff...thanks for dropping by from your busy racing schedule :P :-*
Go the Rat Shorts 8)
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Watto - got a spare PVL you can use if need be ;D
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watched some good raceing today
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The Track looks notch. i am heading up tomorrow for an optic myself. hope the rain holds off.
Paul who were the class heat winners today?
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is that Brad 090 on a pre 70 CZ?
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im not sure off the winners it was raining most of the afternoon so i just took a few pic when i could ,and yes it was brad on the cz
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Hey Paul, can you please tell me when you will allow me to take this VMX Magazine out of my arse.. :o ???
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what
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yep its good to have a event that wont be stolen and moved to another state and by the way stick the mag up your arse as well
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take it out when it get uncomfortable ,you might just be enjoying it so leave it in
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Hey Paul, can you please tell me when you will allow me to take this VMX Magazine out of my arse.. :o ???
Forken hell, I hope you didn't use issue #4 :'(
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thanks for the pics Paul.
the track looks frikken awesome!
#192 in the pic above this post is a BMCC memeber Wayne.
he's an old bugger thats just gotten faster with age.
hope he does well cause i know he's been putting in the effort.
cool pics!
keep em coming 8)
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I know a couple of photos don't show the whole story - but it certainly looks vintage friendly?
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yep its good to have a event that wont be stolen and moved to another state and by the way stick the mag up your arse as well
Quote from: E74 on Yesterday at 07:31:42 PM
Hey Paul, can you please tell me when you will allow me to take this VMX Magazine out of my arse..
Forken hell, I hope you didn't use issue #4
Damn it....did I miss something because it was deleted yet again? ??? What's this all about?
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Mark, just another storm in a tea cup.
Track looks like it's has had a few loads of soil put on it ;D and is shaping up well, nice shots coming thru.
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just had an hour of rain..start gates under water..not good for ducks or D9's...
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I'm told there was some fireworks in the pre '85 big bore class, blatant take outs, and some serious agro. Can anyone elaborate?
Cheers,
K
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simon healy and another racer came together and simon took the lead, the the other guy just went straight across the track cut the the corner and t boned him big time and took him out ,then went on to win
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Any idea who's fighting out the pointy end in pre '70 and pre '65 Paul or anyone?
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simon healy and another racer came together and simon took the lead, the the other guy just went straight across the track cut the the corner and t boned him big time and took him out ,then went on to win
usual rubbin's racing by the sounds of it ::)
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Anyone know who the "other racer" is?
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the riders briefing would have been interesting by the sounds of things. Obviously they were told they were racing for sheep stations, and they didn't have to go to work the next day.
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The other racer is Corey Wilson, very handy on a motorcycle. There is some history between the two. Both are friends of mine so it will be interesting to hear both sides.
Cheers,
M.H
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Forken hell, I hope you didn't use issue #4 :'(
:D :D :D
take it out when it get uncomfortable ,you might just be enjoying it so leave it in
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just got in from Broadford, i arrived at 10am and stayed till last race. great days racing and no rain so track dried out nicely.
brad rode well as did many others, Boagy was in every other race for a while there, walter cleaned up sidecar heats today pre 75 250 dominated by Herbert Bros on YZ250a's ( they had one each as well as YZ360A's). a couple of very Quick QLD blokes there too.
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thats bullshit you cant cut the track and take someone out
no matter what happened. He should be disqualified
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http://www.computime.com.au/
RESULTS :P
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Wow crazy times people.... managed a race win over the grand master Dean Burt who thought back side of the berm had better line ...haha WRONG!!!!! Also had inspiration whilst feeling the heat from Vanberslow ;) in moto 3, check it out.... I picked my spot, lay down on the track with the clutch in and an end4end from him later :o I WIN!!! They say the champs always find a way to win ;D OH oh!!! & I smashed the third spot on the podium to pieces YEAH!!!!! ROK & ROLLL !!!!!!! 8)
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please tell me i'm wrong!,
23 class's were not championship races with less than 10 riders, the holy grail state has done piss poor at turning out if thats the case! ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Trev
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the holy grail state has done piss poor at turning out if thats the case!
Trev
This is a new one, and almost a new low, how can Victoria be the sole fault of the low class numbers?
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Rod, are you saying there is only 9 evo 250, 5 pre 85 250 riders in Vic, maybe the 2 events together has not worked , but it looks as though the locals have not got behind the event.
happy to be wrong, Trev
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VIPER Round 1- 28th March
Broadford Bonanza - 4th April
Australian Titles - 11th April
Go figure, if it was an issue (and perhaps it is) then why allow a permit for a state title to go back to back with the other 2 events? For a lot of Vic's it is a matter of priorities and budgets.
Telling us we did a "PISS POOR JOB" is a bit harsh.
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ok Rod, an ordinary turnout in some class's, sorry for using the words piss poor.
Cheers Trev
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Its cool Bahnsy some of us race or help at the races some others grind axes ..... Axe grinding is a sport in .... some parts ;)
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Victoria's arse is itchy.. worms is biting :D
Well done Devilman, how did ya Bro go?
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thats bullshit you cant cut the track and take someone out
no matter what happened. He should be disqualified
I heard that he got a 30 sec. penalty - pretty light.I also heard that he admitted it was a deliberate move! Who knows?
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Rod, are you saying there is only 9 evo 250, 5 pre 85 250 riders in Vic, maybe the 2 events together has not worked , but it looks as though the locals have not got behind the event.
happy to be wrong, Trev
where do you get your figures from? there were 8 vic riders entered in pre 85 250, 3 from nsw 1 from act, none from wa, none from qld,none from sa ,none from tas, none from nz.
Why not comment on the states that had no entries?
Most classe's also had a lot drop out or not start because of the track after the rain .
You had to be there.
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simon PM me
Bill
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Must congratulate the Preston club on a well run event - and Drakie.
If you dont count the rain factor all was real good from what I saw and herd.
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get off ya horses, i went to the link for final results, 5 riders are listed as competing in pre 85 250, 5 starters, come on, i said i hope i was wrong but if the sheets are wrong they should be altered,
can someone say how many National titles have been awarded? and for what class's,
who won the interstate event?
Cheers Trev
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Trev, need to click on the point scoring part, 8 runners?
Still not good for pre 85 (250) but last year in Queensland we thought we would have to run timing for the top 40 and only had 20 entries (shit we get better than that at a club event usually in QLD).
Some people just don't like to run national events, lets face it, some are only there for the club stuff (and that ok to me) and we need that to keep the sport alive.
No use slagging off about it now it has happened and that is it.
I would still like to see them as championship classes as blokes like Brad and Tony (Cavell) and all the others, travel a long way to support the sport year in year out.
Personally the photos (as far as I can see) so far seem to show a top track and a great venue held by a long standing club so what have they done wrong??
What should we pay people to turn up??
Oh and Devilman Worms was the main man behind the Queensland nationals last year so I don't think he has an axe to grind.
P.S. Congrats to all the winners on the day, see the QLD boys got up in the challenge ;)
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no matter what happened. He should be disqualified
I think he was from that class (rightfully so). Should have been from the meeting.....
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ok, ok i'm sorry for using piss poor and Vic's in the same sentence, I love Broadford as a venue, the track looked shit hot, the Preston club is a great Victorian club, MA, well is MA,so i asked the question why so poor entries, DONT WORRY, I will go shove my head in the sand or up my arse as some emails to me suggest, and leave the powers to be to rave on and the gods of our sport to pat themselves on their backs. my only future posts will be for the ride for Magoo.
congratulations to the winners and grinners
Cheers Trev, the dumb arse bastard who's done nothing for the sport, how dare i have an opinion so soon! Worms
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There's too many classes and not enough races.
One bad race and you're out of it.
Too much sitting around.
Races are too short (for the later model bikes)
Time to split 'em up...... ;)
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get off ya horses, i went to the link for final results, 5 riders are listed as competing in pre 85 250, 5 starters, come on, i said i hope i was wrong but if the sheets are wrong they should be altered,
can someone say how many National titles have been awarded? and for what class's,
who won the interstate event?
Cheers Trev
5 starters in the last moto doesn't mean 5 entries for the class.You would have to ask the individual riders as to who broke, crashed or couldn't handle the track and didnt line up.Same goe's for every class.
No horse here the first round of Viper had bigger line ups in some class's. Wonder why?
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It was a good event, end of story.
The track changed remarkably over the weekend - Friday was like last weekend, Saturday morning was similar but better, Saturday arvo after the rain was slick, Sunday morning after the rain was sloppy, and Sunday arvo was very good (although predictably chopped up by then). And my concerns about the track watering after HBBB were... washed away by nature's track watering! At least it was something that nobody had any control over, rather than well-intentioned actions.
Personally, I had a mixed weekend, but greatly enjoyed it.
My hastily cobbled together, POS Evo bike suffered a couple of failures, the last of which was a blocked fuel tap (WTF?!). Its a YZ125E with a longer shock and 125G forks jammed in - and it actually works really well, despite my fears that it would handle like a pig. In the one race where I completed more than half a lap on it, I was actually able to chase down a few of the newer Evo bikes and at least one pre-85 bike.
The newly completed MX250 was a model of reliability, although the rubbish shocks hurt it, and I was very timid on it (particularly in the slop). In the drying conditions on Sunday arvo, I started searching for the limits and got a lot more competitive.
That left the pre-78 125. On Saturday, I managed a surprising (albeit distant) 4th place and actually overtook Snowy76 for the first time ever (passing him while he's crashed doesn't count - that's happened plenty of times!). After a brief look at the track on Sunday morning(before the Evo bike died again! :D ), I decided to ride to survive and maybe try to beat Snowy and Davey Crocket - the three fast guys could go and do their own thing in the mud.
That went pretty much to plan - I finished an even more distant 4th place.
Into the final race, the only hope was that 090, Luke or Nick would DNF and I could Bradbury a 3rd overall.
It didn't work like that.... My gearbox jammed in neutral and I couldn't recatch John, and ended up 5th in that race and 4th overall. And the gearbox makes some awful growling noises now, so it needs the cases split. :'(
I was on the ACT team for the interstate challenge - listening to the names of the other riders in the race was more than a little intimidating! Of the 21 riders (three riders each, from ACT, Qld, NSW, SA, Tas, Vic and WA*), my name was one of six that I didn't recognise as being a 'name' VMX rider - and the other 'unknowns' were mostly known to be faster than me and/or also on the ACT team!
So my goals were to beat Freaky and not humiliate myself - and while I never threatened for the lead, I think I managed my goals. :) I also realised that I was on the pace in a lot of sections of track, and even faster than some of the good guys in some sections - but that I was burning time in other sections... At the least, it makes it clear what I've got to work on!
The downside of riding in the insterstate challenge was not getting to watch what happened at the front!
Despite the pre-event conspiracy theories and the bitching, it was a well run race meet that (AFAIK) resulted in no protests and no injuries. Apart from mechanical issues, I think that all of the winners were deserving winners, and you can't really ask for more than that.
Other points that spring to mind:
Dean Burt's mechanical DNF in the second Evo big bore race, while leading comfortably. 1st, DNF, 1st left him with 4th(?) overall which must have been a bitter pill for him to swallow.
Gary Jones is a really nice bloke. And yes, he can still ride!
The Smith boys on the Elsinores are awesome to watch. Ditto the Herbert brothers on the YZ-As (thanks MM).
My travelling buddy Donny had a lousy weekend racing-wise - missing races, getting stuck on hills in the slop, etc. But his help was greatly appreciated - to the point that I warned him that, in the future, he might get dragged along as team manager/pit bitch whether he likes it or not!
I realised that I am yet to meet a genuine dickhead through old dirt bikes. Sure, there's plenty of unusual personalities, but no real dickheads - and the vast majority are good, friendly people who are happy to help out and expect nothing in return. We should never lose sight of that!
Never play poker with Dave Tanner, the bastard. :D
*There a few some ring-ins! SA had Boagy, NSW had Gary Jones, and there were at least a couple of post-74 bikes out there.... :D By my reckoning, the ACT team's bent the rules the least of the rule benders. :D
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excellent post Nathan.
thanks for the story as it sheds the light as to what really went on at ground level.
did you get your parts ok?
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Yes, thanks. :)
And thanks to Brad for bringing them down.
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Yep Nathan,as someone who was'nt there that's exactly the kind of info I needed.Sounds like you had a great event.
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It didn't work like that.... My gearbox jammed in neutral and I couldn't recatch John, and ended up 5th in that race and 4th overall. And the gearbox makes some awful growling noises now, so it needs the cases split. :'(
The downside of riding in the insterstate challenge was not getting to watch what happened at the front!
Yer that was a great 2 moto's with most the best riders of the weekend on the track at once
Other points that spring to mind:
Dean Burt's mechanical DNF in the second Evo big bore race, while leading comfortably. 1st, DNF, 1st left him with 4th(?) overall which must have been a bitter pill for him to swallow.
Gary Jones is a really nice bloke. And yes, he can still ride!
The Smith boys on the Elsinores are awesome to watch. Ditto the brothers on the YZ-As (sorry, names escape me right now).
The Herberts
My travelling buddy Donny had a lousy weekend racing-wise - missing races, getting stuck on hills in the slop, etc. But his help was greatly appreciated - to the point that I warned him that, in the future, he might get dragged along as team manager/pit bitch whether he likes it or not!
I realised that I am yet to meet a genuine dickhead through old dirt bikes. Sure, there's plenty of unusual personalities, but no real dickheads - and the vast majority are good, friendly people who are happy to help out and expect nothing in return. We should never lose sight of that!
Never play poker with Dave Tanner, the bastard. :D
*There a few some ring-ins! SA had Boagy, NSW had Gary Jones, and there were at least a couple of post-74 bikes out there.... :D By my reckoning, the ACT team's bent the rules the least of the rule benders. :D
Tthere were a few Victorians in other teams to make up the numbers as well
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Did the obviously wrong Moto1 lap time for S1 (Boagy?) alter the results of the interstate challenge?
Alternatively, if its not wrong, can I sponsor him!?
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;D ;D I roped in Boagy and Big J herbie for the SA team :O)
overall for what its worth the Track was not freindly, rain sucked, so did the mud, slush and clay nevermind the footy sized mud balls, other wise was fun ...... i think :-\.
Big shout out 's to HIlly for making me some foot pegs up on the sat, after i found out rubber RT1 pegs and knee deep mud means you wont be standing on them for too long.
shout outs to Brad for the lend of what ever it was i kept borrowing, John tate cause he kept telling me to wash my bike, and dAVE " GELIGNITE" Tanner for his camp fire tales and track photography ... :-*
and cheerio's to all the guys on the forums that came up and said hi too !!! ;)\
Yes nathan after slopping through the mud all weekend i was struggling and to keep a bike running :-\, in at least one State race in 'S2', i did chase a GReen "A1" up the hill, if that was you, well done you bastard ;D.
i thought the Moto was the best the track looked all weekend - sun came out ::) and probally was the best racing too.
1 S1 / SA
2 Q1 / QLD
3 V1 / VIC
4 N2 / NSW
5 Q3 / QLD
6 V2 / VIC
7 V3 / VIC
8 W1 / WA
9 A1 / ACT
10 N3 / NSW
11 S2 / SA
12 S3 / SA
13 A2 / ACT
14 W2 / WA
15 T1 / TAS
16 N1 / NSW
17 Q2 / QLD
18 A3 / ACT
19 W3 / WA
20 T3 / TAS
21 T2 / TAS
And NAth the interstate challenge was based on points not times ...... so we still came second :-
I was packing the van up at presentations , did they mention it or hand out any prize T - shirts for it ;) or did it just go to shit and classed as a fun event ?
*Pos Name Total
1 QLD 92
2 SA 84
3 VIC 82
4 NSW 71
5 ACT 50
6 WA 37
7 TAS 23
Alos missed out on whoever had set up Photos stuff for sale.... does anyone have links or details to who that was ? i never got up to the office place before they left :-[
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One of the sunday pre 85 250 wimps too tough for me :-\. Hats off to the guys that rode sunday morning. Some great raceing to watch given the track condition. Great weekend though! Some photos i hope you enjoy. Mark.
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Thanks heeps MC61-do you want copyright on those pics ? they could end up anywhere ?
Good lookin team ;D
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Where's Bill and why is Brian looking nervously off to his right???
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Does anybody know where there would be some overall results posted
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Great weekend though! Some photos i hope you enjoy. Mark.
http://s774.photobucket.com/albums/yy29/mark1961/The%20NATS/
Thanks heaps for the super-flattering photo - that's me trying (unsucessfully) for get around the two Huskies. I had the speed and the line, but #69 ran me wide and it didn't work out like I had hoped. :)
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Well they have been run & Won .It was a great event and i'm glad i rode in it .It was good to catch up with everyone and fling mud at them ,the track was challenging and changing all weekend .I also dropped out of the pre85 250 after 1 round to concentrate on not crashing my YZ in Evo open .While you could hardly call what i was doing racing i survived and finished my races and made it home in one piece. Luved it thanks to everyone involved in running the event . Hilly.
thanks for pics Mark .
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Thanks Tony ,Hope to get up there for CD7 ,Dodgee promised me something to ride but i'm worried about the colour .!!!
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You know we are going to make you stay in a separate camp if you ride the yellow peril :o :o. I'm sure there will be heaps of white ones for you to ride ;)
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Victoria's arse is itchy.. worms is biting :D
Well done Devilman, how did ya Bro go?
he done good..... 2silver for 'Full Factory' Smith. We're stoked at the 1-2 for Team Tatters in Solo pre75 125.... Weekend Highlight for all 3 of us
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Click on the bottom one ?
Here's a video of John Selve roosting the crowd at the top of the hill with his Triumph Metisse 750[URL=http://s204.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/yzhilly/?action=view¤t=JohnSelvaroostingtriumph.flv](http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/yzhilly/th_JohnSelvaroostingtriumph.jpg)] (http://[/url)(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/yzhilly/th_JohnSelvaroostingtriumph.jpg) (http://s204.photobucket.com/albums/bb130/yzhilly/?action=view¤t=JohnSelvaroostingtriumph.flv)
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Never mentioned anything about worms STWya but thumbs up for Connondale in 09.. great job worms..... worst weekend of my life in history-ever >:( but that was all my own doing so worms is free to go ;D
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Sorry then Devilman it was just that your post was after Trev's post so I was jumping the gun then ;).
Worst weekend of your life, please expand on this, what happened??
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Finally got back from the return trip from hell (24hrs). Also good to get my shorts, t-shirt and thongs on.
I didn't enjoy the wet conditions at all and was survival time for me. The second half of Sunday was when I had the best time when the track was drier and rough.
It was unfortunate that the numbers were way down, as the racing wasn't as interesting and the atmosphere wasn't as good. But hey, a day racing vintage is always a good day.
Here is a pic of a couple of winners if you've ever seen one.
Bertie aka Dad and Wayne aka Dodgey.
The only time dad is taller than somebody!
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Just about to pack up.
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Hell Brad that last photo you must of gone super fast your bikes are as clean as for riding in mud conditions, ;D
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They have a full-on wash bay set up there with 4 pressure washers on a double sided concrete wash stand that could take all those bikes in a line and someone could walk up and down blowing mud from there to hell and back.
They must get a few wet meetings there for them to have such a set up though from what I've heard we had the wettest weekend in 5 or 6 years.
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Sorry then Devilman it was just that your post was after Trev's post so I was jumping the gun then ;).
Worst weekend of your life, please expand on this, what happened??
Yeah look... m dad, m brother & I drove up from vic with 5 bikes entered in mass classes & I smack a rock in practice on an up ramp, spit myself off the top & sat around all weekend with wrecked bits & concusion.... couldn't even have sipps coz I fealt so poorly...... vomit & head achs on sunday for no reason. ...... other than brain damage... I mean more brain damage.... worst weekend of my life like I said .... :'(
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Brad Vanber'slow!!!!..... (090) How many medals ???? Dude U really need to relax & let other folk have a chance.... I mean come on. ;D
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Here is a pic of a couple of winners if you've ever seen one.
Bertie aka Dad and Wayne aka Dodgey.
I would have liked to see a pic where one of them had the big orange winners hat on
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Brad Vanber'slow!!!!..... (090) How many medals ???? Dude U really need to relax & let other folk have a chance.... I mean come on. ;D
Hey bud! Got to take 'em while you can.
You can talk. Lord of the flies (all things small bore).
Pre '78 125, till next year...round 2, ding ding :-*
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Brad
A big well done to you and all the Queensland boys who ventured to the chilly climes on the weekend, by the looks it was hard going but looks like you and JT (aka Davey Crocket) weathered the weather and soggy stuff to produce a few well fought out results. We were all keeping a keen eye on the forum for up to the minute happenings and results.
In fact, a big well done to all particpants and organisers of the event.
pmc57
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Hey Guy's :-)
Thanks for putting on a great show at Broadford, I got roped-in as a commentator for the weekend, my roadrace club (Preston) was asked by MA to run the event at the last minute because apparently some other clubs backed-out. So all the workers for the 3 days are roads racers and were all a little vague how things operated.
They are hoping that you guy's will return the favour and come help at a roadrace ;-)
Because I'd raced MX in the 70's & 80's and did a stint at Trail & Track Magazine in the mid 80's, the club railroaded me into commentary, I would have been lost without Peter Drakeford's help. Appologies to the guy's who's names I got wrong, especially Arno Franz, they had you name around the wrong way on the time sheets, I wasn't to know any different..... oops.
Now I have the classic MX bug..... real bad! (thanks!) I think I need an RM250B now ;-)
John Orchard
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Even some more photos from the Nats (Sunday) ::)
http://s570.photobucket.com/albums/ss141/vmx-photo/
Congrats to Preston MCC and all those who put in a lot of effort to make it happen.
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Brad Vanber'slow!!!!..... (090) How many medals ???? Dude U really need to relax & let other folk have a chance.... I mean come on. ;D
Hey bud! Got to take 'em while you can.
You can talk. Lord of the flies (all things small bore).
Pre '78 125, till next year...round 2, ding ding :-*
Haha I can't believe U finished as strong as U started... me & bro were impressed. Hopefully next year bro has pre 78 125 weaponry too.... so U better bring back up ;D
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Congrats to Drakie and the Preston club for a hard job well done, a few little niggles to sort but a great show overall.
I too also decided that the even more mud and bumps on Sunday weren't going to be good for my health, after sliding off the track on a downhill and nearly hitting a tree on Saturday. My fault but hey, gotta give it a go!
So watching the guys who were racing sunday was inspiring, and man some of the front runners really can peddle super fast, even in rough rutted slippery mud.
I dont what I expected, but Gary Jones was impressive, just got faster and stronger all weekend. He figured in most of the lead battles, and was banging bars with lots of guys.
Besides him, and Jimmy Ellis, other racers who impressed were Andrew Bailey, Henry Leatham, Tony Cavell, BAd Brad VanBarrelo, Boagy, the Smiths and Herberts.
Who else do you nominate? Add to the list.
Macca
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Results on line today
http://www.ma.org.au/index.php?id=527
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You wouldnt believe it, but the weather forecast for this weekend, fine, cant help bad luck sometimes can you ;D ;D ;D ;D
Mr Maico #54
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A fine sunday morning it sure wasn't.
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Did we ever get links to the GUys who were taking photos and selling them ? i was packin gup and never found out who it was selling them in the club house... did anyone get a name or card >
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Go to
KTJ images on FaceBook
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What about all the other snapper out there ? GMC what have you got tucked away ? love a piccy of the state moto line up ???
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They have a full-on wash bay set up there with 4 pressure washers on a double sided concrete wash stand that could take all those bikes in a line and someone could walk up and down blowing mud from there to hell and back.
They must get a few wet meetings there for them to have such a set up though from what I've heard we had the wettest weekend in 5 or 6 years.
Weren't they put in for the mx gp's demands?
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Most likely Tony27, I see that GP's mmust have a hard stand pits area even though most race teams now have their own fold-out patio work area on the side of their transporters!!
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A new class this year was the Trailbike class.
Some say you needed an Enduro bike to get around, but we all know those MX Guys are wooses ;D
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Panning with a slow shutter speed can blur the background and make the rider look fast.
But thier was nothing I could do to make this one look fast
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Yes Andrew, I'm taking a photo of you, maybe next lap ay ;D
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