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Marque Remarks => British (BSA, Greeves, Triumph etc) => Topic started by: VMX247 on August 19, 2011, 09:16:01 PM
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With the upcoming Annual Dan Ferguson Millfarm at Wandering in Western Australia,CCMs' 40th Birthday and a last practise run before the Classic Nationals in SA...
The antisipation is up there with the high shine JBR fuel tank at a UK Sunday show... :P ;D
I'm wondering what your thoughts on the Best of British from back in the day are in 2011 ?
cheers A
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Cmon Alison you get 4 years for inciting a riot on social media in the UK.
Of course it is Cheney BSA .... still dominating pre 65 in the UK
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mmmm....even the short welds are pretty neat, just like a Hagon ;) ;D
What about a gentlemans Greeve's,FB-AJS,or Alpha only nine ever manufactured :o
New on the WA scene a cruzy little Dalesman 8)
Our Best of British that has passed through the shed door - one of two Norton's.
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Cmon Ali you are just tweaking my nipples with the Norton..... it has an extra growth out the side of it.
This for me is the high water market for British bikes, god knows I love my Ricky's but Jupiter aligned with Mars with the Cheney twin.... just forget Catalina's and Tr6 desert sleds.... nothing on Eric's master piece that shouldn't be there/
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don't know too much about Brit bikes but starting to read more.4 stroke seems to be anything using a BSA b50 motor.2 stroke from what I've seen late 60s Greeves 250 (with the ceriani forks),using their own engines.
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nothing on Eric's master piece that shouldn't be there/
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Agreed.
1st choice would be a JBR Honda, preferably one of Rod Spry's builds.
2nd, a '78 CCM
3rd, the little beauty in the picture :)
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What about this little beauty out of the UK :P builder says
"he rates Rickman Metisse in all forms as his favourite machine"
and the frame idea's ;D :P www.joemaxwell-engineering.com via Alan Clews CCM
We could we make some changes to dirt ;) ;D
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Ouch, my eyes :o :o :o that thing is FUGLY!
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expand your imagination ;D ..I did say we could make some dirt changes :P ;D ;)
cheers A
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I'm with Cranky...that's the ugliest Metisse I've seen in ages.
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Is that the new Dirt Chopper model??
Fugley is a good word that springs to mind. :D
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I can't read the small print but perhaps it might be one of the long awaited Chinese offerings from our old mate?
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I can't read the small print but perhaps it might be one of the long awaited Chinese offerings from our old mate?
:D .....blasphemy..its true British ;D all UK made ;)
cheers A
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.....blasphemy..its true British all UK made
And still bloody awful ::)
But old Eric Cheney knew the perfect combination of form and function.
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Watsonian Squire Ltd 70 Northwick business centre Ph 01300 700907
From what I can make out from add .
http://www.watsonian-squire.com/
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http://www.watsonian-squire.com/
ahh the preserved meat company hey !! Pom's love Pork Pies ;D
two more
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WTF ......they are obviously BSAs ....not Indians??!!
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.....blasphemy..its true British all UK made
And still bloody awful ::)
But old Eric Cheney knew the perfect combination of form and function.
Beautiful :o
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WTF ......they are obviously BSAs ....not Indians??!!
Indians indeed.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D well done EML
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two more
That's better Ali.....that's one of the nicest Metisses I've seen. Much nicer than those awful bloody Steve McQueen replicas. Jerry Lisi is milking everything he can out of Derek and Dons (and Pat French's) legacy. Here's one of the last Pat French Metisses....Frank's Manx.
If you think Franks street legal Manx Norton Metisse is cool, wait until you see his new Matchless G80 Harris replica Mojo pre 65 racer. It's a veritible work of art.
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Better.
Although the exhaust lines leave a little to be desired. At least the engine is at the right inclination.
Fuel tank is a little tall though, IMHO.
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The Manx motor only belongs in one place, sorry but that street Ricky is ugly with the hideous tank, revolting exhaust and $10 tail light and to top it off anodized oil lines
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The Manx motor only belongs in one place, sorry but that street Ricky is ugly with the hideous tank, revolting exhaust and $10 tail light and to top it off anodized oil lines
Marc to be fair we have seen your taste in swinging arms ::)
I love the look of Franks Rickman :) it is even sweeter in the flesh, and you know it was built properly :)
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Marc to be fair we have seen your taste in swinging arms ::)
You right who am I to bag off on another persons bike, maybe it is the photo is squashed and I am jealous of not having that motor.....anyway Swingarm of the Gods bike has gone to another NZ enthusiast. ;D
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Jeezus mArc.......bet there aint no mirrors in your house. ;D
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The Manx motor only belongs in one place, sorry but that street Ricky is ugly with the hideous tank, revolting exhaust and $10 tail light and to top it off anodized oil lines
Jeez Marc, that's more than a bit harsh. I agree that the tank is a tad lumpy but because the Manx engine is a bit thirsty and wanting to take the bike on rallys Frank ordered a larger tank from Pat French. The extra volume is lumped on top giving it the bulbous look. He's got a standard black 'glass item that does look more at home but the alloy job doesn 't look near as bad in real life, as anyone who's seen it will attest. As far as the exhaust goes, I don't know what's so "revolting" about it. I like the little squiggle over the footpeg, which was done to allow the footpeg to be removed without having to remove the pipe. The muffler was fitted to pass noise emissions....remember, this bike has full rego. As far as the $10 tail light, that's the standard street Metisse kit item which cost a fair bit more than 10 bucks.
This bike was originally built as an all out racer for the pre 65 class but a life threatening bout of cancer and being 74 years old convinced him that the bike would be better used on the street. The engineering in the bike is amazing with Frank making the cylinder from billet, the complete gearbox, the rockers, con rod and numerous other parts....all in his little single car sized shed.
And as far as the engine belonging only in a Manx road racer, that's like saying that every Triumph motor should remain in a Bonny or every Chevy still live under the bonnet of some old Impala.....but not to worry, Frank has a genuine ex works 500 sitting proudly in his family room and there's enough parts in the shed to build another if he ever feels the urge. Right at this moment he has a rare magnesium works engine on his bench being rebuilt for the Hinton family collection. The motor in the Metisse was built from an engine that was blown up in the sixties and had been sitting under his bench just waiting for its day.
I'll always go to Franks defence as he's one of the nicest, most knowledgable and enthusiastic blokes I know. He's one of those old school engineering genius's that don't seem to exist any more. Even in his twilight years he builds a new bike per year purely because he loves the challenge, I wonder how many of us will be doing the same at his age?
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I saw Frank’s project “X” G80 CS last Saturday, it is seriously a work of engineering art, so many parts are handmade like the close ratio gearbox, all handmade gears. Frank is a GENIUS with his hands, so much knowledge and experience. No Photos allowed till its finished ;)
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Whew maybe I shot from the hip, my apology to Frank et al.... it was green eyed jealousy of not having access to that engine your honor. I would still like to see it with the smaller tank and high side pipe. :-[
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There was no better sounding bike at Diamond Dons this year than this one
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There was no better sounding bike at Diamond Dons this year than this one
Now that what I call an exhaust system. ;D
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Then there was this one at DD's
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this bike has always intrigued me..... if you want the ultimate B50 powered racer
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While all of this shiny British stuff is getting a run, why not an encore from my favourite Cheney Triumph
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And in a bit of self indulgence, my own two stroke version.
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love the top one Firko one of my all time favorites....... I did my Cheney pretty close to those colors/ we used the colors off the side cover
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I tossed up as to whether I should re-anodize my tank the original red but decided that because it'd flawlessly been repaired by GMC I was told by a number of different people, including my usual anodizer that the different alloy content of the weld material could cause the anodizing to show up a slightly different colour where it had been repaired. I went for the polished look instead.
Because the tank is as rare as shite I couldn't stand it being damaged so for racing I'm going to use a fibreglass BSA B44GP replica tank (currently being lined and methanol proofed by Matcho Mick Jones) which I've decided to paint candy apple red to match as close as possible the original anodized red.
I prefer my seat over that on the red Triumph. It's a bit like me....too fat ;D.
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Because the tank is as rare as shite I couldn't stand it being damaged so for racing I'm going to use a fibreglass BSA B44GP replica tank (currently being lined and methanol proofed by Matcho Mick Jones) which I've decided to paint candy apple red to match as close as possible the original anodized red.
Firko, why not get one of these from Terry? http://www.terryweedy.com/tanks.html
If you're running methanol, you should really go alloy.
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currently being lined and methanol proofed by Matcho Mick Jones
Didn't he play lead guitar in the Sex Pistols ???
No freaking chance of getting color matched anodizing in Unzud .... you can get a list of excuses as to why it F^%ked up as long as your arm. We went 2 pack, Mike sprayed it up mint , it is a Peugeot color
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No freaking chance of getting color matched anodizing in Unzud .... you can get a list of excuses as to why it F^%ked up as long as your arm. We went 2 pack, Mike sprayed it up mint , it is a Peugeot color
Likewise in the UK mate, especially if the item has been repaired in any way, even just knocking dents out ???
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Firko, why not get one of these from Terry? http://www.terryweedy.com/tanks.html
It's tempting, the prices are pretty reasonable as well. I actually made a typo when I wrote methanol.
I mean't ethanol so the fibreglass will do....If it gets trashed I won't dive into tears of anguish.
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Firko, why not get one of these from Terry? http://www.terryweedy.com/tanks.html
It's tempting, the prices are pretty reasonable as well. I actually made a typo when I wrote methanol.
I mean't ethanol so the fibreglass will do....If it gets trashed I won't dive into tears of anguish.
Still, Ethanol eats away at the glass and turns it into syrup. Blocks yer carby and generally feks things up. Dig deep ya tight bugger ;D
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Likewise in the UK mate, especially if the item has been repaired in any way, even just knocking dents out ???
With the various 2 pack paints being tough as shit there is probably no good reason to anodise except originality. It was one of Eric's quirks which is kind of nice to replicate. I am using B50 tank so it is not crazy original.
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Keen to get this motor finished and in the Cheney, it has PES clutch and gearbox mainshaft and B50 liner and 10:1 piston. Just chasing Carillo rod and will do crank rebuild.
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Still, Ethanol eats away at the glass and turns it into syrup. Blocks yer carby and generally feks things up. Dig deep ya tight bugger
That's why I'm getting Matcho Mick to treat three 'glass tanks with that coating shit (Kreem or whatever he uses) for me Cranky. ;)
I'd have done it myself but after Jonesy's disaster with his little Honda Metisse where the coating didn't......errr,coat properly and the methanol ate through the glass and his hi-zoot candy purple paint, I figured I'd get a professional 'glass man to do it. As far as using another alloy tank, I've got a B44GP tank which looks OK on the bike, if a tad short. I do like Terry Weedy's work though, so who knows what might evolve in the new year. 8)
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One to drool over at Christmas,while the others drool over a turkey leg :P
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When I retire, I'm coming to you house for a visit and i'll just sit and read-for the rest of my life-by the size of your book collection. :D :D :D 8)
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I do like Terry Weedy's work though, so who knows what might evolve in the new year. 8)
Good quality at the right price. Why not...
When I retire, I'm coming to you house for a visit and i'll just sit and read-for the rest of my life-by the size of your book collection. :D :D :D 8)
I'll be in the queue with you 8)
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Hope to be posting some images of the new JBR's soon Ali. Can't wait ;D
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Any better pictures of the Curtis? Was your hand shaking with excitment when you took them....?
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Taken with my phone Ben :-[
I'll remember my camera on Friday ;)
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Is that Bilbo or Frodo with the Honda
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mmm , No.
That'll be Rod Spry. Guilty of building some of the most beautiful bikes ever!
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That'll be Rod Spry. Guilty of building some of the most beautiful bikes ever!
I just expected him to be taller. ;D I do like his TT500 rocker oil line modification.
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quote:After a ten year shed rest,dug the old BB 500 Goldstar out and started second kick.
A pair of folding foot rests on and she'll be ready for "pre 65" 2013 season. 8)
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That is a stunning looking bike.
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:After a ten year shed rest,dug the old BB 500 Goldstar out and started second kick.
A pair of folding foot rests on and she'll be ready for "pre 65" 2013 season.
Beautiful! Unless I'm mistaken I reckon it'd slot right into pre 60. Is it yours Alison?
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Is it yours ?
No ~ It's a continual fight of persuasion to have a collection like this city dweller ;D
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VMX247 do you have any more pictures of the BB's footpeg set up?
I have a '52 ZB33 in a '49 rigid frame which I'm setting up for dirt track, a friend gave me some CRF450 footpegs but i haven't got far enough through the build to figure out how I'm going to set them up on the bike.
how is the rhs peg mounted to the primary? and i like the lhs side set up with the plate mounted off the gearbox cover.
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VMX247 do you have any more pictures of the BB's footpeg set up?
how is the rhs peg mounted to the primary? and i like the lhs side set up with the plate mounted off the gearbox cover.
Quote:I had a good friend weld the alloy block on to the primary chaincase and then drilled and tapped the case to take a triangular plate that I had welded the footrest to, and bolted it on. The gearbox footrest is mounted on a plate that is again spaced away from the box with three distance pieces having a female thread at the mounting to the gearbox studs and a male thread to mount the footrest plate on.
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excellent! thank you very much!
My bike is a bit earlier and has the terrible pressed steel primary cases so I'll have to invent a different solution for mounting the LHS peg but should be able to copy the RHS design set up off the gearbox cover easily enough.
regards,
Nick
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Engineer and extend the RHS alloy to reach under the crankcases , utilizing the frame for extra mountings and come up on the LHS. Make a few attempts/templates out of cheap steel or alloy to get the feel and remember lots and lots of foot peg setups do just what I have suggested. Cheers Tim754
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quote:The engine that I have in the Tribsa was bought in 1969 for 25 pounds and I used it in my sand racer in England before selling the sand racer rolling chassis and bringing the engine down here when we emigrated. The frame was bought down here in West Aust for 35 dollars and I bought the rest wheels and forks off Evilbay.
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That bike looks so cool 8) what frame is it ? I have a BSA star fire frame that looks just like that one but with out the oil in the frame. Jimson
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That bike looks so cool 8) what frame is it ? I have a BSA star fire frame that looks just like that one but with out the oil in the frame. Jimson
Hey there Jimson from a West Aussie vmxer.cheers A
Quote: Its a BSA B44 frame that I converted into oil in the frame using the top tube and making a GP Victor type oil tank that sits in between the frame below the airbox. I also machined up an oil filter housing to take a car type spin on filter to give it a bit more oil capacity.
I had to spread the lower frame rails to allow the Triumph motor to sit in nicely.
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Thanks Alison have you any more pics of the bike? does he know the weight of the engine? My frame looks the same but my engine choice will be a little different :-\ jimson
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? does he know the weight of the engine?
quote: I would think its about 40 kilo but thats only a guess.cheers west aussie's
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it's nice to see you used a bit of Matchless on the build too 8),i likee ;D, :P
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This is a sweet little TriBSA, clean and neat. It's a pity it's stuck in the pre 70 class when in everything but it's birthday it's a pre 65 bike. I'm using the same engine but it's going into a BSA C15 frame which slots it into the pre 60 class.
it's nice to see you used a bit of Matchless on the build too
I give up Mick.....where's the Matchy bit? ???
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oops, another senior moment i'm afraid Firko ;D,(GP250 s.cvrs ;)), :P
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oops, another senior moment i'm afraid Firko ,(GP250 s.cvrs ),
You wait until you're as old as me bucko!.......I wasn't aware what they were, rather than a senior moment! ;D
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I gather that's code for sidecovers Mick?
I like the shape of them, do you make them?
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I gather that's code for sidecovers Mick?
I like the shape of them, do you make them?
yep,but had trip to chookshed (memory check) to see what my G85CS ones looked like, ::),hence my earlier confusion Firko ;D, :P
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Flowerpot Ben sent me this photo asking "How about some fun. Do you know why this building is significant?" I've got an idea but do any of you know?
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was that Rickmans first shop
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Original Rickman workshop ?
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I think it might be where Firko and Bindy first did the love thing
But its probably something boreing like rickmans old shop
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I can't really remember but if it is i used to be fed marmite sandwiches by Don while I was there with my dad
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It's now up to Ben to put us out of our misery ;D But I agree....the original Rickman retail shop and factory.
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i can tell you its not the current rickman workshop as i have been there.its on a hill in stroud uk
not far from bristoll or the antig workshop in gloucester.been there as well its still the original that daves dad started and stll full of the old machines to make parts.
jim
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Well done everyone. Marmite sandwiches all round!
The picture is of where it all began in New Milton and the picture taken a week or two ago.
Technically I guess like all start ups it was at home first in the garage / shed, but this was indeed the first Rickman Head Quarters.
All the magic started in that very building.
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20 British bikes entered for the 2013 Nats with several more known to be coming.
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76 Rickman Honda XL poster on ebay. There's a larger poster version also from the same place.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1976-Rickman-Enduro-Motorcycle-Factory-Photo-u8475-H1FEH3-/350864805471?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51b12c0e5f
Only ever seen 1 other pic of this Rickman. Only Rickman I know of that had LTR suspension
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This one's for sale on VFT.....most probably a Rickman Monty with the bottom cradle cut out......I don't know how he got the Mk3 tank to fit without making up a whole new tank base....big job. The factory bike JC listed is s newie on me, possibly a case of too little, too late.
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That bloke could never afford something like that.
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I'm looking for someone to ride my Metisse next year.....I wonder if he'd be interested, if I paid his air fare and organised my Aunty Judith to look after his kid?
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Firko if your aunt can look after the kid
I will take one for the team and look after Kate
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Firko if your aunt can look after the kid
I will take one for the team and look after Kate
Mike is there nothing you would do for a fellow VMXer :D
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Princess Kate oiling up for Mikey.........
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I thought Buckingham Palace would have bigger knockers than that. :o
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Nice bike apart from the gold wheels....
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Nice bike apart from the gold wheels....
Not the same without "mudcatchers" but better than the black ones everything seems to get theses days.
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We say farewell to Alan Clews today.
Surely the Best of British in the era of our sport.